The House bill gives them a pay raise for CoLA, and doesn't include support for Ukraine. They'd promised earlier this year that every bill would have 72 hours to be read and reviewed; they introduced this one and called for a vote minutes later. Fuck the Republicans.
The House bill gives them a pay raise for CoLA, and doesn't include support for Ukraine. They'd promised earlier this year that every bill would have 72 hours to be read and reviewed; they introduced this one and called for a vote minutes later. Fuck the Republicans.
$100 credit is miniscule in comparison to the price of the board. The whole situation can FOH. I don’t push my lil pint x past 16mph tbh, and even that can feel slightly sketchy depending on ground conditions.
EUCs that go 30+ mph have way bigger wheel diameter than OW, way more power, and a lot of recent models have suspension. Also wearing proper protection is essential.
Aren’t the early models the only ones that can actually be modified and repaired using consumer available parts? Seems kind of fishy to me that those are the only ones that are being binned.
Someone discovered they can gain repeat customers if they issued a “recall” and offered a money tree seed to those who have been the longest holdouts on updating.
My understanding of Onewheel was that it’s for going slower over more rugged terrain (backyard type, not mountain trail) while others were for flatter, paved roads and trails you can go fast on.
It seems to me that people just don’t understand how self-balancing systems work.
This is my impression as well. Part of this problem is surely an operator error issue, combined with the inherent way these self balancing machines work. Sure, warnings and limiters can be added in software but this can never actually supersede the laws of physics. Where there’s a will to fuck up, someone will find it. And also, like, wear a fuckin’ helmet.
So, if you ride your Onewheel to the absolute top end of its motor’s maximum speed such that it has no reserve power left with which to balance you, well, you can potentially eat shit. But, try flying down a big hill on a regular bicycle and needing to come to a stop, so you grab both brake levers as hard as you can. Guess what happens if you do that? So, where’s my recall on every single bicycle ever manufactured in the world, ever, due to the “design flaw” of having to obey physics? (Yes, I am aware fancypants mountain bikes with hydraulic brakes can now be had with ABS, if you feel like paying for it. This, perhaps, serves even more to drive home my point that no one has seen fit to recall or ban the bikes that don’t have this feature, despite it now existing.)
Part of this maybe a flaw in the product design, but another part of it is our perspective of the “acceptable” risks inherent in a particular design shifting dramatically over time, in inconsistent ways.
I think with your bikes example, one of the factors is also that riding a bike is considered one of those fundamental skills in our society. You learn it early and internalize the rules of the machine. When bikes were knew, we absolutely had more tolerance for risk, so we didn’t really care that people were getting hurt learning the ropes, and now that it’s a staple we take for granted that people will be guided early on by more experienced riders. That’s just not the case for something new. There isn’t the widespread understanding of the device or any early training. It also helps that a bike is mechanical, so it’s a bit easier to predict than something electronic, and of course the difference in safety standards now vs when bikes were new. So yeah, if bikes were just becoming a thing, we probably would feel different about their level of safety.
But I agree that anyone who wouldn’t wear a helmet on one of these probably doesn’t have much to protect up there anyway or is a literal child.
The types of biking are very well rooted in modern first world societies, especially in the US. Granted, I work with bikes, so I’m biased, take that into consideration with what I say.
MOUNTAIN biking is for? Mountains. Rugged terrain. ROAD biking is? For roads. Shocker, I know.
“hybrids” are still relatively new to a lot of people, and unfortunately standardization isn’t everywhere, but in general most people understand it as “I can go off road but I can’t go on a mountain trail”
This self balancing stuff? Still VERY new to many many people.
I do agree that a recall was probably in their best interest, as lawsuits are inevitable. Yes, a safety feature SHOULD have made it very loud and clear that you are reaching the ABSOLUTE limit and to go faster means INJURY AT BEST. Make the physical limitation higher than the software limitations, and have the safety features have a failsafe so it doesn’t just cut you off, thus faceplanting you anyway.
It could have been avoided with more education on the fundamentals of the devices and how they function. It could have been avoided with different/better safety features.
One thing is for sure, it’s a lot easier for information to spread now, so if your product has a blind spot where “less education” could lead to deaths, you can be damn sure everyone will know about it, and it won’t be just an urban legend you heard from your father’s sisters’ former roommate.
Err on the side of caution, go with the extra safety features. There’s a reason chainsaw warnings say don’t start it while holding the blade.
But this is something you buy, skim the instruction manual to figure out how to charge it, and then use it. It has the same problem that a lot of the electric scooter rentals had where people just do not know what they are using.
Mountain biking more or less got away with it because of a VERY strong marketing campaign that has done a good job of teaching people “do not take a road bike off road”
But this is something that can be solved electronically. If the suspension is getting a heavy workout that means you are likely on harsh terrain and you it should fairly rapidly decelerate to a much lower max speed. And only gradually accelerate to max speed if terrain has been fairly smooth for X meters.
No, they literally failed or never took Intro To Engineering Safety / Ethics.
It is flat out irresponsible to sell a board with a fine line between normal operation and critical failure with an anemic, easy to miss warning system, that straight up cannot kick in in some failure situations or will exacerbate the problem.
They were irresponsible morons for not including an audible alarm initially, and they were wreckless and greedy assholes for having the capability of haptic feedback but never enabling it.
As someone who has to read multiple engineering safety textbooks, this is literal textbook bad engineering and there’s a reason the CPSC isn’t going after EUC makers who included alarms on every single model.
I would still put blame on the dummies who ride these things inappropriately. I see people riding these without any protection and I cringe. I have eaten shit sooo many times on my onewheel that I cant even imagine why someone would even risk it.
I just watched a clip, and I’m trying to understand both the use and why it’s so dangerous. It certainly looks like fun, but what are the benefits?
I can see how not wearing a helmet and other PPE would be stupid. When it hits a certain speed does functionality suffer, or is it just “if you suddenly stop at this speed something in your body is breaking?”
Ehh, a small bump in the road can catch you off guard and throw off your balance if you arent prepared. The way it usually goes is you either get injured in the first few times you use it or it takes a long long time to get injured. In those first few times, if you didnt get the appropriate training on how to bail or how to turn corners then thats when people fall hard.
Its very easy to get confident on the board which is the biggest problem. It can be your first time on the board and you would think ‘wow this is so easy’. Then the second time you ride you decide no helmet and find yourself hitting a bump and flying off cracking you melon open.
They didn’t have the ability for haptic feedback at the beginning, they had to create it. There’s no haptic motor in the board, they have to use the main motor to make vibrations without effecting the ride or balance. Should they have looked into it at the beginning, yes, is it as irresponsible as not turning on a system that already exists, no.
If only they had manufacturing control over the product, they could have built it in or something.
They built the devices for years with user complaints and injuries asking for a better warning system.
And then they release a whole NEW product lineup without any safety improvements from years of experience.
This is just simping, you’re ignoring the facts and the reality and are somehow finding it understandable that a device manufacturer never manufactured devices with safety in mind, after years of being told to manufacturer devices with safety in mind…
Well, the new lineup does have a safety alarm. Unfortunately it’s uselessly quiet. You can’t hear it at all over the wind noise when going 20 mph, roughly the speed it typically goes off.
I’ve had an XR and have had 2 falls from it teetering out. I was going 17mph and hit a slight incline, it dropped me like a rock. The other time I left at 100% and it died after 2 miles I felt the pushback and then it immediately sent me to the ground and then it died, at only 12mph.
Neither case is acceptable, I wasn’t exactly pushing it to it’s limits either.
I always wear at least a helmet and wrist guards. Honestly should also have elbow guards as well.
The road surface ended up eating my elbow, side of my torso, and knee.
It all healed up fine.
I’ve had… 5 significant falls. Those two, one on a trail where I hit mud and the wheel cut sideways, one hitting one of those buckled pieces of sidewalk at night, and another on a gold course when I hit a hidden hole that stopped the board dead.
Yeah this is one where I don’t think you should ever get out. Ain’t worth it.
If it’s dependent on him being compliant with meds and doesn’t have someone constantly ensuring he’s on them, it isn’t gonna end well. What happens when he just decides he’s fine and doesn’t need them anymore?
Loose definition of a recall. Newer models are getting a software update. Older models are told to be thrown in the bin and get $100 credits to buy a new one
For early adopters, however, the CPSC and Future Motion are telling owners to stop using and discard the original Onewheel and Onewheel Plus.
For early adopters, however, owners can receive a “pro-rated credit of $100 to the purchase of a new board,” according to Mudd. The credit will only be issued after owners confirm that they have disposed of the old model.
That’s assuming cool old cheap motorcycle doesn’t have issues lol. My brother picked up a Honda CB450 years ago for about $700, and that thing had nothing but problems.
Oh absolutely agreed, if it’s bought for that purpose. My brother bought his for a primary mode of transportation to save money on gas, and yeah that didn’t exactly pan out lol
Depends, as a toy, yes, as a means of transportation, not really. I live in a dense city so it’s my main means of transport, cheaper than a car, and even bikes once you consider how often they get stolen, at least in my city. With a one wheel you can just carry it inside and not have to worry about some guy taking it.
Not worth my life though, hopefully this update fixes things.
Not worth my life though, hopefully this update fixes things.
The problem is only if you’re being reckless and pushing through pushback. Can a car manufacturer be blamed for a death is someone crashes their car after losing control while driving 120mph with no seatbelt? Seems like a user error to me.
Yeah, they are definitely safer and easier to ride. It’s just what do you do when you get to the destination? For a one wheel or skateboard you can just bring it inside the store and carry it around, or stash it under the table at a restaurant or the seat on a bus/train. Sometimes I’ll even hide it in some bushes at the park since it’s so small and unnoticeable. For a scooter they usually won’t let you bring it inside a store or onto a bus/train, and I don’t trust locking it up outside since I’m in a city with a lot of bike theft. If that’s less of a problem then a scooter might be the way to go.
Ah good point. I just got a scooter and was amazing how tiny it folds up. I didn’t think there would be an issue with taking it inside. Been a while since I held a one wheel but don’t remember them being tiny either.
I mean car recalls often don’t have the cars go fully back to the manufacturer, just to a dealer to have the part fixed or firmware updated.
For XR users they are flat out saying not to use your board until the firmware comes out, and for everyone else they’re saying not to use them until you can update the firmware.
Honestly it’s a little shady that the CPSC let them avoid issuing a recall until a firmware update was ready, but it sounds like they would have forced them to fully recall all models if they hadn’t been able to come up with haptic feedback.
$100 off of a $2000 replacement, the rest of which will have to be done out of pocket. “We’re down with offering a recall, but we had to make sure it lines our C-suite’s pockets first.”
And you wouldn’t even want wanted to replace them either because they’re completely unserviceable with digitally locked parts and a board that will brick itself if you disconnect the battery to do any sort of service.
Not in my experience it ain’t . Once an asshole always an asshole. That shits in your DNA. The most they do is go sociopathic and pretend they changed but they always crack.
Unequivocally, yes I would. I work with people who have severe psychiatric disorders pretty regularly. The difference between someone who is untreated vs. someone who is stable and adherent to their med regimen can be light years.
Part of the reason we fear people with psychiatric disorders so much is because we, as a society, fail these people. We have no reliable system for remanding them to get help, if we see signs they are decompensating. The only system we provide is one that only starts to function when they’ve reached crisis level.
That’s not their fault; it’s ours. They deserve better. A better system could have prevented this crime.
How do we fail people that would die off without continuous support?
There is a difference between pointing out that certain policies have better outcomes and ascribing moral fault to a society for the actions of an insane fringe.
You are expressing a very modern and ahistorical paradigm of what makes a human being valuable. Deep history shows us fossilized remains of people with injuries like broken femurs or no teeth that would have been absolutely fatal without continuous support. Disabled people are valuable simply because they are human every bit as much as able-bodied people are, and historically we have dedicated resources to caring for the disabled among us.
It is a very modern idea that labor is the only value a human being possesses, and that those who cannot care for themselves are worthless. What use is anything that we do, if we can’t even be bothered to care for people who cannot care for themselves? What kind of monsters does that pretend we are? And make no mistake, we all start and most of us will end our lives not being able to care for ourselves.
Personally, I view caring for the helpless as a fundamental function of humanity. And yes, we as a society fail at that function, primarily because we fail to recognize it in the first place.
People who voluntarily cause societal harm are not the same as people who suffer temporary (and relatively minor) injuries.
And no those people were not pandered to and taken care of, they were evicted from society or even killed.
“Personally I view caring for the helpless as a fundamental function of humanity”- And you would be wrong. The only fundamental function of humanity is to continue existence.
You are inserting a moral imperative to “save the helpless”. Where the “helpless” are a handful of people who attack and in this case, eat others, and of course their existence is societies fault.
Like I already said there is a difference between making a prescriptive claim that we should do something out of practicality, and a moral claim that society is responsible for the actions of the fringe.
“It’s a very modern idea”- Imagine accusing someone of ahistoricism, and then immediately make false historical statements. Infanticide and senicide have historically been quite common, it is only in modern society where we have enough labor surplus that we are willing to condemn convenient deaths. Of course this is all irrelevant since at no point was I talking about people with injuries, but rather the case of violent perpetrators actively harming others.
I almost want to ask your opinion on abortion, since you are making a deontological right-to-life argument but are directly copying left-wing arguments and phraseology^1^ and left-wingers are vehemently pro-choice, not that there is any logical rule that they should be.
Yes, you all talk the same way, make the same statements; you’re not intellectuals, you are parrots.
Perhaps my statement was too broad to be formally provable, but it is quite obvious they they are using buzzwords and arguments exclusive to a certain political sector, completely ignoring it’s lack of veracity and even applicability.
This would be like a libertarian arguing that the NAP, applies to the immorality of eating toast because it was enumerated in the Bible. A wrong argument based on false premises.
If you really cared about critical analysis then maybe you should have pointed out all the false statements made by the OP to them.
Yes, let’s listen to you, someone who most likely has no professional experience in the field of psychology, instead of a bunch of people who did study for it.
I hate to break up the circle jerk, but the dude is going to a group home. It’s not a he can live alone situation, just going from a prison facility to a regular mental health one. At most, he will probably get some supervised outings. Seems fair to me if he is stable and consistent with his meds.
You guys are acting like he's free to teach preschool or something. The dude's going to be spending his life under supervision from people who know more about him and his problems than you do.
Given the shitshow that is American healthcare, sooner. Society will fail him, he will commit another crime, everyone will be aghast at his release, and people will feel vindicated for doubting him. I’ve watched this movie before, it ends with US healthcare becoming even worse.
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