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Trump claims he didn’t have ‘fair notice’ that Georgia actions could be illegal

The former president files several fresh motions to toss out Fulton County election interference charges

Attorneys for Donald Trump claim that the former president didn’t have “fair notice” that his attempts to reverse his Georgia loss in the 2020 presidential election could result in criminal charges against him.

A flurry of filings in Fulton County Superior Court on Monday argue that the sprawling election interference case against Mr Trump “consists entirely of core political speech at the zenith of First Amendment protections”.

Attorneys for the former president want the case dismissed on grounds that he has “presidential immunity” from actions while in office, that he was already acquitted for similar allegations in his second impeachment trial, and that he was never told that what he was doing in the state – where he is charged as part of an alleged racketeering scheme to unlawfully subvert the state’s election results – could be prosecuted.

st3ph3n ,

We’ve been told pretty much forever that ignorance of the law is no defense, so shut the fuck up, Donny.

PrefersAwkward ,
@PrefersAwkward@lemmy.world avatar

“stfu Donny, you’re out of your element” … “life does not stop and start at your convenience you miserable piece of shit.”

nbafantest ,

I’m pretty certain we know his lawyers told him it was illegal

poprocks ,

I’m pretty sure a 5 yr old could have told him it’s illegal.

detalferous ,

How awesome would it be to have testimony to this effect

KneeTitts ,
@KneeTitts@lemmy.world avatar

To be fair they likely told him after the call, I dont think any of them assumed he was just going to blurt out some insane crimes on a phone call like that

jeremyparker ,

Yeah but they told him when he wasn’t paying attention, so, that’s on them.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, but he employed the presidential right of “nuh-uh” and did it anyway.

Furbag ,

This defense doesn’t even work in the context of his specific case. He was told by staffers that what he was attempting to do was illegal and he made the phone call anyway. How much “fair notice” do you need to double check that you’re not committing a crime when told by people whose job it is to do all of the research for you ahead of time?

Ignorance of the law is not a defense for breaking it, and this should be as damning as a confession of guilt.

AstridWipenaugh ,

He knows all this. This is just more nonsense to drag it out. The court can’t just say “shut the fuck up Donny” and move forward else he’ll claim unfair treatment. So they have to accept the motions and take the time to carefully disqualify them. This is just a tactic to cast more doubt on the proceedings and make it take longer so he can complain about how they’re dragging it out to make him look bad because he’s innocent and they don’t have the evidence to convict.

BradleyUffner ,

Ahh, it’s the old “you never prosecuted me for anything before, you can’t start now” defense.

RizzRustbolt ,

The “Chappelle’s White Friend” defense.

drmeanfeel ,

Well that’s not very Party Law and Order of you Donald

SoupBrick ,

They are just dragging this out as long as humanly possible in hopes that trump will win the election. It is kinda sad seeing how incompetent the US court systems have become. I know this is a very sensitive case, but the violence they fear will occur should be treated as the terrorism it is. We shouldn’t have to worry about violent retribution from lead poisoned adults with guns if their god is not crowned king.

profoundninja ,

Human so morally bankrupt needs minimum notice period before committing crimes otherwise it’s unfair to judge him on said crimes.

Right…

GladiusB ,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

I wasn’t told killing someone was a bad thing before I did it your honor…

beebarfbadger ,

You didn’t tell me ahead that I wasn’t supposed to murder anybody, so this one’s free…

medicsofanarchy ,
@medicsofanarchy@lemmy.world avatar

Wait a minute, can this be considered a confession? “Yes, I did it, BUT…” ?

Uglyhead , (edited )
@Uglyhead@lemmy.world avatar

Narcs Prayer (again):

That didn’t happen.

And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.

And if it was, that’s not a big deal.

And if it is, that’s not my fault. <——

And if it was, I didn’t mean it.

And if I did, you deserved it.

__

These are more of phases or stages of malignant NPD thinking. They can circle and circle and mix around again and again kind of like the ‘5 Stages of Grief’ can do.

unreasonabro ,

Ignorance of the law has always been my excuse, he says from jail

dQw4w9WgXcQ ,

After getting caught in a bank robbery, stealing thousands of dollars and traumatizing bystanders, the robber can just say: “No one gave me a fair notice this was illegal”

Is that pretty much the level of this claim?

pachrist ,

I’d be like entering Fast 5 into evidence.

See your honor? The good guys were the robbers! They also love America and occasionally fuck members of their family.

BeautifulMind ,
@BeautifulMind@lemmy.world avatar

“Can’t tell if obviously-criminal things are illegal”, and “still thinks he should be president” 🤡

IphtashuFitz ,

So, the “whoops, my bad” defense now?

SaltySalamander ,
@SaltySalamander@kbin.social avatar

Ignorance of the law does not absolve you of the consequences for breaking that law.

orbitz ,

Didn’t it work for Trump Jr and the Russian meeting? Like they couldn’t prove that Jr knew the meeting was illegal behind the flimsy excuse of adoptions. Not that I don’t agree, just some people seem to get away with it and this family seems to have unlimited avoid jail cards when either the avalanche of legal filings (according to contractors he’s stiffed) or whining doesn’t work.

lolcatnip ,

There are specific laws where having certain knowledge is required to break them, but as far as I know, that knowledge never includes the law itself.

III ,

Can’t wait for SCOTUS to make affluenza a valid legal defense. \s

dhork ,

“Our country has a longstanding tradition of forceful political advocacy regarding widespread allegations of fraud and irregularities in a long list of presidential elections throughout our history, therefore, President Trump lacked fair notice that his advocacy in the instance of the 2020 presidential election could be criminalized,” according to his attorneys.

Calling what he did “political advocacy” is a bit like calling what Jeffrey Dahmer did an “alternative diet”…

Nougat ,

I'm pretty sure everyone in the federal government has had plenty of notice, since the US Constitution grants States the sole authority to operate elections.

Granite ,

I’m stealing this.

What? No one warned me that stealing was illegal!

paddirn ,

…lacked fair notice that his advocacy in the instance of the 2020 presidential election could be criminalized

They’re trying to insinuate that it was only just made illegal after the fact, like he didn’t know that trying to commit election fraud was already a crime.

AlwaysNowNeverNotMe ,
@AlwaysNowNeverNotMe@kbin.social avatar

It's a roundabout way of acknowledging that it's considered uncouth to charge rich people with their crimes.

thefartographer ,

I swear they’re about to take the Hitler defense. Just say, “yeah! We did it! We tried to overthrow the government! But only because we looooooove this country so much… And sure, sure, y’all say we’re racist, but it’s clear you don’t understand just how racist we are. We are waaaaaay more racist than you can even conceive.”

Then his idiot followers will talk about how he speaks the truth and says what’s on his mind and he’ll get locked up for, like, a year, during which time he’ll pen his horrible instruction manual on how to destroy our country.

KnightontheSun ,

Mein Kovfefe?

thefartographer ,

Shit, you copyright that title right the fuck now.

Hadriscus ,

😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

prowess2956 ,

The least realistic part of this, sadly, is the idea that he can write for himself.

thefartographer ,

“Trump needs more crayons and toilet paper for his book!”

“Wow! He must have written 100 pages by now!”

“No… He just won’t stop eating them…”

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

He could just get Epsteined when he’s in there. That would be unfortunate and completely unforeseen.

Hadriscus ,

I’d be surprised he is a liability to anyone in power but himself…

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