Seditious conspiracy comes with a max 20 years sentence (for one charge). Most people that day were caught up in the events as they unfolded without thinking through their actions and understanding what they were doing, to various degrees. They didn’t wake up that day to start a coup but they did follow along with it, thus they were guilty but given leniency and their sentences were greatly reduced to reflect that. Those people got their 1-3 years for partaking.
Unlike those individuals this guy didn’t just wake up knowing a coup would happen that day, he actually organized it. Through his direction actions and that of his co-conspirators the events of January 6th unfolded thanks to his efforts. Him and his co-conspirators who organized and created this coup are indirectly responsible for the violence that followed that day. So his sentencing wasn’t lenient because of his leadership role coupled with the violence that occured he was given a stronger sentence.
In the off chance you know - The fucker who planted shitty bombs in the important rooms - is he considered an opportunist or part of the group? Is the insanity of almost-bombing the entirety of Congress considered part of the “coup attempt”?
I don’t remember most details. I only remember bombs were found, but they weren’t very good bombs.
I imagine they would have to be part of the conspiracy to have planted them when they did otherwise it would be a really big coincidence. Also I am not 100% sure of everything that happened but it looks like they were planted at the DNC and RNC HQ’s so I don’t think they would have affected Congress. Also, from looking at some information from the FBI it looks like these devices were never intended to go off but instead possibly used for diversions.
It’s also possible they just never had a chance to use them as things didn’t go according to their plans that day.
So… do you think he has the objectivity to regret all of his actions yet? Not regret as in that he did anything morally wrong because he’s far too much a narcissist to think that. But rather regret that he put himself in the crosshairs to be actually held to account for the first time when he’s previously been able to mostly get away with criminal shit his whole life.
If he hadn’t run for office, he could have continued to be just another sleazeball rich gangster wannabe in New York and probably lived out the rest of his life without any real consequences for being a piece of shit. He’d have been insulated by low expectations and mostly being a forgettable joke of a man. But now that he poses a real and ongoing danger to the public and democracy itself, people are motivated to hold him liable for his dozens of crimes in several major high profile cases.
Do you think he wishes he’d have just stayed in Manhattan and continued screwing people over in his property deals and business schemes? I bet it keeps him up at night, and it should.
Remember the look on his face when he won? He was horrified! Same when he first met with Obama and they had a joint press conference. His body language was like, "oh fuck, what am I even doing here."
I think regret is hard for him though, because to regret something means you have to feel, in some way, you could have done something better or differently. You have to take ownership of bad feelings and in your part of bad outcomes. I just don't think his brain will let that happen. Everything bad is always someone else's fault.
But yeah...maybe in some dark, cobweb encrusted corner of his mind, he wishes he was just a NY scam artist and fake "tycoon." It served him well enough, as you noted.
He’s incapable of all those feelings. His personality disorders won’t allow him to feel regret or remorse. On another note his personality disorder absolutely will not allow him to not respond to this decision by defaming Ms Carroll again.
I agree with the people saying he didn’t really plan or expect to win, but I think you have to at least balance that with the fact that becoming president brought him more fame, more power, the adoration of millions of (disgusting) people, new avenues for bilking people out of their money, etc. No matter what the price that’s gone along with it, I don’t see any possibility that he regrets running/winning. As always, he just blames other people for anything bad that came from it
His ego is more important than his instincts of self-preservation. He ran on spite because he fucking hated Obama for some reasons, maybe for dunking on him on that special dinner. Anyway, he’s too busy being in constant war mode to ever self-reflect. He thinks all he ever did is perfect, it’s all Biden’s fault you know.
IIRC he had to put the money in trust to appeal the first verdict, so she probably already has it her her bank account. He has way too much property to be judgement-proof.
That's great! I hope so. If it's not in a trust, even without being judgement-proof it can be difficult to get people to pay anything, like you have to pay people to physically seize their property or file additional lawsuits.
I know all of this is important, but I can’t get past the mention of something called “olive oil infused coffee” without being too thoroughly disgusted with humanity to continue.
They already found him guilty in the 2022 defamation case. The 2019 case is for the same thing (at a different time, he did it more than once) so the judgement effectively covers both cases. He’s already been found guilty, now it’s just time to determine damages. Again.
And if he keeps repeating the same lies, they’ll keep charging him. Now it’s just a game of “will he stfu or go broke first?” My chips are on “broke”.
Not a Trump hater, nor a fan of most of the prosecutions against him, but we all should have seen this coming, given both his notorious sexual past alongside the earlier ruling that sided with E. Jean Carroll regarding this matter:
Not parent commentor, but I hate to see prosecutions feed the news cycle for visibility and outrage. Plus, it fires up the base. Def a dual edged sword.
I was the only one in my subway car with a mask on this morning. It’s going to spread like wild fire again. Hopefully there will be less hospitalizations.
His lawyers are almost undoubtedly requiring retainer fees to cover everything. There’s no way they’d be stupid enough to work on contingency or expect to collect payment after the fact. He’s probably having to write them new checks for every single week that they continue working on his case, and I can guarantee that they’re getting the bank to verify those checks before they actually accept them.
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