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CileTheSane ,
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urging GOP lawmakers to consider the harm caused by the restrictive laws they support.

The cruelty is the point. This just tells them it’s working.

brygphilomena ,

Why do we allow our politicians to refuse to do their job and just leave when they don’t want to deal with something?

Fucking make them go, listen, debate or kick their ass out.

some_guy ,

I was extremely angry when whatever dipshit was photographed playing angry birds or some shit from behind during a legislative session. My mother (a conservative apologist) tried to excuse the behavior. I told her that if I’d done the same at any number of menial-labor jobs that I’d had, I’d lose my job. Fuck these people.

anarchy79 ,
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Fuck the system that enables them. Those conservative cunts want a civil war. I say let’s go, and finish them off properly this time, instead of letting them go back to their homes with their weapons and let them continue the last war behind the scenes for over a hundred years without anyone catching on again.

Look at Germany pre- and post 2nd World War.

Night and day.

Because we didn’t fuck around that time around.

CileTheSane ,
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Because it’s what their constituents want them to do. The voters aren’t holding them to a higher standard and will re-elect.

anarchy79 ,
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Their constituents are completely unaware because they’re uneducated and struggling with keeping their homes and pay off astronomical medical debts due to that one ingrown toenail a decade ago.

All they know is that their eternal rulers since a hundred years blame someone else, and the power of the church cements their inclination not to rock the boat and “stick together”.

Who can blame them in a two party state? We have one alternative party more than Russia, or China.

anarchy79 ,
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It’s like when the government refuses to comment on something. Motherfucker you are a servant of the state, you are under our mandate. We tell you to speak, you fucking speak you dancing fucking monkey.

We need a new system. We can’t be running shit the same way in the AI age and a global population of, what, 9 billion?

Our old systems of governance did NOT scale.

Consider the population of the US in the 1700’s. We have about a hundred times that now, but the same amount of representatives.

That means that every representative today has power over a hundred times more people than originally when the constitution was written.

That changes everything.

boeman ,

No… The house of representatives has grown multiple times with the last permanent growth in 1913. It did temporarily grow by 2 when Alaska and Hawaii were made states, but went back to 435 after those states got their appropriations of representatives.

StayDoomed ,

A lot of time the government refuses to comment on something because doing so would conflict with law, undermine an active criminal or civil case, or they are still working on it.

Saying “the government” in one broad general statement shows some degree of ignorance as to how the very systems you say “do not scale” work.

Yeah big parts of it are fucked up. A lot of politicians are power hungry sociopaths. But there are a whole lot of civil servants that work their asses off every day for below market rate pay in spite of how fucked up it is trying to make it better in a tangible way.

Maybe saying “the political system” might be more accurate than “the government” because a lot of the government is working pretty well despite the political system being so fucked up.

jpreston2005 ,

A single Republican even bothered to stay to listen to her. Kudos to Sen. Ken Bennett for that, albeit small, act.

KillingTimeItself ,

cant wait until someone proposes a gun ban, on the precedent of the abortion ban. Will be a funny day.

aidan ,

But that doesn’t really make sense, there is no federal law about abortion, the constitution protects gun ownership.ax

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    anarchy79 ,
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    I’m with you my man, but you’re speaking to a bunch of 17-year old furry tumblerinas in here, you need to take that into consideration.

    KillingTimeItself ,

    yeah, that’s my point.

    There was a federal law about abortion. We dont have it anymore.

    aidan ,

    Except it was written nowhere near as explicitly.

    KillingTimeItself ,

    idk man it was pretty explicit, considering the fact that the second it was removed, legislation went into place in order to ban it on a state level. Seems pretty explicit to me.

    aidan ,

    Wdym? The SCOTUS ruling was explicit, the constitution never mentioned it though.

    KillingTimeItself ,

    yeah, idk if you noticed, but generally, theres this pretty cool thing about the US government where its really fucking bloated, and so anything can come from anywhere. It’s not like amendments are set in stone either. I mean slavery would be a thing still otherwise, and women wouldn’t have rights.

    aidan ,

    Yeah no but amendments have to be explicitly changed.

    KillingTimeItself ,

    so did roe v wade.

    aidan ,

    Well it was

    KillingTimeItself ,

    yup. What makes you think any part of the constitution is any different? Shit wasn’t written by god and this isnt the catholic church.

    aidan ,

    Because once the state ignores the law binding it, the people might as well too. The bill of rights is the protections of the people.

    KillingTimeItself ,

    well see thats the thing, you don’t ignore it, you just make it not apply anymore.

    aidan ,

    Wdym? Like pass an amendment? Yeah that’s an option just nobody’s really pushing for that

    KillingTimeItself ,

    yeah exactly, all it takes is people pushing for it. That’s it.

    aidan ,

    It would be difficult

    KillingTimeItself ,

    literally everything the government does is difficult.

    aidan ,

    Not in the same way

    KillingTimeItself ,

    hence the fact that it has multiple branches, that all do different things

    MJKee9 ,

    Technically, both gun ownership rights and abortion rights were based on supreme Court interpretation of the 2nd and 14th amendments (respectively). Given the reversal of the right to abortion under the 14th amendment, an argument could be made that a similar reversal is due for the 2nd amendment as well. The 2nd amendment could simply be interpreted to mean that gun ownership is only a right as part of a "well regulated militia.'. In my opinion, that is the plain meaning of the provision anyway, but I’m just a gun toting liberal that doesn’t get sexually aroused or validated by the size of my firearm.

    I_Clean_Here ,

    What a bullshit country. Absolutely embarrassing.

    brlemworld ,

    Their plan is working. We’re too busy talking about basic rights while they fuck us over on shit like climate change and education.

    Donjuanme ,

    Yes, but I’m not going to let them lynch, deport or force birth on any of my homies. If they want to burn the planet down they’re in the same shit we are, but they aren’t being effected by the changes to basic rights that they’re proposing.

    tb_ ,
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    If they want to burn the planet down they’re in the same shit we are.

    They have considerably more wealth. If/when food and water get scarce they’ll have a considerable advantage, if the current system continues as it is.

    CileTheSane ,
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    If/when food and water get scarce their money won’t mean shit, and the people with nothing left to lose will start looking at the people with a whole to lose.

    tb_ ,
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    The cost of living is already going up and people are already dying unnecessarily, the rich aren’t nearly as affected by it.

    Stop talking about the “apocalypse” as if they have no way to prepare for it.

    derpgon ,

    Hell, they are attacking from all sides. Fucked by bills, groceries, income, taxes, every-fucking-thing. I struggle to grasp if there is a side that isn’t being attacked.

    AnalogyAddict ,

    If there is, don’t mention it out loud, or it will be next.

    anarchy79 ,
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    Divide and conquer. The only ones not under attack are the rich who instigate all of this.

    We need to find them and introduce head removing machinery in their immediate vicinity. But everyone’s like nooo, violence is not the answer, think of the property owners who have to pay for their interior redecorating.

    anarchy79 ,
    @anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

    Bruh, we are busy discussing our fucking genital identities and who to gets to fuck whom.

    I wish it was about climate and education, but literally both sides think they’re immune to propaganda and are on the right side of history.

    FunkPhenomenon ,

    cant she go to another State? Senators, most of them anyway, are on the take and usually have a great deal of liquidity.

    badcommandorfilename ,

    Maybe she should move to another country. That’s what I’d do.

    FunkPhenomenon ,

    kind of difficult to be a Senator in America if you live in a different country

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Why should that be the answer for any woman, no matter what their income?

    sailingbythelee ,

    That’s a workaround, not a fix.

    IamSparticles ,

    Look up, that’s the point going over your head. Also, she’s a senator in the Arizona state legislature, not the US Congress.

    FunkPhenomenon ,

    all senators are corrupt. it’s part of the political process.

    JackiesFridge ,
    @JackiesFridge@lemmy.world avatar

    Well of course. No human being would actually use her personal struggle to call attention to the need for systemic change. Let’s just complain the government is corrupt so we can dismiss it all and justify our own complacency.

    FunkPhenomenon ,

    exactly

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Tell us, please, about how Bernie Sanders is a corrupt senator.

    anarchy79 ,
    @anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

    That dude is OG American Idealist. Fucker never strayed from his principles, and the principles are humane and sound.

    Of COURSE he can’t be president. The Confederacy won because they didn’t stop fighting when the US declared victory and let them all go home with their weapons.

    Why is it that it’s always the Southern states who are all about keeping their guns to “avert tyranny” even though they live under literal tyranny?

    Because they see the Union as the tyrant, and they use the Union’s charter against the Union they want to “protect” themselves from.

    The civil war never ended, they just kept waging it through other means.

    I mean, “starve the beast”, “southern strategy”, and rednecks obviously killed Kennedy.

    DMBFFF ,
    @DMBFFF@lemmy.world avatar

    She added that, if GOP lawmakers are unwilling to respond to the reproductive health care needs of women, she hopes that voters will get a chance later this year. A push to enshrine the right to abortion in the state’s constitution is well on its way to qualifying for the November ballot.

    state_electrician ,

    The GOP is running on a platform of hate and misery. Sadly too many people are fully behind that.

    rbesfe ,

    Too many, but not a majority. Important to remember that.

    Nom ,

    They’re also quite loud, and violent too.

    kent_eh ,

    Specifically, remember that coming up to the election.

    And remind your friends to get off their asses and vote.

    FiniteBanjo ,

    Aren’t they all Democratic Senators? I feel like Democrat or DNC and Democratic shouldn’t be as interchangeable as they are, it took more effort to type less clearly.

    alekwithak , (edited )

    None of them are democratic, they’re actually all Republican.

    …Because they’re representatives… In a republic. I was being literal. Yeesh, tough room.

    Bob_Robertson_IX ,

    Further, it could be said that they are all republicans who act in a democratic manner.

    Feathercrown ,

    Oh screw off with this. Bernie is republican? Come on man.

    theneverfox ,

    He is a representative in a republic… That’s just a fact

    It’s also not the same as being a Republican

    Feathercrown ,

    Yeah, he used capital R though so…

    theneverfox ,

    I took that as an implication that our political parties have stupid names

    Ghostalmedia ,
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    Any elected politician in the US is part of a democratic republic. So you could technically call them all “democratic” and “republicans.”

    It is what it is, that’s why we say “small d,” “capital D,” “small r,” and “capital R.”

    The system of government is a democratic republic, the two many parties are the Democratic Party and the Republican Party.

    KevonLooney ,

    This is the influence of Rush Limbaugh. He wanted people to say “the Democrat party” instead of “the Democrats”. It sounds like “rat” and “democratic” is generally a good thing.

    I actually forgot his name and had to look up “conservative radio host drugs”. Brought him up right away.

    Always make sure to call it the Democratic party as a FU to him.

    FiniteBanjo ,

    Once again, just DNC is easier and much more clear. Plus, if anybody emphasizes the rat in Democratic it doesn’t make me think less of democracy it makes me think less of that person.

    Pan_Ziemniak ,

    DNC is reserved for the party leadership. The democrats i encounter in the real world may or may not identify with the party leadership (e.x. the democrats i meet over the age of 65 tend to identify with Kennedy, not Schumer.)

    go_go_gadget ,

    What exactly is “Democratic” about the Democratic party?

    fushuan ,

    The name. Same way Republicans work for the people republic just in the name.

    As someone outside of the US, the amount of deceptive naming there is in your country is insane.

    ChicoSuave ,

    Conservative voters clearly want some sort of change but aren’t articulate enough to know what it is or eloquent enough to ask. They want someone to get into the government and fuck up the process as an act of protest. But they don’t know how to ask for that. Instead they vote in the loud, viscous remains of a person with a fragile ego to be the damage they want done to those who they think wronged them.

    Cruelty is the point.

    GraniteM ,

    The issue is that a lot of people have every good reason to be pissed at the state of the world and to be angry that it isn’t changing for the better. The Republicans sure aren’t ever going to make things better, but their entire marketing technique is based on harnessing that anger. Democrats, on the other hand, seem to mostly be afraid of even acknowledging that the anger and its causes even exist, and that’s one of their biggest weaknesses.

    go_go_gadget ,

    “We’re the Democrats we can’t possibly be responsible for any of this frustration and anger. Also have you heard those young people talking about workers rights and not supporting genocide? Ah to be young and naive.”

    IvanOverdrive ,

    The cruelty is the point.

    girlfreddy ,
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    As is being an asshole. Yet they still get voted into office.

    theangryseal ,

    But we can’t let the Trans Cult of Black Lesbian Gayness win or Jesus will cry!!!

    ShaggySnacks ,

    I would support the Trans Cult of Black Lesbian Gayness. However my support is tied up with the Non-Binary Indigenous and Asian Peoples Alliance.

    theangryseal ,

    They get enough support!

    Join a real alliance! :p

    anarchy79 ,
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    I wish both sides would understand how manufactured that ridiculous pseudoconversation is.

    CileTheSane ,
    @CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

    A Democrat suffered? I’m sure they consider this an absolute win.

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