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jordanlund ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

While Havana Syndrome is real, to my knowledge it’s not that refined. It should have impacted everyone in the room, Trump and the moderators included.

The known reports of the syndrome occupied entire floors of buildings. The idea that someone could use it and just target one guy is a little out there.

andrew_bidlaw ,

If he had some metal in him, that could make him more perceptive of microwaves. Dark Brandon T-100 confirmed?

Thorry84 ,

Is Havana Syndrome real? I thought there was like 0 evidence for it and it being a form of hysteria.

jordanlund ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

The work done on it has been fascinating. You’d think if it were simple hysteria there would be outbreaks among the civilian population, but it’s always government employees.

time.com/6962399/havana-syndrome-russia-u-s/

CaptainSpaceman ,

Another source for those interested:

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55203844

notanaltaccount ,

Why is this shocking? Havana Syndrome is blatantly real.

Seems possible.

jeffw OP ,
@jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

Havana Syndrome is complicated and not well understood. It doesn’t happen randomly though. The best working theory was that it happened due to phones or other similar on-ear devices. It’s not space lasers or random shit like that

notanaltaccount ,

What is your proof that it’s not space lasers?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Hi. Jew here. We use our space lasers to start forest fires like Marjorie Taylor-Greene told you. Do keep up.

notanaltaccount ,

I’ve never listened to Marjorie Taylor-Greene.

Although I know there are racist conspiracy theories, it doesn’t mean all conspiracy theories are racist.

You have to get past the racism and flat-earthers to get to the REAL good conspiracy theories. Some of them end of being false, but some seem to be true. Either way they become more interesting.

Any Havanna Syndrome inflicted on Biden would likely be done by Russia and would be unrelated to Jewish people. Russia is the one with the most to gain from Biden losing, especially since the conspiracy theory is Trump is a Russian agent.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You do know that’s where the idea of space lasers comes from, right? She said Jews use them to start forest fires.

notanaltaccount ,

Sorry, I was being sarcastic and joking and didn’t realize the phrase was highly connected recently with a right-wing racist piece of trash. I try to ignore what she says because she’s such an idiot and so no, I didn’t get it.

CaptainSpaceman ,

Whats your source on the phones/ear pieces? Ive read its directed microwaves most likely

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55203844

jeffw OP ,
@jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

Man, I swear I heard it. Probably on NPR. I can’t find it per se but I did find that it could come from devices concealed inside standard electronics, so I think a phone would make sense.

parpol , (edited )

I’m sure the three brain surgeries had nothing to do with it. Must be fucking energy weapons.

Edit: Not sure why people are downvoting me. He had multiple brain aneurysms. That causes permanent damage, and rapidly progresses dementia related diseases.

nothingcorporate ,

“Batshit conspiracy theories…not just for the far right anymore!”

peopleproblems ,

That’s

Not the weirdest thing I’ve heard. Fuck this timeline

TropicalDingdong ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/619913c1-dc42-40cc-822e-8a7adb23d9f8.png

Cryophilia ,

If I could, I’d give him mine. He’s way more important than me.

TropicalDingdong ,

Lol.

You know he’s not going to be the next president or even the nominee right?

Cryophilia ,

When he becomes the nominee, what will you do?

TropicalDingdong ,

I don’t need to worry about that, but I have standing wagers with several people here on lemmy and elsewhere that Biden both:

a) wont be the nominee,

and

b) wont be the next president.

So I’d have to pay up? But I’m not worried about that in the slightest at this point (I got a bit excited after his ‘decent’ state of the Union back in March that he might flip on Gaza, but no, he dug his grave further).

Too many other seats are on the line to run Biden.

I took several bets where I was able to get anything from 10:1 or 20:1 in a parlay for a) and b) back in April. I’m confident enough now to do even money if there is no time line associated with it (other than obvious ones like the convention). All in all I probably have about a couple hundred on the line right now? Its all on these two outcomes.

I’ll take 10:1 that Biden isn’t the nominee at the end of this week if you are willing to offer it, and even money that he isn’t the nominee (no timeline) or president. I’m also interested in parlays if you have any you want to propose.

Cryophilia ,

I was meaning in the sense of would you vote for him? Would you support him?

TropicalDingdong ,

He has to be capable of winning to be worth supporting.

In the past 500 days, at no point had Biden demonstrated any evidence that he can win the election. He didn’t campaign as a two term president in 2020, he specifically acknowledged he would only do one term. His polling has been abysmal, almost all of his term, when we know that he already suffers from a 12 point polling deficit on Trump (Biden needs to be beating Trump by 12 to beat him, statistically). His key policies are deeply, the ones that will define him as president, specifically Gaza and the border, are deeply unpopular with the key demographics he needs to win, specifically middle eastern voters in the upper Midwest and any one under 40.

So this all is, and always has been, on Biden, to do better on. He’s not a candidate that you can support with these outstanding issues because he can’t win an election with them. Supporting him inspire of those issues does nothing to change the fact that he can’t win. Infact, the blue maga blind support (orange man worse, blue no matter who, etc…) has significantly harmed our ability to beat Trump because it prevented any pressure being placed on Biden to become a better candidate.

Some one needing to earn your vote in a primary season is bigger than just getting your issues addressed. It’s about carving a candidate into someone popular enough to win an election. That’s how Biden won in 2020. He had to go caress and finesse various voting blocks into supporting him by becoming a candidate and having a platform they could get behind. And it worked. He won that election by stepping left and effectively cloning the entire progressive/ Bernie platform.

Pretending this guy can win is idiotic and doesn’t work. If for whatever reason we still end up with Biden as candidate, we’re going to lose this election. And it’s going to be because of the blue no matter who/ Blue maga crowd if we do lose. It’s an intentional ignorance they’ve maintained about how electoralism and elections work in an effort to shield an unelectable candidate from criticism, and lemmy.world, the news and politics C’s and their associated mods, are particularly rife with it. If we run Biden inspire of his obvious shortcoming which are frankly insurmountable at this point, I put three blame solely in those who made a concerted effort to lie/disguise/ and prevent discussion about his shortcomings as a candidate.

Cryophilia ,

Blah blah blah, answer the question please. You talk like a politician. Would you support him?

TropicalDingdong ,

Oh I didn’t realize you were just jerking off. I apologize for answering you in good faith.

Cryophilia ,

Refusing to answer the question is not good faith.

Would you support him?

TropicalDingdong ,

You can engage with any of the points I made to show your honesty at any point.

But you won’t.

Cryophilia ,

Stop changing the subject. Answer the question. Will you support him?

TropicalDingdong ,

“Demand me nothing; what you know, you know. From this time forth I never will speak word”

-Lago, Othello (5.2. 347-348)

Cryophilia ,

That is the most elegant way to say “I got nothing” I’ve ever heard

Rottcodd ,

If we’re going to go all conspiratorial, here’s my theory:

Both campaigns are dealing with old men with diminished faculties.

There’s some drug cocktail(s) that both campaigns have been using to pep the doddering old farts up for public appearances.

If you’ll remember, very shortly before the debate, the accusation that “Biden’s on drugs” made the rounds, and Trump made some noises about demanding a drug test.

For some reason - possibly fear, possibly determination in the face of a challenge, possibly a subtle communication that the Trump campaign had some hard evidence they would, if pushed, release publicly - that led to the Biden team withholding his customary drug cocktail.

Trump, meanwhile, was dosed to the eyeballs.

And that was the contrast we saw - Trump was on drugs, while Biden, for whatever reason, for that night alone, was not.

Remember - for the Republicans broadly and especially for Trump, every accusation is a confession.

OopsAllTwix ,

That’s what probably happened.

CptEnder ,

I mean yeah Trump’s WH had a pharmacy handing out free drugs like fuckin Pablo Escobar.

givesomefucks ,

And Obama hired that Doc while Biden was VP…

He wasn’t an upstanding doctor up till Trump took office, then suddenly Pablo Escobar

JackbyDev ,

every accusation is a confession.

This is all I could think of when Trump said Democrats would use every avenue both legal and illegal to overturn election results.

Rottcodd ,

I sincerely think it’s broadly accurate - that, for the Republicans and especially for Trump, (most) every accusation is a confession.

There’s a simple psychological element to it, most often illustrated by moralists who rail against perversion of one form or another, only to be revealed to be perverts.

There’s another aspect to it though, and I think this is more often the case with Trump specifically - it’s a way to proactively undermine someone else’s accusation against you. If you can get your accusation out there first, then they end up sounding sort of like a child saying, “I know you are but what am I?”

Cryophilia ,

Or reactively. See the effort to impeach Biden lol

Zaktor ,

This is what conspiracy theories are supposed be. Absurd insanity. Not “vaccines are bad for you” or “a secret agent with Q clearance wants patriots to overthrow democracy”.

Pheonixdown ,

I prefer the “Darth Jar Jar” and “The Bloop” levels of conspiracy theories.

SkyezOpen ,

Darth jar jar was absolutely meant to be canon and you can’t change my mind.

twoface ,

If you count the Lego Star Wars sets, it is canon now :D

SkyezOpen ,

Whaaaat?

twoface ,

There will be a short series on Disney+ and a few Lego sets where they basically flip the whole universe on its head. starwars.com/…/lego-star-wars-rebuild-the-galaxy

SkyezOpen ,

Oh so specifically alternate universe stuff. Worth a watch.

lost_faith ,

I so wish it would have been true. I didn’t mind Jar Jar as much as others, I’m old (original trilogy old) and think he was… adequate for comic relief and for the kids, but him being a bumbling Sith would be just perfect. I should look for some fan fic of this

SkyezOpen ,

The bumbling bit was the cover. Dude was definitely competent.

lost_faith ,

It was quite amazing that events always worked out for him

afraid_of_zombies ,

It didn’t really make sense to me that he would be right there when the Jedi landed. The Trade Federation has multiple landing locations, which we saw in the movie, how did Darth Jar Jar know which one had the two Jedi stowed away on? Also how did he know that they escaped or would escape? Plus why didn’t he just kill them on route to meeting Anakin?

Sterile_Technique ,
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

Bruh there’s actual supporting evidence for Darth Jar Jar. He doesn’t deserve to be lumped in with the crazy shit!

TexasDrunk ,

I miss Batboy and Elvis being spotted in their convertible UFO.

MindTraveller ,

Don’t forget Bigger Luke

parpol ,

“vaccines are bad for you” is extremely absurd and insane, tbf.

Zaktor ,

It’s vicious and anti-scientific, but it’s not in the same level of obviously untrue statement as good conspiracy theories. Things that were claimed to be safe turning out to not be safe is something that actually happens. They’re just lying that it’s true of vaccines.

MindTraveller ,

It gets absurd enough when you go back to the original claim

“My MMR vaccine is completely safe, but the other MMR vaccine gives your child an upset tummy, which causes autism”

Sc00ter ,

My favorite conspiracy theory is that Kelly Johnson was read into alien tech at area 51/roswell and he was allowed to reverse engineer it. That’s why he got government funding directly to him, and how he developed the sr71 blackbird so fucking quick

tehmics ,

The best conspiracy ever conceived was the one that convinced people that conspiracies are absurdist caricatures of the very real threat of collusion.

All these crazy conspiracies just weaken the perception of the mundane real ones.

If I was gonna conspire, the first step would be to trivialize the idea in the first place.

palordrolap ,

Case in point: A reality TV show called Big Brother, named after the nebulous, terrifying, all-powerful overseer in George Orwell's 1984, was created specifically to rob the name of its power.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

It was originally a Dutch TV show by the hack who created Fear Factor and you are giving him way too much credit.

CaptainSpaceman ,

Its usually not the creators that do the obfuscation, its the people with money picking and choosing the “winners” of Hollywood. One of those factors is name

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Okay, but he named the show. So apparently he has secret, conspiratorial plans.

Or he’s just a hack.

Dragomus ,

Pleasantly surprised he is mentioned in that way.

I stood near him on “conventions” a few times with some years in between and he is such a nasty person both while making phone calls and in the way he treats others/his staff.

Comes over as someone who can’t find any joy in the small things in his life and p*sses on everyone else because of it.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That doesn’t shock me, but I doubt de Mol has any sort of secret conspiracy with the world powers going on.

JackbyDev ,

More like there being chemicals that actually fucked up frogs’ genitals but we only ever heard about it through the lens of Alex Jones and “turning the freaking frogs gay [sic]” youtu.be/i5uSbp0YDhc

VirtualOdour ,

Alex was just yelling about headlines he doesn’t understand, groundwater runoff affecting water tables is serious news covered a lot. It’s not fun so doesn’t make it to memes.

Alex supports Trump who cut a third of the EPA budget, Biden strengthened the EPA significantly. Things that actually matter get reported on but receive very few clicks, at some point we have to accept we’re responsible and make an effort to change.

JackbyDev , (edited )

Oh, please don’t mistake me as believing Alex Jones is some sort of bastion of truth. While I find it interesting there is truth behind the meme, it’s more upsetting that the manner in which people hear it is still coming from a place of misinformation and bigotry. (Bigotry as in having different genitals doesn’t make you homosexual, yet the claim is that it “turns frogs gay.” Which is why I tossed the sic tag on the quote.)

Freefall ,

Conspiracy theorists are useful idiots.

afraid_of_zombies ,

I was gonna conspire, the first step would be to trivialize the idea in the first place.

Not me. That sounds like way too much work. Spending a century or so running skeptic magazines/podcast/book publishers/blogs/whatyou just so i cam sneak my little thing in.

Be easier to just do it.

Cryophilia ,

Conspiraception

Telodzrum ,

This is why the Denver Airport will always be the best conspiracy.

TheBigBrother , (edited )

This explains everything, I thought he was being mind-controlled by the NWO or something…

littlebluespark ,
@littlebluespark@lemmy.world avatar

So, Gizmodo’s trying to toady up to The Onion, now?

ChihuahuaOfDoom ,

Yep, absolutely. It couldn’t possibly be that he’s an octogenarian with a known speech impediment, had to be directed energy weapons.

givesomefucks ,

known speech impediment

He had a childhood speech impediment. Overcoming those requires a concentrated effort, which we become less able to handle as we age.

Here’s Biden in 2008

youtu.be/eOombKZSsj4?si=hYe3kh-wkM2iemtY&t=1424

Here he is in 1987

www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRxOldhJ7Sw

In a way what’s happening now is a speech impediment, but it’s re-emerging as he loses ability in the same parts of the brain that handle critical thinking due to the normal effects of aging.

I’m just tired of so many people writing this stuff off. Like, it took 2 minutes to find those videos and show he hasn’t always been like this. He just couldn’t win until the only other option was trump. Even tho he was a much better candidate back then.

Quick edit:

Ironically something like the Havana weapon would actually cause this shit, it’s incredibly unlikely someone used it on Biden for the debate…

But it’s fucking 2024 y’all, who knows what’s real anymore I guess.

Omegamanthethird ,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

Also, allegedly had a cold and probably got flustered after the first time he tripped on his words. And inexplicably kept trying to recite various metrics from memory.

corroded ,

People really underestimate how bad a cold can be. When I’m sick, it’s so hard to function mentally that I can barely do my job.

I believe he was sick, and I believe this was just a case of unfortunate timing. What matters in politics is perception, though, and the perception isn’t good.

TraipsersWill ,

I’ll float the possibility that he took a slug of Nyquil™ before the debate, but forgot to chase it with a Red Bull™.

JackbyDev ,

Didn’t he have a stutter when younger?

Omegamanthethird ,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

He’s always had it. But it was probably easier to manage it when he was younger.

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