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MehBlah ,

The story of piggie little and his panic attack.

orphiebaby ,

c/nottheonion

TheOakTree ,

Sorry folks… I dropped something.

My bad.

systemguy_64 ,

It’s more than the Uvalde cops did at least

wildcardology ,

Firing indiscriminately at an area without a clear sight of the suspect?

Showroom7561 ,

One commenter added some critical context to the story:

I actually just read about this, early today. I think two things were involved here, neither of which were mentioned in this article:

The officer served (2) tours overseas. Seeing the lasting affects a tour in Afghanistan has had on a relative, I believe this officer has undiagnosed PTSD which impacted his reaction here.

The officers had reason to believe Jackson owned/possessed a firearm with a suppressor. The sound of a suppressed 9mm isn’t terribly dissimilar from an acorn falling on sheet metal.

Skyrmir ,

Doesn’t matter if it was a perfect replay of an exact recording of the weapon they expected to be facing. He emptied a clip into an unknown target with no visual confirmation.

Showroom7561 ,

PTSD will do that. Not an excuse, but a possible explanation.

wildcardology ,

They patted the suspect before cuffing and putting him in the car.

Scrof ,

So it’s a story about the absolute state of mental healthcare in the US after all.

Showroom7561 ,

Especially for veterans.

BobGnarley ,

A pistol with a suppressor on it is still loud as fuck though. You would have been able to hear it in the cam footage. Also, these are the kinds of situations that happen when you get soldiers trained to kill to come back and play police duty with civilians. Its inexcusable, even if he does have PTSD.

Koordinator_O ,
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Fact is that guns with silencers are still really loud with silencers, correct. Not like in the movies… with normal ammunition. In that case, the sonic boom is what you hear. But with subsonic ammunition and a slightly larger silencer it is really very quiet and can sound like in the video or in movies almost. It’s hard to find on youtube because very few people want to shoot with such weak cartridges + with a silencer additionally, but if you’re really interested you can find it. If I remember after work I can look for another demonstration and post it here. if you are interested.

Koordinator_O ,
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youtube.com/shorts/_1GRjRH9tKA? youtu.be/9c36ujvK9bs? basically just the mechanical parts that are audible. still not like the movies but pretty close. In person i felt like it’s actually less loud than in these vids depending on the gun.

spirinolas ,

Fire that cop and give the acorn a badge.

iAvicenna ,
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empties one full magazine on the car, not a single hit Would you like to enlist in the imperial army?

rekabis ,

Dude should have applied to be a Stormtrooper. Would have fit right in, got to wear a snazzy set of white armor, black little pew-pew laser rifle, the works.

iAvicenna ,
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and he can create all the drama he wants and no one will say a thing “The rebel scums were shooting at me!”

Cornpop ,

If you’re that scared you have no business being a cop. What a fucking idiot thinks he got shot too.

stoly ,

This is what happens when you spend your life fantasizing about how you’re a hero under constant attack.

Huckledebuck ,

Those were sweet rolls, though.

stoly ,

LOL it reminded me of those people who dress up in mismatched tactical gear.

rekabis ,

To any who might doubt this: this us-vs-them hostile attitude against the public at large is exactly how they train members.

It even exists within Canada’s RCMP, FFS.

Omegamanthethird ,
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It’s literally what the “thin blue line” represents which all the police has swapped in place of “protect & serve”. And that’s ignoring the racist undertones.

postmateDumbass ,

Tbf The acorn sounded like a bag of Skittles

Dra ,

Why did he say “I’m hit”

Darken ,
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    Jimmyeatsausage ,

    Sunshine laws…shit happens everywhere, Florida just isn’t embarrassed enough to keep it private.

    cheese_greater ,

    He probably got it from South Park with the “its coming this way” defense for hunting out of season

    NikkiDimes ,

    THE ACORNS ARE COMIN’ RIGHT FER US!

    Crack0n7uesday ,

    This is Chewbacca, Chewbacca is a wookie…

    cheese_greater ,

    First rule of the Chewbaca defense: you don’t elaborate upon invocation of the Chewbaca defense

    Hadriscus ,

    but is a wookie a bear ?

    stoly ,

    Because he’s a hysterical fucking moron who believes himself to be some for of hero warrior.

    cheese_greater ,

    Officer and ACORN are a dangerous aural combination to some folks

    Ultraviolet ,

    Cops are trained to say that before shooting as a psychological trick to manipulate witnesses. Your brain doesn’t perfectly record the order of events in a situation like that, so to make sense of things you’re likely to misremember one or more of the gunshots being before the “I’m hit” rather than correctly remember that the cop shot first.

    Pantsofmagic ,

    “It’s coming right for us!” -South Park hunting episode

    Death_Equity ,

    Reading the article is hard.

    … felt a “tingliness” all along the side of his body. He then said his “legs just give out” and he fell to the ground, assuming that he had been seriously injured by something.

    Dra ,

    My bad, just watched the vid on another thread and was asking here

    sagrotan ,
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    The next evolution of “Florida man” is “Florida cop”. A wild acorn appears. Florida cop uses “9mm Glock”. Is is not very effective.

    phoenixz ,

    So where exactly did he fire at? The site itself is crap and the way it’s written it sounds almost made up. Not saying that it is, Florida police officer shooting at acorns sounds about right, but do we have a better source?

    Furbag ,

    He shot at his own squad car. I guess he assumed the suspect inside that they had already performed a search on earlier was firing from within.

    m0darn , (edited )

    He shot at the unarmed, and handcuffed suspect he had locked in his car.

    In the video it also looks like there is an officer or bystander down range. Like if you pause the video and forget the context it would not be obvious if he was sitting at the car or pedestrian.

    RampantParanoia2365 ,

    …the video is right in the article.

    Fiona ,
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    If US police is this incompetent, the only real solution is to take their guns away. It works in the UK.

    And yes, there are more guns in general in the US, but that means that the police needs to be BETTER at deescalation than in the UK, not worse.

    (Also: Obviously there are exceptions for specialized units in the UK, and the same would have to happen in the US, but your standard run-of-the-mill cop really doesn’t need more than pepper-spray and a stick.)

    phoenixz ,

    How about we also give them actual training? You know, basic 4 year training like in Europe, to become basic police officer, additional training to become more, and not the “6 months and here is your gun” as they do in the US?

    Fiona ,
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    That too.

    Jax , (edited )

    If you look into this story a little further, it turns out that there are a few things to consider.

    One, this is actually the result of training. The man served two tours overseas, this is quite literally what he’s trained to do. Do you have any idea what a gunshot sounds like from far away? Because it’s not exactly a clear sound, and there are a shitload of different bullets (and gun barrels, compensators, silencers, sub sonic ammunition as an even further layer) to make different noise. When you’re used to being shot at from far away, yeah a sound like this actually does sound like you’re being shot at. I could also easily see someone mistaking it for a bullet landing near them.

    He also describes experiencing a tingly sensation and thinking something was wrong with his left(? going from memory, lazy) side. It very much sounds like he had a PTSD attack.

    Lastly, he resigned during the course of the investigation into the shooting. Not to mention, the investigation into him concluded that no he should not have unloaded his firearm after hearing an acorn hit the car.

    Should he be a cop? Fuck no! He likely has undiagnosed PTSD and should be getting help, not putting himself into circumstances where he is much more likely to be shot at.

    However this is not the result of incompetence. This man is a military veteran. He will likely be more proficient with firearms than you or I ever will be. You need to stop thinking of cops as pigs in tight bullet proof vests. This guy, and there are absolutely others like him, is not at all untrained.

    Jimmyeatsausage ,

    I’ll preface this saying that I own firearms and I spent 11 years in the military, I’ve had people shoot in my general direction, but I’ve bever been in a firefight.

    Police and military operate in different environments that require different skillsets and different training. People expect, incorrectly, that police are there to protect citizens (this isn’t a rant about them protecting only the owner class…the judicial branch has upheld that police had no duty to protect). IF they had a duty to protect, they wouldn’t be allowed to open fire without a target in site and awareness of what was beyond that target and endangered when they miss that target.

    Hearing a gunshot is not a valid excuse for randomly discharging your weapon.

    I’m glad nobody was hurt, and I really hope the VA or some other organization is able to help this guy recover from his combat trauma. The department that hired him should have done better, and I hope they revisit their candidate screening policy…

    foofy ,

    He may have PTSD and he may have had 1,000 hours of firearms training, but if you empty your magazine the way he did, under the circumstances he did, you’re incompetent to be a police officer. Period.

    And even he apparently recognizes that since he resigned (though whether he’ll just go get hired the next town over is probably a decent bet).

    Shard ,

    This is the result of having minimal training and not having enough training to be competent.

    His description of legs feeling weak and tingly are that of an adrenaline dump.

    i.e officer has been trained in handling firearms but not “stress innoculated” he’s not been trained to respond properly in a stressful situation.

    His firearm handling is also below an acceptable standard. He emptied his mag without so much as landing a single hit on the car and when he goes to reload fumbles numerous times, isn’t sure if he wants to reload or find cover and does both badly.

    trustnoone ,

    Imo this is a key problem with police in the US. You’re meant to take something like this video, analyse it, grow from it and provide a better procedure/training in what to do in that sort of situation so that it is more safe for both police and the public in the future.

    Instead you get “police tried to stop a robber by shooting into a crowded street, two civilians were killed and the robber only has slight injuries”. And the police response is “oh we have qualified immunity, this is actually whats meant to happen, we stopped the robber didn’t we etc etc etc” and nothing is learnt.

    15liam20 ,

    Take their guns away and give them acorns.

    BobGnarley ,

    I mean fuck cops for sure but UKs gun laws are extremely strict for civilians I think you can only have antiques, even. In america there is guns everywhere. That kid you’re frisking and giving a hard time could have daddy’s pistol in his backpack. Its just a different environment in us

    echodot ,

    Perhaps you shouldn’t be giving him a hard time then? Perhaps you should politely ask to check him.

    Every single time I’ve ever watched US cops deal with the situation they always seem to escalate it they get their guns out and start yelling immediately. I’ve seen situations where the suspect is being entirely cooperative and they’re still yelling. What are they trying to prove at that point?

    Shut the hell up, calm down, and actually evaluate the situation.

    BobGnarley ,

    Dude I hate cops with a burning passion but yeah for sure you should just go into North St Louis or Southside Chicago and just be real nice to everyone. That’s gonna work.

    Malfeasant ,

    What you’re asking for requires intelligence, which is actively selected against by most police departments in the US.

    Karyoplasma ,

    What a very composed and calm individual that is perfectly suited for a job as a public servant.

    Bluefalcon ,

    The few, the proud, the acorn popper.

    HelixDab2 ,

    From other accounts, he had arrested a suspect, handcuffed and searched them, and put them in the back of the squad car, and apparently thought that the suspect–the one they’d searched, cuffed, and locked in the car–was shooting at him. So, in his mind, he was returning fire.

    I gotta ask - did he hit the guy in the car? Did he even his his car? Where did the bullets all end up? When you start shooting in public, you’re supposed to be responsible for each on of those pieces of lead.

    Hiccups2go ,

    Saw a comment somewhere else that the guy in the police cruiser somehow didn’t get any bullets in him.

    NegativeInf ,

    Ahh, so this cop is a storm trooper. That tracks.

    HelixDab2 ,

    I just did a 2 gun match over the weekend. Gossip among the competitors was that two of the guys there were cops from the Atlanta suburbs, and that they withdrew after the first stage because it was “too hard”.

    Yeah, it was a hard match, but that was the point.

    echodot ,

    Wait did you shoot at his own car? That’s amazing.

    Hagdos ,

    The guy in the car was not hit, but mentally fucked up, according to a better news article I just found on Reddit a few minutes ago.

    wildcardology ,

    Both officers riddled the cop car with bullets at the front and back of the car. None hit the guy at the back seat of the car who immediately ducked on the floor.

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