Trump claims credit for Biden’s insulin price cap

hperrin , 15 days ago

This is getting pretty fucking ridiculous. Either Donald Trump is a complete liar (ok, that’s a given) or he’s absolutely demented (ok, I guess both are given).

Sam_Bass , 16 days ago

Nothing is too low for pond scum

bloodfart , 16 days ago

uhh…

the insulin price cap was instituted at the end of trumps term via executive order. I remember because a family member was overjoyed by it.

when biden took office, the incoming regime stopped all the previous regime’s executive orders for three months. it happened a couple of days before the insulin price cap was supposed to take effect.

it’s not exactly weird to try to take credit for something you did and someone else rebranded as their own thing.

the article linked in the OP says as much, way down at the bottom after talking up how good the insulin price cap is and how polling on healthcare supports biden.

i don’t usually end up in a thread saying “hey wait a second, trump actually did do that!” but dang.

NOPper , 16 days ago

Wow holy shit, that’s kind of a 180 on the whole article… I hate the news so much for this shit.

UrPartnerInCrime , 16 days ago

Ok so I looked it up cause I’ll give credit where credit is due.

Trump did start the lower cost of insulin train, but when he started it was only for “1,750 standalone Medicare Part D prescription drug plans and Medicare Advantage plans.” ^(1)

So yeah I guess he started it, but Biden actually did it with his Inflation Reduction Act, which Democratic lawmakers pushed through Congress in 2022. ^(2) (3)

(1) cms.gov/…/president-trump-announces-lower-out-poc…

(2) amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/01/01/…/insulin-price-cap

(3) medicarerights.org/…/the-inflation-reduction-acts…

bloodfart , 16 days ago (edited 16 days ago)

Im no fan of the trump regime, but you can’t say that having a signed executive order with a hhs rule implementation ready to go with a date and everything is “starting” it.

That’s literally finishing it but then having an uno reverse pulled before the awards ceremony.

Except the award wasnt gonna go to trump, but instead to Medicare part d recipients.

Also while expanding the cap to part b fifteen months later is good, part b covers the pumps and stuff, not the epipens and insulin themselves, which are covered by part d.

I’m open to being wrong about it, but I can’t find any documentation that executive order 13937 went back into effect after the Biden regimes 60 day freeze on all trump regime eos expired.

Like I said above, I’m open to being wrong, but this seems like a big L for dems…

E: sp, grammar.

Suavevillain , 16 days ago

This is one tactic Trump often uses where he takes credit for things he didn’t even support and then receives no real pushback for it.

Hildegarde , 16 days ago

And biden took credit for the $600 stimulus checks before he took office. Politicians are dishonest. Every single one.

cybersandwich , 16 days ago

Huh?

Hildegarde , 16 days ago

During his campaign biden promised $2000 stimulus checks. Once he finally delivered the checks they were only $1400.

Instead of acting like a responsible adult and apologizing for the shortage, he decided to lie and gaslight saying that $1400 was what he promised because if you count the $600 checks that he had nothing to do with and add them you get the $2000 he promised.

xantoxis , 16 days ago

This is Biden taking credit for Bernie Sanders’ insulin price cap.

A_Random_Idiot , 16 days ago

This is Republicanism at its core.

Fight everything.

Democrats pass it anyway, somehow.

Take all the credit for the nothing you did.

Imgonnatrythis , 16 days ago

Even this core philosophy is stolen. 5 year old children have long held ownership and mastery of this technique.

SPRUNT , 16 days ago

“5 year old children”… Yeah, that sounds about right for the republican party.

girlfreddy , 16 days ago

Personally I’d say younger … like the terrible 2 age of “NO!” or 3-4 yr old “Why?”.

cultsuperstar , 16 days ago

It always makes me laugh when Dems pass something and some Republican says something like “Americnas will benefit from this great thing we did” and that Republican is called out for voting against it.

AllNewTypeFace , 16 days ago

That’s the beauty of faith-based political identity. If you believe that Trump gave you cheap insulin in 2024, or that Biden caused the Covid crisis a year before his inauguration, the causal impossibility can be explained away as one of the ineffable mysteries of faith.

givesomefucks , 16 days ago

He did…

And as soon as Biden came I to office, he froze what trump had done, and then after a couple years out it back I to effect.

Like, that’s a real thing that happened. And it’s concerning people apparently forgot.

In the first few days of his 2021 term, U.S. President Joe Biden was quick to issue nearly a dozen executive orders aimed at reversing many of the policies of former President Donald Trump, from rejoining the World Health Organization to recommitting the U.S. to the Paris climate accord. And, as the 46th president took pen to paper, he required that all federal rules pending review that were submitted under the previous administration be frozen for at 60 days — among them, one aimed at reducing the cost of insulin and EpiPens.

www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-insulin-epipen/

Stamau123 , 16 days ago

Why would it be concerning? He replaced an executive order with actual law.

girlfreddy , 16 days ago

givesomefucks doesn’t give a fuck about facts.

kurwa , 16 days ago

Why you keep lyin bro

givesomefucks , 16 days ago

Lying about what?

trump did it, at the same $35/month limit

Biden stopped trumps executive order, and years later codified it

So what was the point of the pause? Why didn’t Biden keep the executive order till it was codified?

I have no idea why people keep saying I lied.

girlfreddy , 16 days ago

I have no idea why people keep saying I lied.

Self-awareness is something you have to work at. I would suggest you start now, before it’s too late.

givesomefucks , 16 days ago

So. You can’t say how I lied either?

You just heard something you don’t like, and it’s a lie, but you can’t explain how…

May I ask how much of your news comes from CNN?

And if you were aware that it’s been years since the new buyers publicly said their goal was to create emotional and uninformed habitual viewers like Faux News has?

I got this theory, but I need some data. And don’t just want to make assumptions.

20 hours a week? Or do you just leave it on throughtout the day already?

girlfreddy , 16 days ago

Kinda like you with your faux givesomefucks.

metallic_substance , 16 days ago

Learn some basic media literacy.

politifact.com/…/walker-exaggerates-effect-trump-…

…afp.com/trumps-insulin-order-frozen-not-scrapped…

yahoo.com/…/fact-check-biden-administration-delay…

metallic_substance , 16 days ago (edited 16 days ago)

This is maybe the 5th time I’ve seen you post something that’s either willfully deceptive or just flat-out dumb. A while back I tagged you so you’re easy to spot. https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/6b1d70b0-9c47-42cd-a0ef-ea838cfce38b.jpeg

politifact.com/…/walker-exaggerates-effect-trump-…

…afp.com/trumps-insulin-order-frozen-not-scrapped…

yahoo.com/…/fact-check-biden-administration-delay…

FlyingSquid , 16 days ago

By November, Trump will have taken credit for every Biden accomplishment and millions of voters will believe it because they have the memories of goldfish.

givesomefucks , 16 days ago

…

www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-insulin-epipen/

FlyingSquid , 16 days ago

What does that have to do with what I said?

givesomefucks , 16 days ago

What?

You’re commenting under an article that says Trump is taking credit for it.

You made a comment saying trump was going to take credit for all of Biden’s accomplishments…

And I showed you a link that says Trump did this first by executive order, Biden stopped it for years, and now people are bigving him credit for not obstructing it and saying it was his idea

How do you not understand how the headline, your comment, and that article aren’t connected?

It’s literally two steps of logic

FlyingSquid , 16 days ago

See, the funny thing is that the article that OP posted that you clearly didn’t read already brought that up and put it into context that you didn’t.

If only you had read it.

givesomefucks , 16 days ago

So why did your comment imply trump lied?

Like, this is the one time he’s actually telling the truth…

FlyingSquid , 16 days ago

If you were here in good faith, you would have admitted you didn’t read the original article that already mentioned your big gotcha.

givesomefucks , 16 days ago

So…

No explanation at all, and more accusations.

Great, have fun with that. It might be close enough to the line mods won’t delete your comments. But I sure as shit don’t want to read them anymore.

Enjoy the slow process of becoming exactly like a trump supporter. At least you got a headstart, like the first zombie in an apocalypse. You don’t have to watch others turn, you’re already there.

FlyingSquid , 16 days ago

No explanation at all, and more accusations.

The explanation is in the article you refuse to read.

Enjoy the slow process of becoming exactly like a trump supporter. At least you got a headstart, like the first zombie in an apocalypse. You don’t have to watch others turn, you’re already there.

Who was it who recently criticized me about making accusations? Can anyone help me with that?

hydroptic , 16 days ago

Hey don’t insult goldfish by comparing them to conservatives; goldfish actually have good memories

FlyingSquid , 16 days ago

I knew that from reading it somewhere years ago. (Maybe a Straight Dope book?) But I couldn’t think of a better metaphor people would understand.

AngryCommieKender , 16 days ago

May flies. Those fuckers only live 6 days, I cannot imagine that evolution would select for memory retention with that short of a life span.

InternetUser2012 , 16 days ago

That’s what happens when you have two brain cells fighting for third place and get your information from fox “news”.

hash0772 , 16 days ago

Not memories of goldfish, it’s just malice.

Big_Boss_77 , 16 days ago

Are you familiar with Hanlon’s Razor?

hash0772 , 15 days ago

Not really, thanks for sharing!

Tolookah , 16 days ago

From what I’ve read, and I’m happy to be corrected, what Trump tried to dictate through executive orders (that would get thrown out in courts), Biden lead Congress to actually write laws about.

givesomefucks , 16 days ago

From what actually happened…

Biden “struck it down” waited a couple years, and then when he stopped obstructing it, demanded we call him FDR

www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-insulin-epipen/

johker216 , 16 days ago

Biden did not “strike it down”, he halted all EOs not in effect so their administration can review them (see: the first paragraph of the linked article). Instead of re-issuing an EO, something that can be withdrawn on a whim (see: your post), Biden did the actual hard work of working with Congress to help pass the Inflation Reduction Act. The $35 cap is now backed by law rather than by diktat. Trump took the lazy path and issued the EO in the last days of his Presidency - a Presidency he spent quite a long time using to try and repeal the Affordable Care Act.

Try understanding the issue instead of spamming MAGA talking points.

hydroptic , 16 days ago

Try understanding the issue instead of spamming MAGA talking points.

The majority of conservatives are completely incapable of understanding the world at anything except a surface level. They wouldn’t be conservatives in the first place if they had the capacity.

Conservatism and cognitive ability are negatively correlated.

sources- Bright Minds and Dark Attitudes: Lower Cognitive Ability Predicts Greater Prejudice Through Right-Wing Ideology and Low Intergroup Contact> Despite their important implications for interpersonal behaviors and relations, cognitive abilities have been largely ignored as explanations of prejudice. We proposed and tested mediation models in which lower cognitive ability predicts greater prejudice, an effect mediated through the endorsement of right-wing ideologies (social conservatism, right-wing authoritarianism) and low levels of contact with out-groups. In an analysis of two large-scale, nationally representative United Kingdom data sets (N = 15,874), we found that lower general intelligence (g) in childhood predicts greater racism in adulthood, and this effect was largely mediated via conservative ideology. A secondary analysis of a U.S. data set confirmed a predictive effect of poor abstract-reasoning skills on antihomosexual prejudice, a relation partially mediated by both authoritarianism and low levels of intergroup contact. All analyses controlled for education and socioeconomic status. Our results suggest that cognitive abilities play a critical, albeit underappreciated, role in prejudice. Consequently, we recommend a heightened focus on cognitive ability in research on prejudice and a better integration of cognitive ability into prejudice models. - Cognitive ability, right-wing authoritarianism, and social dominance orientation: a five-year longitudinal study amongst adolescents> We report longitudinal data in which we assessed the relationships between intelligence and support for two constructs that shape ideological frameworks, namely, right-wing authoritarianism (RWA) and social dominance orientation (SDO). Participants (N = 375) were assessed in Grade 7 and again in Grade 12. Verbal and numerical ability were assessed when students entered high school in Grade 7. RWA and SDO were assessed before school graduation in Grade 12. After controlling for the possible confounding effects of personality and religious values in Grade 12, RWA was predicted by low g (β = -.16) and low verbal intelligence (β = -.18). SDO was predicted by low verbal intelligence only (β = -.13). These results are discussed with reference to the role of verbal intelligence in predicting support for such ideological frameworks and some comments are offered regarding the cognitive distinctions between RWA and SDO. - Conservatism and cognitive ability> Conservatism and cognitive ability are negatively correlated. The evidence is based on 1254 community college students and 1600 foreign students seeking entry to United States’ universities. At the individual level of analysis, conservatism scores correlate negatively with SAT, Vocabulary, and Analogy test scores. At the national level of analysis, conservatism scores correlate negatively with measures of education (e.g., gross enrollment at primary, secondary, and tertiary levels) and performance on mathematics and reading assessments from the PISA (Programme for International Student Assessment) project. They also correlate with components of the Failed States Index and several other measures of economic and political development of nations. Conservatism scores have higher correlations with economic and political measures than estimated IQ scores. - Does Lower Cognitive Ability Predict Greater Prejudice?> [T]here exists a solid empirical paper trail demonstrating that lower cognitive abilities (e.g., abstract-reasoning skills and verbal, nonverbal, and general intelligence) predict greater prejudice. We discuss how the effects of lower cognitive ability on prejudice are explained (i.e., mediated) by greater endorsement of right-wing socially conservative attitude. […] > > Right-wing ideologies offer well-structured and ordered views about society that preserve traditional societal conventions and norms (e.g., Jost, Glaser, Kruglanski, & Sulloway, 2003). Such ideological belief systems are particularly attractive to individuals who are strongly motivated to avoid uncertainty and ambiguity in preference for simplicity and predictability (Jost et al., 2003; Roets & Van Hiel, 2011). Theoretically, individuals with lower mental abilities should be attracted by right-wing social-cultural ideologies because they minimize complexity and increase perceived control (Heaven, Ciarrochi, & Leeson, 2011; Stankov, 2009). Conversely, individuals with greater cognitive skills are better positioned to understand changing and dynamic societal contexts, which should facilitate open-minded, relatively left-leaning attitudes (Deary et al., 2008a; Heaven et al., 2011; McCourt, Bouchard, Lykken, Tellegen, & Keyes, 1999). Lower cognitive abilities therefore draw people to strategies and ideologies that emphasize what is presently known and considered acceptable to make sense and impose order over their environment. Resistance to social change and the preservation of the status quo regarding societal traditions—key principles underpinning right-wing social-cultural ideologies—should be particularly appealing to those wishing to avoid uncertainty and threat.> > Indeed, the empirical literature reveals negative relations between cognitive abilities and right-wing social-cultural attitudes, including right-wing authoritarian (e.g., Keiller, 2010; McCourt et al., 1999), socially conservative (e.g., Stankov, 2009; Van Hiel et al., 2010), and religious attitudes (e.g., Zuckerman, Silberman, & Hall, 2013).* Cognitive ability and authoritarianism: Understanding support for Trump and Clinton> With Donald Trump the Republican nominee and Hillary Clinton the Democratic nominee for the 2016 U.S. Presidential election, speculations of why Trump resonates with many Americans are widespread-as are suppositionsof whether, independent of party identification, people might vote for Hillary Clinton. The present study, using a sample of American adults (n=406), investigated whether two ideological beliefs, namely, right-wing authoritarianism (RWA) and social dominance orientation (SDO) uniquely predicted Trump supportand voting intentions for Clinton. Cognitive ability as a predictor of RWA and SDO was also tested. Path analyses, controlling for political party identification,revealed that higher RWA and SDO uniquely predicted more favorable attitudes of Trump, greater intentions to vote for Trump, and lower intentions to vote for Clinton. Lower cognitive ability predicted greater RWA and SDO and indirectly predicted more favorable Trump attitudes, greater intentions to vote for Trump and lower intentionsto vote for Clinton. - Low-Effort Thought Promotes Political Conservatism> In Study 1, alcohol intoxication was measured among bar patrons; as blood alcohol level increased, so did political conservatism (controlling for sex, education, and political identification). In Study 2, participants under cognitive load reported more conservative attitudes than their no-load counterparts. In Study 3, time pressure increased participants’ endorsement of conservative terms. In Study 4, participants considering political terms in a cursory manner endorsed conservative terms more than those asked to cogitate; an indicator of effortful thought (recognition memory) partially mediated the relationship between processing effort and conservatism. Together these data suggest that political conservatism may be a process consequence of low-effort thought; when effortful, deliberate thought is disengaged, endorsement of conservative ideology increases.

givesomefucks , 16 days ago

The issue is some people have become tricked I to thinking of you don’t like Biden then you have to support trump.

It’s an easy way for the wealthy to stop the country from moving left.

Instead of listening and thinking, you just scream “MAGA” if someone doesn’t say Biden is FDR.

The same shit trumpers do.

Likely all comes back to the conservative billionaire from WBs board saying he wants to make CNN more like Faux News. So the “moderates” act like Republicans.

Faux News was created to get republicans voters to the point where they’d never hold a Republican accountable…

It’s been two years, and the moderate CNN watchers are excusing genocide at our border, in the Middle East, and openly denying reality…

I can admit when I’m wrong, I didn’t think “moderates” would fall for it, I thought they’d just stop watching CNN.

hydroptic , 16 days ago

If you don’t like being painted as a reich-winger, maybe stop repeating reich-wing talking points and try to think for yourself?

givesomefucks , 16 days ago

…

Mate, just read the article…

For Trump’s part, the former president signed an executive order in the last year of his administration to issue his own $35 price cap on insulin. Biden later paused that policy when he took office as part of a larger freeze to allow his administration to review new regulations set to go into effect.

If anyone is acting like trumpets, it’s the ones ignoring reality

hydroptic , 16 days ago (edited 16 days ago)

You’re like a parody of yourself. Even the snippet you quoted says that the policy was paused to “review new regulations set to go into effect”, and as somebody already tried to tell you, the old executive order about the price was simply replaced with a law.

If you want to tell others they’re ignoring reality you really ought to stop, you know, ignoring reality. Did you even read that quote you copied yourself? If you did, did you understand it? Did you understand what the other commenter said about the price cap now being a law instead of an executive order?

You can now throw your petulant downvote my way and keep insisting everybody else is wrong, apparently that’s all you’re capable of even when quoting sources you yourself dug up

UrPartnerInCrime , 16 days ago

He only capped it for 1750 patients for 1 year. Biden got it done for everyone

givesomefucks , 16 days ago

Yep, I’m never a fan of means testing, and that was included in it. Not sure where your numbers are coming from since you didn’t link it tho.

factcheck.org/…/trumps-executive-orders-on-prescr…

Another executive order pertains to insulin and epinephrine. It calls on the HHS secretary to require Federally Qualified Health Centers, or FQHCs, to make those drugs available at low prices to low-income individuals who don’t have health insurance or have high cost-sharing for those drugs.

More specifically, the order aims to have the FQHCs, which provide primary care in underserved areas, offer the drugs to those individuals “at the discounted price paid by the FQHC grantee or sub-grantee under the 340B Prescription Drug Program” plus a “minimal” fee. The 340B program enables certain entities to buy drugs at discounted prices.

Unfortunately that’s still the case…

The Inflation Reduction Act, which Biden signed in 2022, caps out-of-pocket insulin costs at $35 a month for Medicare enrollees. The cap took effect in 2023. In response, three drug manufacturers said they planned to reduce the price of insulin to $35 through price caps or savings programs.

politifact.com/…/biden-is-right-about-35-insulin-…

But even if it did do what Biden claims, why pause Trump’s for years?

What about those people that got it under Trump’s means testing and under Biden’s means testing?

Why did Biden not want them to be covered under Trump’s in the meantime?

I’m legitimately trying to find out why, and I’m just not getting any answers.

UrPartnerInCrime , 16 days ago (edited 16 days ago)

Trump did start the lower cost of insulin train, but when he started it was only for “1,750 standalone Medicare Part D prescription drug plans and Medicare Advantage plans.” ^(1)

So yeah I guess he started it, but Biden actually did it with his Inflation Reduction Act, which Democratic lawmakers pushed through Congress in 2022. ^(2) (3)

(1) cms.gov/…/president-trump-announces-lower-out-poc…

(2) amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/01/01/…/insulin-price-cap

(3) medicarerights.org/…/the-inflation-reduction-acts…

Edit: sorry for the format on this one. I copied it from an earlier comment where I was being snarky

givesomefucks , 16 days ago

Try understanding the issue instead of spamming MAGA talking points.

This is why the horseshoe theory is bullshit.

The far right wings of any party are similar. Like, if a Republican shit talks trump, or says what trump is saying isn’t true, they’re called a commie Biden supporter. If a Dem says something isn’t perfect with Biden, or mentions how what he’s saying isn’t true, “moderates” they’re called a fascist trump supporter.

Meanwhile, the bulk of potential voters are so far left, that neither party comes close to represent you.

Big corporations have you out here defending Biden, when we should be protesting him. Just because the only other option they put up for you, is even worse.

Not only did a disappointing amount of people fall for it, both groups are so smug about it for some reason.

Sit down and think about Biden as a candidate sometime, not just as “not trump” because literally every fucking person besides trump is also “not trump”.

Both parties don’t give a fuck about you, or what you want.

And Dems are fine stopping one of the only good things trump ever did, just so a few years later Biden can take credit for it.

Fucking embarrassing

DefiantBidet , 16 days ago

So when proven wrong, rather than defend your point - you change the argument to both sides are the same? You have to see how disingenuous that makes you look. It’s arguing in bad faith it’s why people laugh at you and don’t take you seriously.

givesomefucks , 16 days ago

So when proven wrong

Where was I proven wrong?

trump did this, Biden paused it for years, and now people are giving Biden credit and saying trump never did it…

Moderate Dems have been acting like trumpets since 2016, but I never thought we’d get to this level of reality denial.

Which is why I mentioned WB buying CNN and their openly announced plan for it.

I didn’t think they could, but look at this shit

AngryCommieKender , 16 days ago

Per your own comments others comments, and the damn article, Trump didn’t do this. Trump took the easy way out and signed an EO. An EO that could be overturned or paused at any time. Biden did the hard work and got a law passed. Laws can’t just be overturned, in fact Jefferson was in favor of a 19 year sunset term on every law that wasn’t part of The Constitution, because laws are so hard to repeal he called it the tyranny of dead generations.

Maybe try to live up to your username, and pay attention when multiple people spell out for you your erroneous feelings with the actual facts?

givesomefucks , 16 days ago

Trump didn’t do this. Trump took the easy way out and signed an EO. An EO that could be overturned or paused at any time.

Cool, so far you’re good

But why did Biden pause it for years, then codify it (apparently, I keep being told Biden has nothing to do with that so stop asking him to).

We don’t even get into why if he did this, he can’t do anything else.

Why did he pause probably the only good thing trump did to codify it? Why was that one of Biden’s first acts?

Why not let Trump’s EO ride until it was passed by law?

Like, you just said:

An EO that could be overturned or paused at any time.

But why did Biden have to pause that almost immediately after assuming office?

AngryCommieKender , 16 days ago

The Biden administration paused all the EOs that Trump signed, not just this one, though it may have been limited to the last year in office. They did so because Trump signed so many EOs in the last few months, that there is absolutely no way that he read them, and someone needed to do so. This one just happened to get caught up in that, and the Biden administration decided to make it so that this one would be permanent. I’m unsure how much Biden himself would have been involved in such decisions.

givesomefucks , 16 days ago

The Biden administration paused all the EOs that Trump signed, not just this one

So…

Your defense of Biden is that he didn’t evaluate anything, just undid Trump’s executive actions?

I’m no sure, do you know if he did that with Trump’s human right violations at our border too? Or did he let that ride?

that there is absolutely no way that he read them, and someone needed to do so.

But your excuse for Biden pausing it for years… Was he just did it to all (or some, you’re not sure) of Trump’s executive actions?

So which is it?

Did Biden know what this was before pausing it?

If he did, why did he pause it?

I’m just looking for some logical consistency, but all I seem to get is insults, and you’re being civil so I really hope you can explain it.

rusticus , 16 days ago

Biden is the most progressive president in the last 50 years. I dare you to name a better president in that time frame. Lmao.

givesomefucks , 16 days ago

What kind of question is that?

Obama and Bill Clinton where both more progressive than Biden…

rusticus , 16 days ago

Tell us you know nothing about politics without telling us you know nothing about politics…

InternetUser2012 , 16 days ago

Fucking troll gtfo, or you a bot?

UrPartnerInCrime , 16 days ago

While the Final Rule implementing EO 13937 was intended to increase access to affordable insulin and epinephrine, it did not fully understand FQHC operations and 340B Program mechanics, nor did it consider the possible negative consequences. If the Final Rule is implemented, it will do more harm than good in terms of ensuring access to care and medications for underserved populations

howardbrown.org/…/Public-Comment-on-Proposed-Resc…