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credo ,

The poor performance and miserable result of this debate is not an indicator the format is bad, it is an indictment of our media circus that has given us these candidates in the first place.

This is proof our system is fucked and I hope to god we don’t “fix” this by going back to letting opponents talk all over each other just to put on a good an entertaining show.

Hello_there ,

Start an initiative for ranked choice voting

NotAnotherLemmyUser ,

I’d rather have “star” or “approval” voting, but I’ll take ranked choice voting over what we’ve currently got.

foggy ,

Yep. The only reason these two are candidates is because their names ignite anger, and anger gets people to interact. They sell ad space.

rimu ,
@rimu@piefed.social avatar

Biden stumbled and lost the tread in the opening minutes but is doing well now.

Trump is doing a good job at being Trump. Pretty tired of him ignoring the question and talking about whatever he likes and the moderator letting him.

TheDemonBuer ,
@TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world avatar

Why did anyone watch this debate? Were you expecting to learn something new? Are you on the fence and hoping this would help you make up your mind? I mean, the Trump people are going to vote for Trump, and the Biden people are going to vote for Biden, regardless, so it seems like a complete waste of time.

AFKBRBChocolate ,

Everyone is just hoping their guy doesn’t say something that will hurt their campaign. Not sure anyone is happy though.

tiefling ,

Comedy. Tragedy. The very very faint hope that one of them will have a heart attack on air.

AFKBRBChocolate ,

Oh my god, Trump just said “I’ve never seen anybody lie like this guy” and he wasn’t pointing at himself.

Wahots ,
@Wahots@pawb.social avatar

I really liked the part where he was trying to assure people that he probably, mayyyybe wouldn’t die in office, and ended by saying “We knock on wood wherever we may have wood” lmfao

AFKBRBChocolate ,

Trump’s lies have gotten so over the top. We’re like two steps away from him saying he was one of the guys who walked on the moon.

And his cult will believe it.

TheBigBrother ,

Beside preferring Trump or Biden, what the fuck Americans have with cadaver like people?, these both fuckers should be retired since like 10 years ago not kidding…

AmidFuror ,

Biden and Trump are no Andrew Tate, amirite? Well, Trump is not too far off.

TheBigBrother ,

Maybe Andrew Tate would be a better president than both of these old fucks…

Hookers and Bugattis for everyone…

xmunk ,

We don’t need yet another rapist candidate.

TheBigBrother ,

Idk what’s better, if a young rapist, an old rapist or a senile dement… LMAO…

xmunk ,

Of the three? The senile old man hands down.

Especially with how insane both the rapists are.

TheBigBrother ,

I believe you have never know someone with dementia, rapists are definetly bad also, people with dementia live in a nonexistent reality and are incapable of rationalization. TBH all three options are shitty options the longer you live the more you realize American polítics are a fucking joke…

xmunk ,

My thing is… Biden can be a complete fucking train wreck but he’s going to be surrounded by relatively sane people. Trump would be surrounded by Stephen Miller and other fucking clowns - Tate would probably pull Peterson or some other asshat into his cabinet.

TheBigBrother ,

IDK what’s better/worst, a competent idiot or an incompetent genius…

morphballganon ,

If you think Tate gives a shit about the 99%, you’re even more out of touch than these two geezers.

TheBigBrother ,

I think none of these three give a fuck about the 99%…

morphballganon ,

Then why would Tate give hookers and Bugattis to everyone, if you understand he doesn’t give a shit about the 99%?

xmunk ,

America has a broken political system. It needs to change and there are legitimate attempts - but this is the choice we have.

maynarkh ,

We stayed up to watch it here across the pond, made it to 10 minutes.

Seriously, WTF is going on over there? How are these two people the top candidates to represent 380 million people?

morphballganon ,

Conservative gerrymandering, court-stacking, purging voter rolls, propaganda etc

maynarkh ,

Okay, that explains Trump, but Biden?

morphballganon ,

DNC has gotten lazy as a result of First-Past-The-Post election style making them the least-crazy viable option.

TimLovesTech ,
@TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social avatar

“Their taking Black jobs, and their taking Hispanic jobs …”

“What exactly is a Black or Hispanic job Mr. Trump?” should have been the follow up on that one.

solrize ,

Both are demented, but the election is about the whole executive branch and not just the specific buffoon at the top. That’s what I’ve been telling myself anyway.

Hello_there ,

Both are demented or both have dementia?

imPastaSyndrome ,

Isn’t that literally what that means?

AFKBRBChocolate ,

And who is going to appoint the next supreme court justices

solrize ,

In practice that’s done by party hacks and staffers already. The president signs off at the end.

bmsok ,

Worst debate in United States history.

BeMoreCareful ,

A lot of people are saying that. My staff told me that just before I came out here as a matter of fact. History’s worst debate in the history of the world. A lot of people are saying that.

givesomefucks , (edited )

I could only make it like five minutes, but this is a great summary by the AP:

In first half hour of debate, a raspy Biden has delivered rambling answers that sometimes trail off as he defends his policies and record.

Trump has countered with falsehoods on issues including the economy, abortion and NATO members’ defense spending.

The two have also exchanged deeply personal attacks.

apnews.com/live/presidential-debate-2024-updates

Edit:

Biden was talking about “saving Israel” too. Despite the vast majority pissed at how he’s handling it.

The conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians is an especially vulnerable spot for Biden. With only 26% of U.S. adults approving of his handling of the issue, it’s well below his overall approval rating (39%). In the latest AP-NORC poll, nearly 6 in 10 Democrats disapprove of his approach to the conflict.

He’s completely out of touch with what voters want. I have zero idea how anyone could think risking trump as president is worth giving an 82 year old we don’t want another term in office.

Why are we running someone Dem voters actually want?

That 26% of people that approve of what he’s doing with Israel is all US adults, including trump supporters. It’s not even 26% of Dems…

KaRunChiy ,
@KaRunChiy@kbin.run avatar

holy shit that jan 6 question just dropped and as soon as trump started talking bullshit, biden just looked so so annoyed and pained lol

xmunk ,

Trump has just flat out refused to answer several questions… the moderators have brought questions back a few time - I don’t think Dana just saying “that’s a lie” would be productive but I think Trump’s evasion got well highlighted.

originalucifer ,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

biden sounds like shit, but hes got all the right words. hes made a few mistakes hes quickly fixed, but no giant mistakes and lots of details.

trump is doin what trump does... throw a wall of lies loudly

AFKBRBChocolate ,

I don’t know, I’m for sure voting Biden, but I can’t say he’s doing great. He’s doing a little better when he’s getting riled, but he sounds old - more than three years older than Trump.

originalucifer ,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

agreed, but if you imagine those words in print, its very obvious biden knows whats hes talking about.

the morals of an alley cat!

AFKBRBChocolate ,

Oh, for sure. And I’ve worked with enough really sharp older people to know their words can get flubbed up when they’re on the spot when even though their brains are sharp.

AFKBRBChocolate ,

Is it my imagination or are they moderators letting Trump go on while cutting Biden off most of the time?

I wish Biden would slow down, he’s getting flustered and can’t seem to find his words. Trump is just acting like it’s a rally, saying whatever the hell he wants and making shit up. This is ridiculous.

FireTower ,
@FireTower@lemmy.world avatar

The moderation seems like the best since at least Obama was running.

AFKBRBChocolate ,

It’s gotten better, and I agree. I’m really happy about them turning off the mics. But I still think they’re letting Trump ramble more than Biden.

crusa187 ,

MAGA bullied the moderators with threats of violence to prevent them from pushing back on Trump’s lies. Looks like it worked, they didn’t say jack shit.

CNN also made a big deal about live fact checking and did none of it during the debate. Corporate oligarchs licking their chops at the potential tax cuts with a 2nd Trump term, dictatorial ambitions be damned.

foggy ,

Holy shit this is hard to watch.

watson387 ,
@watson387@sopuli.xyz avatar

I hear you. All you hear about is how incoherent Biden is… Bullshit. He comes across as articulate and knowledgeable here. Trump hasn’t said anything at all yet. He just keeps spouting idiotic generalizations about how bad the state of the country is without any examples or proof.

OsaErisXero ,

Don't forget the oughtright lies.

foggy ,

No, it’s hard to watch because Biden needs to clear his throat and keeps drifting off.

Trump keeps not answering questions and lying and dodging.

It’s all around pathetic.

themeatbridge ,

One guy is slightly hoarse.

The other is a delusional fascist.

So basically both sides the same.

foggy ,

I didn’t say they were the same. That’s a weird thing to say. I said they were both pathetic.

Because they both are.

givesomefucks ,

I hear you. All you hear about is how incoherent Biden is… Bullshit

…

During a response to a question about abortion, Biden mentioned, seemingly out of nowhere, a young woman who was recently murdered by an immigrant — an apparent reference to a 12-year-old Houston girl who was strangled to death, allegedly by two Venezuelan men who entered the country illegally.

The connection to abortion was unclear.

apnews.com/live/presidential-debate-2024-updates

aleph , (edited )
@aleph@lemm.ee avatar

Calling Biden articulate is being incredibly generous. I mean, what on earth was he trying to communicate here?

Overall, Biden put in a very lackluster, unconvincing performance while Trump did his usual schtick of rambling off topic, lying through his teeth, and refusing to answer any questions on policy. The whole thing was a shambles.

eran_morad ,

I tried, twice. Fuck it, it’s just unbearable.

foggy ,

Didn’t they say there would be live fact checking?

Sigh.

Coach ,

I’m downvoting this in the hopes that nobody watches this shit show.

Coach ,

So y’all downvoting me really think that Biden is doing a good job? Seriously??

morphballganon ,

I’m downvoting you for being a douche. The quality of the debate is irrelevant.

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