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CompassRed , in Judge delays ban on noncompete agreements for employees | CNN Business

sets a dangerous precedent where the government knows better than the markets

Wtf. You could say this about literally any law. Outlawing murder-for-hire sets a dangerous precedent where the government knows better than the markets. Making people pay income tax sets a dangerous precedent where the government knows better than the markets. Speed limits set a dangerous precedent where the government knows better than the markets. What a terrible argument.

sunzu ,

Is there any legal argument besides this?

This sounds like a personal opinion lol

Zaktor ,

It’s the Chamber of Commerce statement, so it doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with the law. It is just personal opinion.

hoshikarakitaridia , (edited )
@hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world avatar

Yes.

Under employment laws you can quit basically at any time with given notice and you can apply to any job no matter who you are or what you did before. The non compete clauses are always part of the employment contract. Usually, what’s in the contract is binding, but: there’s things that might be voided upon examination. Here things like consideration and unconscionability come into play. I assume this clause would be ruled unconscionable against employment laws, therefore the clause is basically removed from contracts after the fact and precedent allows for it to be voided upon future use.

employment laws > contract law. That’s all it boils down to I assume, just what weighs more.

A lot of European countries allow only very limited non compete clauses or none at all. Moving in that direction is not really without precedent, so there’s your legal argument.

Also obligatory IANAL, if you think I’m wrong and you got sources, please correct me. I wanna learn what I don’t know.

sunzu ,

I think we are talking about two different things. I was mainly asking for legal reason for the judge's injunction, looks like it is not a ruling but a stall tho.

She will rule later. That's what I was getting, what is the reason to disagree for the judge here.

I think you described how employment law works correctly though. non compete clause is hard to enforce in many places and for most jobs maybe save of some super red states.

But I also don't think that is their primary goal either, I would posit the goal is to "send a message" or "chill employees will to shop for work"

hoshikarakitaridia ,
@hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world avatar

Found another article with more information:

The court found that the FTC’s effort to implement the rule likely exceeds its congressional authorization under the FTC Act and constitutes an arbitrary and capricious approach to the issue of regulating non-competes.

Rather than issue a nationwide injunction barring enforcement of the rule across the country, the court’s ruling is limited to the parties in the case.

The court intends to issue a final ruling on the merits by August 30, 2024, before the FTC rule is set to go into effect. The court’s subsequent ruling may prevent the ultimate implementation of the rule on a national level.

google.com/…/federal-district-court-grants-prelim…

So basically If I understand this correctly, the court is slapping the FTC for jurisdiction and saying “until further ruling Ryan LLC can legally use their non compete clauses”.

So the judge has a vague notion to rule against the FTC but it’s not clear if they do or if it’s gonna have national consequences, as this could just as well be a case specific ruling.

So yeah, the indicators lean a little bit towards non competes staying legal, but we’re still way out from knowing what will happen.

homesweethomeMrL OP ,

Ha ha, I came to see who you were replying to but I can’t because I already blocked them. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

(Odds are good I didn’t find their style or content particularly edificatious)

sunzu ,

I think thats from the article?

corsicanguppy ,

Okay, so I can see your comment, so I’m not on the block list… Woot!

Zaktor ,

No kidding. Even regular staunch capitalists recognize that regulation is sometimes necessary. Regulation against anti-competitive practices exists because a market left to its own devices will devolve into monopolies that will be much less efficient than a competitive market. Non-competes are just employers establishing monopolies over their workforce.

sunzu ,

a market left to its own devices will devolve into monopolies

I would posit it devolves into either slavery or serfdom based on historical records. We all started "in free market" lol

Even regular staunch capitalists recognize that regulation is sometimes necessary.

Most people can't the differentiate between capitalism and free market on conceptual level

Honytawk ,

The thing is that the government absolutely knows better than the markets.

Left unchecked, markets would bring back slavery.

sunzu , in Judge delays ban on noncompete agreements for employees | CNN Business

Have the courts ever addressed the conflict between "employment at will" and this?

On side, we get rid of you when and how we please...

But you can't go get another job because "slave master has property interest in you"

It seems like "master" mentality is still very strong within elites.

jonne ,

Judges aren’t interested in being consistent, it’s just about oppressing you and upholding capital.

sunzu ,

Yes it does appear to be that way. Even when Congress does a good thing, it gets stalled or shut down.

Can't rely on elected officials to deliver proper laws, executive appears to be useless and judges will stop any progress.

How many generations of this now 2 or 3?

grue ,

How many generations of this now 2 or 3?

It’s been continuous since colonial times. It’s an unbroken thread from “indentured servitude” and “slavery,” to “sharecropping” and “vagrancy”/“convict leasing,” to “non-compete agreements” and prison labor being managed by prisons directly (instead of having inmates leased out).

sunzu ,

most people aint ready for this one lol

grue ,

To be fair, I wasn’t entirely happy with my comment either. There was something missing, and I just figured out what it was.

Along with “sharecropping” I should’ve mentioned “sweatshops,” and along with “non-compete agreements” I should’ve mentioned anti-union laws like “right-to-work” and “at-will employment.”

givesomefucks , in Drugs disguised as Taco Bell burritos found during Tennessee traffic stop

Here’s what I dont get about drug trafficking.

People always hide in regular vehicles. Why not just do a U-hail absolutely filled with shit. And waaay at the front where it would take an hour to get to, have a suitcase with it vacuum sealed inside.

A cross country uhaul explains a lot of shitty driving behaviors, and it’s almost impossible to speed.

Or are people already doing that and just not getting caught?

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

Or are people already doing that and just not getting caught?

this is actually boring. Drugs in tacos? Funny. Drugs in grandma’s UHAUL? well it depends on the grandma.

prettybunnys ,

The ones doing it well don’t get caught as much as the idiots.

peetabix , in John Deere lays off hundreds of employees, after a $10B profit year
@peetabix@lemmy.world avatar

I think we found out who ate all the pies.

FuglyDuck , in Judge delays ban on noncompete agreements for employees | CNN Business
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dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

Not everyone was a fan of the non-compete ban, this year or last. Republicans and other proponents of the clauses said they help prevent trained employees and their skills from being poached by competitors.

Wah! Pay people better and treat them like real people and they won’t need to be poached.

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

What’s hilarious is that they don’t really do all that much training anymore.

They just hire people who already have the skills. or tell people to “figure it out”. They might pay you to go to a conference or something to improve skills… if those skills are hard to come by. It’s a cost benefit analysis, and new-hires are generally cheaper.

Zaktor ,

they help prevent trained employees and their skills from being poached given optimal pay according to market forces by competitors.

This is fundamentally an anti-free-market opinion. But Republicans don’t care about markets, they care about corporations.

kamenoko ,

That’s the Free Market. Your skills to the highest bidder. Where are their strong libertarian values lol?

rhacer , in Ann Wilson, frontwoman of Heart, diagnosed with cancer

Just saw them a month ago in Louisville. It was an awesome show and Ann was in great voice.

Squirrel , in Donald Trump Jr. weirdly claims that Hurricane Beryl is nonbinary name
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Beryl is a mineral. There are definitely women with the name, and there are likely some men, too (though A Boy Named Beryl doesn’t have the same ring to it).

Maggoty , in US Bureau of Labor Statistics reports average hourly wage growth has surpassed inflation for 12 straight months

And how much of that is minimum wage going up? Don’t get me wrong I love that. But going from 15k to 20k a year is going from drowning to clinging to a piece driftwood. The full time annual take home needs to be around 40k-50k per person with all the decades of negative real wages.

FlyingSquid , in Drugs disguised as Taco Bell burritos found during Tennessee traffic stop
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Idiots should have just opened a Taco Bell considering what they charge for a burrito these days.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

I’ve sucked many a dick in sketchy back alleys for Taco Bell burritos.

xmunk ,

I took three strangers up the bum raw for a crunch wrap supreme. Fucking worth it.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

I have an extra crunch wrap…

xmunk ,

Do you have two buddies?

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

No.

xmunk ,

Do you have three dicks?

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

I barely have one.

xmunk ,

My momma raised me to have standards. I wouldn’t debase myself to getting raw dogged by only a single dick for a crunch wrap supreme. I’m worth better.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

Oh honey, I only offered a crunch wrap anyways.

You don’t seem like you’re worth the supreme upgrade.

Today ,

I held a friend’s purse many times while she gave parking lot blowies and didn’t even get a burrito.

sunzu , in Heritage Foundation president celebrates Supreme Court immunity decision: "We are in the process of the second American Revolution"

Funny how these orgs drive public discourse and narrative on both sides.

Then we sit here and argue over it.

abacab ,

They have to keep us distracted while the rich bleed us dry

AutistoMephisto ,
@AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world avatar

And once we’re dry, they’ll find someone else to fleece. Most likely when we ourselves can’t afford the stuff they’re forcing us to make. At that point the US will fully shift to an export economy based on slave labor that ships goods and products to nations with growing middle classes that can afford them, like China.

sunzu ,

Ehh they are just more likely to replace us with population that is more willing to "work"

Current "indigenous" Americans appear to forget what the federal government did to the old ones

robocall OP , in Drugs disguised as Taco Bell burritos found during Tennessee traffic stop
@robocall@lemmy.world avatar
TheOakTree ,

They definitely put way too much in each burrito. Taco bell goers will know how little they actually put in those burritos, and how not-round they end up being.

Zahille7 ,

And how each ingredient is clumped together in one spot in each burrito.

So you end up getting a bite with a ton of meat and a little cheese, or all rice, or just a shitload of sour cream.

dogslayeggs , in Judge delays ban on noncompete agreements for employees | CNN Business

My first question coming into this thread was, “is this a Trump judge?” I’m glad OP answered that in the post!

homesweethomeMrL OP ,

It’s always a Trump judge!™

It’s the legal corollary to “Did Trump actually say this fucked up thing?” Ha ha! You know he did, Timmy.

Ranvier ,

Also in the northern district of Texas. I smell some judicial venue shopping. Northern district of Texas is basically now the Mordor of the legal world.

Veraxus , in Heritage Foundation president celebrates Supreme Court immunity decision: "We are in the process of the second American Revolution"

Georgian heritage. The redcoats are back in force and need to be driven out again.

randon31415 ,

redcoats redhats

dohpaz42 , (edited )
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

Just so I’m clear, are you referring to the red hat as in one of the 6 thinking hats? The one about using emotion and intuition?

Edit: 🤦‍♂️

JJROKCZ ,

He’s almost certainly referring to the red hats commonly worn by American fascists to signify their allegiance to the traitor

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

Oh ok. I tried searching it, but you can thank modern day SEO for only showing me shit from Red Hat, Inc (the Linux vendor).

Edit: Ok, I’m super stupid. MAGA red hats. 🤦‍♂️ I need a drink.

JJROKCZ ,

Haha happens to us all

FlyingSquid , in Judge delays ban on noncompete agreements for employees | CNN Business
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

“Corporations are presidents, my friend!”

homesweethomeMrL OP ,

Sad but true.

DmMacniel , in Heritage Foundation president celebrates Supreme Court immunity decision: "We are in the process of the second American Revolution"
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And the most damning thing again will be: Trump will have control over the nuclear football again.

MeekerThanBeaker ,

Maybe he thinks it looks like an actual football. Someone just hands one to him and says, “Now don’t you drop it.”

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@discuss.online avatar

Who would ever fall for that!?

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grue ,

You’re kidding, right? At this point, that’s almost the least of our worries.

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