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chronicledmonocle , in Andre Braugher, Emmy-winning actor who starred in 'Homicide' and 'Brooklyn Nine-Nine,' dies at 61
BruceTwarzen , in New Study: Police Kill Over 10,000 Family Dogs Every Year; According to The U.S. Justice Department

The german police fires something like 60 bullets a year

azertyfun ,

Yes but you have to understand there are so many more guns in circulation in the US! With every Beagle potentially packing round these parts, the police can’t be taking any risks!

LifeOfChance , in McDonald's plans to start selling bigger burgers

So they’ll reintroduce the old size with a larger price tag now that they shrank the others while keeping them priced the same. More of a reason to stay away

USAONE OP ,
@USAONE@lemmy.world avatar

McDonald’s prices are actually lower today than they were in the 1980s when adjusted for inflation.

cm0002 ,

I was totally ready to call your BS, but you’re right.

Cost of big Mac combo in 1980: 2.59, 10.24 after adjusted for 2023

Cost of big Mac combo in the app today: 9.20 (For my area anyway)

USAONE OP ,
@USAONE@lemmy.world avatar

I had looked it up in the past. Now size wise it is probably smaller.

be_excellent_to_each_other ,
@be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social avatar

Really that renders the "defense" of their prices pretty meaningless.

Bakkoda ,

You think there’s the same amount of beef at the same quality level?

naun ,

However, incomes are lower than that, so we’re still paying more.

Ranvier , (edited )

No real incomes adjusted for inflation are higher then in the 1980s. Though comparable to where they previously peaked in the 1970s.

weforum.org/…/50-years-of-us-wages-in-one-chart/

Current real wages are similar to that 2019 number.

Still terrible when you consider it took 50 years for real wages to just effectively tread water though. The economy grew a ton over that time period. Means all the increased value didn’t make it’s way into more wages. So on average people make a little more than in the 1980s even considering increased cost of living, but they should be making much more even than that.

PopOfAfrica ,

It’s not the wages. It’s the proportional cost of living. Proportionality matters more than anything.

TVs are proportionally cheaper than ever, but housing is not.

Ranvier , (edited )

That’s wages weighted to the cost of living. That’s what you’re looking at in the chart I posted. You can find the same chart from many other sources. And yes it absolutely includes housing costs not just tvs. Even includes services too. Anything people spend money on to live, and in the proportions they spend money on it. If people aren’t spending very much on tvs it becomes a smaller part of the measure and is weighted less.

Part of the reason you see the jump in real wages in the 2008 recession on that chart is related to the crash in housing prices. If things are proportionally costing more in relation to wages then the line goes downward, if things are proportionally cheaper compared to wages, then it goes upwards. It crashed in the 1980s, was flat for many years as wages and cost of living both were increasing at about the same rate in the 90s so no real gains. It was only recently we even caught up to where we used to be in the 70s. The commenter above you said our wages are lower than they were in the 1980s, that’s just totally untrue. If they said 1970s they’d be closer to reality since we’re hovering near that number.

Wages not weighted to the cost of living would look more like this and basically almost always be going up. I can’t find a chart of wages not weighted to that over the exact same time period though but you get the picture.

statista.com/…/annual-mean-wages-and-salary-per-e…

PopOfAfrica ,

I find that incredibly difficult to believe considering the minimum wage is hardly gone up. That my parents were able to afford a house, but I can’t.

Ranvier , (edited )

Not disagreeing at all with you on minimum wage, you’re absolutely correct. These are average wages across the whole economy (or non supervisory wages or something but close enough). If you plotted real minimum wage vs where we used to be it’s waaaayyy lower now. It’s nowhere near kept up with increased cost of living (certainly federal, not sure if any state has increased theirs enough to compensate).

If you’re interested in more on how the cpi works or what is or isn’t included and some of the arguments both ways, I found this to be an interesting read that summarizes a lot of the controversies about the cpi figures well.

nytimes.com/…/inflation-measure-cpi-accuracy.html

Or archive version archive.is/zvtPw

Though be aware that article is from a year and a half ago, so none of the inflation figures it gives in it are current.

alvvayson , in Freed Israeli hostages held by Hamas were terrified IDF airstrikes would kill them

Wait until they hear about Bibi’s plan to flood all the tunnels and drown the hostages.

ArbitraryValue ,

The plan isn’t to create a rapid flood but rather to gradually render the tunnels unusable.

KLISHDFSDF ,
@KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m sure they’ll exercise caution in this endeavor /s

NuXCOM_90Percent ,

Which may be even worse?

Since hamas is going to prioritize leadership, personnel, and equipment/materials in that order. If they get all their spare ammo and AKs out then MAYBE they’ll go back for the hostages.

At least a rapid flooding would kill hamas terrorists too.

GiantChickDicks ,

One of the freed hostages talked about that in the article. Her husband is still being held. They appear to know.

mycatiskai ,

Will it be drinkable water because that is in short supply. The innocent Palestinians in Gaza would certainly appreciate some potable water.

Amanduh ,

Why use potable water when the ocean is right there?

recapitated , in Jill Stein formally launches 2024 White House bid as Green party candidate

We need ranked choice voting.

MedicatedMaybe ,

We certainly do, but you wouldn’t catch me voting for that Russian stooge after everything that went down in 2016.

commie ,

Jill Stein is not a Russian stooge

uberkalden ,

Lol, you can stop simping for Jill. She’s never going to hold office or love you

commie ,

she’s already held office.

uberkalden ,

You got me!

commie ,

all I do is win win win

goldenlocks ,

So vote for the candidate that supports ranked choice voting.

thisisawayoflife ,

The federal government doesn’t control elections. You handle that at the state (or county/parish/whatever) level. At least here in Oregon, people can bring measures to the ballot by petition rather than waiting for the legislature to do anything about it, and given two party monopoly, they aren’t going to do anything about it for you.

goldenlocks ,

Support and donate to a party that does support ranked choice voting and they’ll be able to run state level candidates

thisisawayoflife ,

I don’t think it’s going to matter what party supports RCV. Once it’s the law of your area, candidates will be running in an RCV election whether they supported it or not.

goldenlocks ,

How will RCV be implemented in states without ballot measures? Have to vote for a party that will implement it.

PhlubbaDubba ,

So the Dems then, their voting rights policy has moved towards at the very least making it much easier to switch to a PR system of any kind.

goldenlocks ,

voting rights policy

The John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act has literally nothing to do with ranked choice voting, you are talking out of your ass.

PhlubbaDubba ,

There was more than one voting rights related bill ya nonce.

goldenlocks ,

Go ahead and enlighten us

Immersive_Matthew , in Elon Musk May Have Just Signed X’s Death Warrant

Time to create that Mastodon account you have been meaning to, the dual post for a while until your network is established and then delete X.

blind3rdeye ,

Some people seem to bounce off Mastodon, saying that it doesn’t have the content that they were looking for. I’d suggest that it probably does have the content that you are looking for, but you can’t expect instantly see everything you are looking for from a fresh account.

People have spent years building up their twitter feeds; finding the people they like to follow, and browsing for new things, getting recommendations, and removing they stuff they don’t like. You can’t expect to match that level of content 10 mins after signing up on Mastodon. You will have to look around and tell it what you want to see before it will be what you want it to be.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

The difference is that Twitter has suggestions and algorithms to help you find your way around. Mastodon is all manual.

Kit , in 'Stand your butt up': Fistfight nearly breaks out during Senate hearing until Bernie Sanders steps in

Can we please just have adults represent us. This buffoonery is embarrassing.

Pistcow ,

1/3 of this country is buffoonery

blindbunny ,

Unfortunately it’s more then that…

originalfrozenbanana ,

It’s really not their vote just counts more

Melatonin ,

Too many

Lon3star ,

That requires adults to vote for them

8bitguy ,

The adult broke it up.

Kit ,

I’m so thankful for Bernie. I have high hopes for AOC and his other prodigies.

Piecemakers3Dprints ,
@Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world avatar

I’m impressed that you think we’ll last long enough.

Ashyr ,

I think you meant protégés. I agree with the sentiment, however.

Kit ,

Yes, autocorrect got me.

Ashyr ,

Almost got me as well. The only reason I said anything at all was the off chance it was a genuine misunderstanding of words. I figured better to say something here than let you go into a presentation and confidently use the wrong word.

bostonbananarama , in 'A complete failure': Senate Republicans on a punishing election night

But Republicans don’t see losses like this, realize they’re unpopular, and adjust their ideas to better represent their constituents. Invariably, in the days and weeks following these losses they make pushes to change voting maps to further gerrymander districts, or alter polling places and times, or just screw with the process. Because no matter the rebuke, the problem must be with the voters, it cannot possibly be their policies.

tygerprints ,

They always just double-down on their fascist tactics such as gerrymandering and taking away more and more voters' rights. And yet still act surprised when people aren't pleased with their actions.

jrbaconcheese ,

If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.

—David Frum

HawlSera ,

Republicans have always seen elections as a litmus test for the people of america, not a process of American selecting the policies they want enacted.

A republican didn’t win, the problem is not with policy, the problem is that the people were wrong to not side with them and opposing parties were wrong to be opposing parties.

I mean hell look at when Pat McCrory lost his re-election campaign in North Carolina because he made hb2, the big bathroom law, the centerpiece of his legacy.

State Congress immediately passed rules saying that the governor of North Carolina had no political power and was mostly just a figurehead, and we had a lot of comments from supporters of McCrory in North Carolina congress saying that although they lost on hb2, “That they still refused to acknowledge wrong as right”

And basically put up a bill saying that we could repeal hb2 as long as we agreed that hb2 was the best idea anyone ever had and we should probably never go against it again.

The person, Roy Cooper, who ousted McCrory was a lawyer who had none of it and basically counted the fucking ways that all of this was not only unconstitutional, but incredibly pathetic

foofiepie , in Ivanka Trump asks to pause NY fraud trial, says testimony during ‘school week’ creates ‘undue hardship’

Lol what. As a parent, school times are when you can actually get shit done. Half term/school holidays are when you have the least free time.

This is of course assuming one doesn’t have staff, as she clearly will. What unmitigated bollocks.

Sparlock , in Face mask effectiveness: What science knows now

The fact that the idea of an air filter is controversial is frankly amazing.

They apparently only work in every situation except when put over your face.

Karyoplasma , (edited )

Many think that it takes only 1 virus to catch the disease when, in reality, your body will easily deal with a small amount of unknown pathogens and does so many times a day.

Masks work because they reduce the overall viral load, so your immune system isn’t overwhelmed.

What also doesn’t help is how unintuitively percentages scale. A mask that is 90% effective doubles the viral load if compared to a mask with 95% effectiveness, even tho the difference is “only” 5%.

hitmyspot ,

Not only that but those percentages are for a given particle size. They will both stop 100% of ping pong balls, for instance. As mentioned in yoher comments, the virus is usually in aerosol, microscopic droplets of varying size.

rusticus ,

Influenza data shows that it takes about 1000 viral particles to infect a human. Assuming COVID 19 is similar, reducing viral load also significantly reduces severity of disease if you get it.

Karyoplasma ,

Do you know if the infection threshold is similar across different influenza strains or are some more infectious than others?

rusticus ,

I do not. I’m sure it varies quite widely and it’s very presumptuous to assume coronavirus is similar but I think the general point is valid. You’d rather be exposed to 300 viral particles than 30,000 and masks absolutely have a reductive effect. One thing that has been mentioned that I hadn’t thought about is the concept that if you are exposed to a sub-infectious level of virus the immune system might still develop response/immunity and that it’s actually healthy to be exposed to sub-infectious level of viruses.

Grant_M , in NHL Rescinds Pride Tape Ban After Coyotes’ Travis Dermott Defies Rule
@Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

Good start. Now, oust Bettman and all of the bigot genocide supporting russians.

AlternatePersonMan ,

Bettman is a laundry list of massive failures.

Besides giving into homophobia and other ethical issues, he’s not even good from a business perspective.

Look at the growth of other sports compared to hockey during his tenure. Multiple failed teams and moves. Phoenix is a joke. There are 3 teams in CA and 2 in FLA… Despite wanting to spread the NHL to new regions.

He’s made TV viewing a nightmare. You can’t just buy an NHL package. There are home game blackouts, games and multiple networks that aren’t packaged together for away games. And most recently this dipshit decided to make the boards a green screen with moving fucking ads DURING PLAY. As if hockey wasn’t challenging enough to track the play.

Fuck Bettman.

Cheesus ,

I don’t get why the owners keep him around.

bus_go_fast ,

Don’t forget the time that dude scammed him and bought the islanders even though he didn’t have the money.

And Jesus Christ, why Arizona?? Why Florida??

AlternatePersonMan ,

I completely forgot about that embarrassing fiasco.

What a joke.

hiddengoat ,

Why Florida? I don't know, maybe because the Lightning consistently have some of the highest attendance in the fucking league? If you're going to ask "What about the Panthers?" I'll retort "What about the Senators?"

Why Arizona? Stupid question to ask when a team in Las Vegas just won the Cup. The real question is "Why Arizona STILL?"

bus_go_fast ,

Im speaking about the Panthers.

hiddengoat ,

Which I just covered. The Panthers have better attendance than the team in Canada's capital yet nobody would ever talk shit about there being too many Canadian teams.

I get what you're trying to say but it's not really relevant to expansion.

TheDarkKnight ,

Any commissioner that still has blackout restrictions in their league is a crappy commissioner.

twistedtxb ,
@twistedtxb@lemmy.ca avatar

The NHL is stuck in the 90s with that Clown

NewNewAccount ,

3 teams in California, the most populous state and also the third largest? What’s the issue, exactly?

spacecowboy ,

They meant Canada. The three teams in Canada are Toronto, Toronto, and Toronto.

XbSuper ,

Fuck Toronto.

AlternatePersonMan ,

The issue is that Bettman has repeatedly not given teams to cities because he wants to spread the sport geographically. For example Milwaukee will never get a team because Bettman figures those people can either be fans of Minnesota or Chicago. Yet the LA and Anaheim arenas are just 35 minutes apart. I’m pretty sure if Anaheim didn’t have a team their fan base would just watch the Kings play.

NewNewAccount ,

It takes the same amount of time to drive from Milwaukee to Chicago as it does to get from Downtown LA to Anaheim at game time.

Milwaukee has 500,000 people and Orange County alone has over 3 million. I don’t think you’ll convince me that an expansion in Orange County doesn’t make sense.

It’s also easy to forget that until very recently, LA and California in general were the new markets true NHL was trying to establish a foothold in.

AlternatePersonMan ,

Milwaukee and Chicago are an hour and a half apart. Milwaukee county is about 1 million people. So it’s not small.

I’m not even saying their isn’t logic in tapping the big markets, but two that are on top of each other? And using that as the reason not to put teams elsewhere? That just doesn’t make sense. At least go to San Diego.

hiddengoat ,

The "issue" they're trying to bring up is concentration of teams in one geographic region. This argument falls apart when you realize the Islanders, Rangers, and Devils basically play in the same NFL stadium and nobody seems to care. It's just CA and FL people complain about.

The game needs to expand into new markets but contracting in large markets is not the way to do it.

Mouselemming ,

Maybe we have too many other choices of winter activities we can do outside in the sunshine. In Minnesota people play hockey because it’s warmer on the ice in the arena than on your driveway. And less exhausting than shoveling snow.

XbSuper ,

I don’t even watch it anymore, haven’t for about 10 years, ever since I ditched cable. I would love to watch again, but it’s way too expensive for a subscription, and like you said, blackout dates, fucking bullshit. I’m not paying nearly $300 a year, to not be able to watch any fucking game I want.

Die in a fire Bettman.

SheeEttin ,

There are plenty of pirate streams. You may have to switch streams if one dies mid-game, but that’s the tradeoff.

XbSuper ,

Yeah, I’d rather not watch than deal with that.

hiddengoat ,

Not defending Bettman in any way, because I can't believe he still has his job with how shit he is at TV deals (if you think he's bad though, check out what it takes to watch the NFL).

It's hard to argue against the number of teams in CA and FL when they more often than not have better attendance than most of the Canadian teams. People are showing up, even in oddball markets like Nashville. Seattle and Las Vegas have already seen postseason play, with one winning the Cup, and their attendance is solid so expansion is obviously a good thing...

...all of which I mention to make the absolute shitshow of the Coyotes look even fucking worse. The team should have folded a decade ago.

THEY PLAY IN A COLLEGE HOCKEY ARENA.

Absolute amateur hour. This isn't like an NFL team playing in a D1 college stadium. That's happened before, but in that case those stadiums are just as large with nearly the same class of facilities. For it to be a comparable reduction in seats an NFL team would have to be playing at a frickin' Texas high school field.

Arizona barely gives a shit about hockey. Want to open things up? Move 'em to El Paso, which I think it still the largest metro area without a big four pro sports team. You can even keep the name. Or move them to Portland. Milwaukee? Fuckin' SLC? ANYWHERE?

For Phoenix alone Bettman should have been gone years ago.

Red_October , in Killings in the U.S. are dropping at a historic rate. Will anyone notice?

Of course no one will notice, because it’s beneficial to certain groups to keep pushing the idea that there’s a rampant crime wave and we’re in more danger than ever.

krolden ,
@krolden@lemmy.ml avatar

NY really wants to pass that law to force background checks for 3d printer purchases.

SARGEx117 ,

Unless they do the same for lathes, mills, drills, and pressure piping, seems almost like it’s a pointless fucking law designed to have a certain look with no factual basis…

Fuck, I could teach someone how to build their own 3d printer from a mix of cheap ebay parts and off the shelf hardware store shit.

Next they’ll make it illegal to have technical documentation on the schematics and models for things arbitrarily deemed “dangerous”.

Oh wait…

krolden ,
@krolden@lemmy.ml avatar

Yeah thats exactly what I said when I read about it

www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2023/A8132

Daft_ish ,

The fact they wrote out three-dimensional highlights they really have no idea what they’re talking about but are trying real hard.

Atomic ,

US homicide rates in 2020 were still not good… You’re rapidly heading back down to that level. Which is a good negative trend. But it’s still high. Really high.

stopthatgirl7 OP ,
@stopthatgirl7@kbin.social avatar

Even that 2020 peak is substantially lower than it was in the 80s and 90s, though.

Atomic ,

It’s still really high compared to the global average. Why is that so difficult to accept?

Lucidlethargy ,

What’s crazy is that its both sides of the isle doing this. The far right does it to stoke fear and over-promote guns as the only means of protection, and the far left does it to villainize guns as the root of all violence. It’s exhausting.

mrnotoriousman ,

Which current politicians are "far left"? But more importantly, what Democrat politicians are fear mongering about rampant crime?

shalafi ,

I don’t follow any right-wing media, but yeah, on the left…

“There’s a mass shooting every day!!!”

imgur.com/a/h6DvNwE

LOL, and you might notice the numbers from Mother Jones. Those right-wing fascists! 😆

Being a lefty shooter, I got opinions, and I see a lot from both sides. Vehicular and gun deaths are on par, year after year. And I can avoid suicide (43% I think?) and I can stay away from bad people and places. I don’t have those options on the road.

atzanteol , in Trump 'does not have the right to say and do exactly what he pleases,' Judge Chutkan says, issuing gag order

God it feels good to have somebody in authority say that.

The little brat needs to be told.

FlashMobOfOne ,
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

It would feel much better if any of them had the balls to actually enforce these orders.

atzanteol ,

Time will tell - this judge doesn’t seem to lack the guts to do so if necessary. But my understanding is that jail time is a ‘last resort’ after fines and other punishments. I’m under no delusion that Trump will be thrown in Jail in the near future.

TheSanSabaSongbird ,

She’s threatened to move up the trial date if he violates the order as a way of limiting the effect his words can have on court officers and potential witnesses. This would be terrible for him since his whole strategy is to delay until after the election when he believes he will become president again and can make it all go away.

I really like Judge Chutkan so far.

echodot ,

He is being given a rope, it’s his choice whether he hangs himself with it. You can’t go straight to throwing him in prison you at least have to demonstrate ill intent.

I wouldn’t worry, he will definitely violate these terms, if you gave Donald Trump a button that said do not press under any circumstances, pressing this button will result in the destruction of the universe he’d press it before you could finish reading the sign. The man has no self-control.

Tedesche , in New California law aims to force people with mental illness or addiction to get help

The new law, which reforms the state’s conservatorship system, expands the definition of “gravely disabled” to include people who are unable to provide themselves basic needs such as food and shelter due to an untreated mental illness or unhealthy drugs and alcohol use. Local governments say current state laws leave their hands tied if a person refuses to receive help.

The law is designed to make it easier for authorities to provide care to people with untreated mental illness or addictions to alcohol and drugs, many of whom are homeless.

I work in mental health in another state, and I’ve been wishing for a law like this since I started my career. I don’t believe people who have any sort of mental illness should be forced into treatment, but laws enacted at the behest of rights groups for the mentally ill have gone too far (although it’s certainly better that we have those laws than don’t). Some people are so sick they’re their own insurmountable obstacle to care, and that would be fine if their condition only affected them, but it often doesn’t. For their sakes and that of those around them, I agree some people should be forced to get their issues treated.

TransientPunk ,

I have a nosy neighbor that also happens to be a social worker. She made my life hell last year by getting cops involved in a situation that didn’t necessitate them, and additionally forced me to go through all sorts of hoops and psychological examinations to prove my state of mind. This law, despite it’s good intentions, makes me super nervous after having gone through that BS

Uncaged_Jay ,

This should be everyone’s fear, it feels like just anther witch hunt.

RaoulDook ,

It is rational to fear that this authority would be abused, based on the long history of abuses of authority in the USA.

We should react this way anytime any law is passed that gives the govt more authority to restrict our freedom.

CmdrShepard ,

But the witches actually exist in this scenario. If you’ve spent any time living on the west coast over the past decade, you’ve surely seen these people with uncontrolled mental illness roaming the streets and causing havoc.

What sort of solution would you propose for people so deep into mental illness that they can’t or won’t get themselves out if it? Demanding that they continue living on the streets isn’t a very humane solution either.

Not_mikey ,

roaming the streets and causing havoc

What is havoc to you? I live in San Francisco and the homeless and addicts don’t really bother people outside of them existing , which does seem to bother a lot of people. They do shoplift and car break ins are pretty common but it’s not like they’re running around brandishing knives. Most of them are opiate addicts, and you aren’t aggressive or chaotic on heroine.

I agree we need more mental health and addiction treatment but you can’t force people into it. If someone is in pain and don’t see a reason to live outside of drugs, locking them up won’t fix that. Either you keep them there forever or they’ll relapse as soon as they get out. We need to address the societal issues causing this instead of the band aid solution of detainment.

stangel ,
Not_mikey ,

This is from a year ago, did you have this saved?

It’s a city of 10 million people , crazy fucked up shit is bound to happen, homeless people or not. Here in SF a tech CEO stabbed another CEO multiple times and left them in the streets, you don’t see us trying to detain CEOs.

stangel ,

I don’t see the point in arguing about this. You said they mostly keep to themselves, maybe a little pretty crime here and there (as if even that is okay)… That has NOT been my experience and I brought one especially-egregious receipt to make my point. The other poster who mentioned clapped-out RVs and catalytic converter theft must also be from LA.

Not_mikey ,

We could argue anecdotes and experiences back and forth and get nowhere, or we could look at the data. According to the LAPD 8% of crimes involved homeless people. This includes cases where either the victim or the suspect is homeless. The article also states that they are more likely the victim then the perpetrator so we can cut that down to ~3% are the suspects of crime. Also considering that homeless are often falsely accused or scapegoated that is still probably a high guess for actual perpetrators.

That’s ~3% of crime, considering your also in general not likely to be a victim of crime the odds you are a victim of a crime committed by a homeless person is very low. Not 0 so you’ll get lurid stories like the one you posted on the local news, but still low.

The tactic of citing the most horrific news story about an individual in a group of people has long been used to demonize people of color. Some news agencies realize they can’t do this anymore so they’re shifting to a new marginalized group that just so happens to be composed of mostly people of color.

effward ,
@effward@lemmy.world avatar

But also the LAPD is much less likely to respond to crimes in poorer areas. So the numbers they report aren’t all that meaningful.

stangel ,

My mother-in-law was disabled for years before she died and required the use of a scooter to travel more than about 50 feet. We have sidewalks here that are completely impassable due to the tents and accumulated junk from our unhoused population. But disabled people can suck it, amirite?

LAPD doesn’t do anything about it, and everyone here knows they do everything in their power to avoid so much as filing a report, much less making arrests. Maybe their statistics are technically correct but they are not at all representative of the lawless landscape that is the streets of LA.

You imply I’m a bigot because I’d rather get these people the mental health care they need but are incapable of choosing for themselves. You evidently would rather let these economic free thinkers trash our communities and steal anything not nailed down, in case they want to “opt out of capitalism.” Okay, Karl Marx.

CmdrShepard ,

I find those numbers misleading since they only account for those people who’ve been caught and prosecuted. Police almost universally ignore property crimes like theft and vandalism because there is so much of it and because it doesn’t bring any benefit to the city/department when your perpetrators can’t pay their fines or court costs. With mentally ill people, they’re more likely to just shoot them dead rather than bring charges against them or take them to a mental health facility. Somehow this all gets excluded from the studies.

ZzyzxRoad ,

You know, I never see anyone talking about doing anything like this when people with homes do drugs or have mental illness. How is every single crime automatically chalked up to “the homeless.” There’s a million housed and perfectly mentally stable people in California stealing catalytic converters, among other things. But the minute that or retail theft or violent crime comes up, it never fails that it’s attributed only to people who can’t pay rent.

stangel ,

I might agree with you on the catalytic converters but who do you think is stealing mail out of mailboxes, who’s leaving dirty needles in our parks, who’s taking over our sidewalls and other public spaces with tents and other junk ? All of us deserve better than this, including them.

Cryophilia ,

I live in San Francisco and the homeless and addicts don’t really bother people outside of them existing

Then you’re a goddamn liar because there is no way in hell you live in the city and don’t see the damage (literal physical damage) they do.

Cryophilia ,

If you’ve spent any time living on the west coast over the past decade

The majority of people in this thread have not, and it shows.

Daft_ish ,

You know the church is going to step in and fuck up the chances of these people ever getting real help, right?

The people with the least won’t have the resources to get proper treatment and religious groups will get license to, “have God fix them.” Next, religious groups will start seeking ways to expand what is considered mental illness applying their own christian morality. Before you know it the gays will be forced into conversion therapy or some archaic equivalent.

Cryophilia ,

I am reeeeeeally sick of the way every time an article comes out about a California law, someone from Indiana or Mississippi or whatever hellhole comes out of the woodwork to explain how it will be abused because they think all of America is like their own little hellhole.

Daft_ish ,

Lol at the thought that the religious right hasn’t a foothold in California.

Cryophilia ,

They’re fairly irrelevant

Daft_ish ,

Hubris

ZzyzxRoad , (edited )

It’s always “I believe that (subordinate group) should get basic rights, but… (and then something about being inconvenienced).”

It says at the end of the article that there’s already a law that does that for certain diagnoses and at a judge’s discretion. I don’t see why it would ever need to go farther than that. I’ve worked in and been in mental health and addiction facilities and they already use mental health diagnoses and medication to subjugate people living through homelessness and the disease of addiction. Conservatorship is not the answer to someone not being able to pay rent. It will be used to diagnose people who are not mentally ill just to keep them from being an “eyesore.” It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that. You also can’t force someone into addiction treatment and expect it to magically work. It’s their life, they have to want to quit. We’re going to waste so many resources forcing people into addiction treatment and it won’t do anything except to make them resentful of the system. Even worse, if you lock someone away who doesn’t want to quit and their tolerance for drugs goes down, then they get out and use, they will definitely OD. So many people die or nearly die that way after getting out of jails and prisons for victimless crimes like addiction and homelessness.

The answer is making treatment more available to people. Then giving them a place to live and resources to live on while they find jobs and reintegrate into society. Only having (forced) treatment will accomplish nothing and likely make the problem worse while allowing authoritarianism into California. This law is fucking disgusting, dehumanizing, and scary. We should be ashamed of ourselves as a society that this is how we treat our most vulnerable as a society.

ETA: This is how available addiction and mental health treatment is to Californians with Medi-Cal: it’s not. Miles of red tape and bureaucracy that people with no resources or transportation are somehow supposed to navigate, just to have an indefinite wait list at the end of it. Ask me how I know. If treatment were made available to meet people where they are, it would be far more effective, if paired with reentry programs that actually treat them like people.

Cryophilia ,

and then something about being inconvenienced

Holy privilege. Tell me you’ve never lived in an area with schizophrenic zombies roaming the streets.

The answer is making treatment more available to people.

These people do it have the mental capacity to accept treatment. They literally cannot make a decision about anything.

We’re not talking about someone with depression here, we’re talking about people whose higher brain functions are not working at all.

You’re looking at this through the limited range of your own mental health experience, not realizing how radically different it is for the level of mental psychosis big-city homeless have.

MuhammadJesusGaySex , in Black history 'Underground Railroad' forms across US after DeSantis, others ban books

As a white person that grew up and still lives in the south, around bigotry of all flavors. Learning the truth about our past is sooooo important. The history of the human race is not usually a particularly pretty history.

But, just like we should want a better life for our kids than we had. We should also want our kids to grow up and become better adults than we were. The only way that will ever happen is if we are honest about the good, and the bad.

CosmicTurtle ,

As a child of Asian immigrants, I learned about the horrors of Japanese interment camps way into my adult life.

It took me into my mid 30s to realize just how muted US History classes were.

stopthatgirl7 OP ,
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Most folks had no idea about the Tulsa race massacre until the first episode of Watchmen on HBO, and there was a surge of people googling to see if it had actually happened after it aired. I even read an article about how some people in Tulsa didn’t even know about it until then.

CosmicTurtle ,

Same. I didn’t know what Juneteenth was until my company started observing it a few years ago.

And bare in mind that I am a kid of the 80s. I can’t imagine the curriculum that kids have today.

thepianistfroggollum ,

I didn’t know what it was because that’s a silly name for celebrating the end of slavery.

FlyingSquid ,
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Weird how we never get taught about any of the bad things white people do unless they do it to other white people, isn’t it?

BombOmOm ,
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Slavery in the US is widely taught in the US public school system. That fact alone completely devastates your idea the US does not ‘teach about any of the bad things white people do unless they do it to other white people’. It is also pretty common to teach about the Japanese internment camps in WWII, albeit less so.

MuhammadJesusGaySex ,

But the quality of that education depends on where you live. For instance I grew up in Birmingham, Al. We were taught slavery happened, and some places it was bad, and some places it was ok. We were taught about the civil war, and how the south was just fighting for states rights. But that was about it. Our history books were a decade old.

We didn’t learn about Japanese internment camps at all. If you want to really learn about the problem a non standardized book situation causes in America. Look up the states that use PragerU books. Then look up PragerU.

dragonflyteaparty ,

That’s basically exactly what I learned. The civil war was all about states rights, but they refused to say what those rights were. They also “taught” that after the civil rights movement, everything was perfect and there was no racism anymore.

Very_Bad_Janet , (edited )

My husband, who grew up in the south, was taught about The War of Northern Aggression (that is what his teacher called the Civil War).

I am having our kids read The Autobiography of Malcolm X and A People's History of the United States.

ETA: My kids' Elementary and Middle schools taught the book Stamped.

ETA2: Are students in Florida going to know what the Underground Railroad even was?

Hindufury ,

It is taught and Civil Rights is taught, but we didn’t really learn about ongoing injustices against the black community (redlining and imminent domain, racial biases in the war on drugs, sund9wn towns, etc.) so US history classes painted a picture of it all being largely over with.

AA5B ,

For us, they didn’t cover “modern” history at all. For example, neither Korean norVietnam wars were covered

Dr_Fetus_Jackson , (edited )

Unfortunately, propagating ignorance is useful as a tool to keep change from ever occurring.

I’m a white dude that lived in the South for 42 of my 51 years. I was fortunate that my parents were flower children that didn’t fit in with the hate scene of the time, and they taught me to respect everyone.

Their biggest hurdle was the limit of their knowledge. Like me, they weren’t taught the history of atrocities that we’re perpetrated against our citizens. The advantage that I had as a parent, over what my parents had, was the good fortune to live in an age of enlightenment through information.

I did my best to make sure that I passed on that part of my parents legacy to my, now adult, children while also making sure they understood what the actual history looked like in our country. I’m hopeful they’ll levy their advantages to continue to help break the cycle.

thepianistfroggollum ,

Don’t look into the building of the US railroads, then. It’s brutal.

As an aside, there were actually German internment camps in the US too. I don’t know where all of them were, but I know there was one in East Texas.

FlyingSquid ,
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I didn’t learn a thing about those internment camps when I was in high school. Shameful.

enki ,

Grew up in Tennessee and I learned about them, but I was fortunate enough to go to one of the top public schools in the country that was pretty diverse. Fairly certain there’s very few public schools of that caliber left in the southern US.

FlyingSquid ,
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My daughter’s school just had ‘Hawaiian Day’ as part of ‘spirit week’ where every day was wear something stupid. My daughter didn’t want to participate anyway, but I took it as an opportunity to teach her about how we committed genocide against the native Hawaiians. She asked why it wasn’t taught in school. I didn’t have a good answer besides “Republicans don’t want you to know about it.”

MuhammadJesusGaySex ,

That’s a good approach. So many things are left out and passed over. Unfortunately it’s up to us as parents to fill in the gaps. Here’s my own personal brush with infamy.

I live and grew up in Birmingham, Al. In school we had a page or 2 about the civil rights movement. We learned about Bull Connor, and the water cannons, and the dogs. We learned about Fred Shuttlesworth and Rosa Parks. That was about it.

I was in my 30’s when I learned that my uncle was the last man to arrest Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. before he was assassinated. My family didn’t talk about it. My school didn’t talk about it, and it made me realize just how much of our lesson on that subject had been glossed over.

Since my uncle lived longer than King. My uncle got to say in interviews much later that “he knew he was in the presence of greatness” and “I didn’t want to arrest him but I had to”. He may have fooled someone with that nonsense. But, I know that generation of my family used the n-word daily till they died.

A history that’s as truthful as possible is super important. It doesn’t matter who it embarrasses, or upsets, because it’s already happened. We can’t change it, but we can try not to do it again.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Unfortunately it’s up to us as parents to fill in the gaps.

That’s why my kids know the truth about religion, especially Christianity.

MuhammadJesusGaySex ,

Heh Yeah same here. I also try to warn them about people who say things like “X is coming for your jobs, kids, way of life, everything you hold dear, but I will protect you.”

AA5B ,

I do t remember much coverage of Hawaii at all. Apparently came into existence with a naval base ready for wwii

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