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lennybird , in Donald Trump may drop JD Vance for Nikki Haley, ex-Clinton adviser says
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I genuinely thought this would’ve been his pick to begin with.

But even if he does, I think it can only backfire. Remember, the vast majority of sexist scum fall under the MAGA banner. Doing that shows Trump is weak to those same people and now he begins pulling away from his own base.

Sam_Bass , in Chicken wings advertised as 'boneless' can have bones, Ohio Supreme Court decides

Its getting where courts at every level are running contrary to logic and justice.

Burn_The_Right ,

Courts have become infested with conservatives.

_haha_oh_wow_ , in Kids? A Growing Number of Americans Say, ‘No, Thanks.’
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Nobody can afford kids with all of the corporate price gouging and wage theft. no shit we’re not having more kids.

58008 , in Harvey Weinstein in hospital with Covid and double pneumonia, his team says
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worldwidewave , in Secret DEA files show agents joked about rape in a WhatsApp chat. Then one of them was accused of it

It’s always the people you suspect the most.

NauticalNoodle , (edited ) in AOC's Deepfake AI Porn Bill Unanimously Passes the Senate

Am I the only one that still gets uncomfortable every time the government tries to regulate advanced technology?

—It’s not a Libertarian thing to me as much as it’s a ‘politicians don’t understand technology thing.’

11111one11111 ,

—It’s not a Libertarian thing to me as much as it’s a ‘politicians don’t understand firearms thing.’

—It’s not a Libertarian thing to me as much as it’s a ‘politicians don’t understand healthcare thing.’

—It’s not a Libertarian thing to me as much as it’s a ‘politicians don’t understand medical thing.’

joyjoy ,

Why aren’t you on lemmy.one?

todd_bonzalez ,

🎯

This kind of argument is always just a thought-terminator. No actual argument for why the law is bad, just a low-effort jab that lawmakers are too stupid to pass a good law.

NauticalNoodle ,

It’s okay, I’m pretty sure they are simply showing that Libertarian ideology is based in a mistrust of politicians — and to a degree, they’re right. I don’t typically promote or discuss the ideology. I just think as I currently watch YouTube videos on the nuances of cybersecurity, that it’s so easy for well-informed professional experts to make far reaching mistakes, that it seems absurd to expect uneducated politicians to create regulations that are simultaneously targeted enough to not cause excess issues while still broad enough to effectively reduce the unwanted behavior.

I still think back to Clinton arguing that regulating the internet was akin to “nailing jello to the wall.”

NauticalNoodle ,

Politicians understand Healthcare and guns, they just don’t care about the fallout.

gorgori ,

You need to start somewhere. Regulation will always lag behind technology. But sooner or later things will get regulated. Once a good number of people are affected by something, rules will be brought in by the people. That’s how democracy works.

These rules are never perfect. Sometimes, to make rules effective, they have to be multilayered (swiss cheese model). But that makes them too expensive to implement. So eventually things end in a compromise where cost and effectiveness balance.

neidu2 , (edited )

At least they have now started to try to learn about the tech they’re trying to regulate, as opposed to Ted Stevens who obviously just read a prepared speech someone else had made in his famous “Series of Tubes” speech.

postmateDumbass ,

More like the silicon valley funding machine had someone write up the bill and hand it over to a senator to retype on official letterhead.

todd_bonzalez ,

Arguing against laws that prohibit sexual exploitation with high tech tools, because of the nature of technology, would be like arguing against laws that prohibit rape because of the nature of human sexuality.

The “it still is going to happen” argument doesn’t matter, because the point of the law isn’t to eliminate something 100%, it is to create consequences for those who continue to do what the law prohibits.

It’s not some slippery slope either, it is extremely easy not to make involuntary pornography of other people.

Contravariant ,

The worrying aspect of these laws are always that they focus too much on the method. This law claims to be about preventing a particular new technology, but then goes on to apply to all software.

And frankly if you need a clause about how someone is making fake pornography of someone then something is off. Something shouldn’t be illegal simply because it is easy.

Deepfakes shouldn’t be any more or less illegal than photos made of a doppelgänger or an extremely photorealistic painting (and does photorealism even matter? To the victims, I mean.). A good law should explain why those actions are illegal and when and not just restrict itself to applying solely to ‘technology’ and say oh if it only restricts technology then we should be all right.

postmateDumbass ,

I am not ok with making art a crime.

Do not give away basic human rights because of emotional appeals.

If sexual blackmail is the problem, prosecute sexual blackmail.

SkybreakerEngineer ,

Good thing consent is part of the bill then

todd_bonzalez ,

Where do you draw the line at “art”. If nonconsensual pornography is acceptable to you, how about child porn? Where does art end and crime begin?

ByteJunk ,
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There are stark differences between the scenarios you’re presenting, but going to the core of your point, is it even legal to paint a photorealistic nude?

I don’t know of any court cases about this specific subject, but I remember when Rush painted Tiger Woods (“The masters at Augusta”), he was sued.

He got away with not having to pay money to Tiger Woods, but partly because it’s a stylized painting and it pushed towards first amendment rights. This wouldn’t work in a photorealistic depiction, so it seems highly unlikely that such a painting would be OK…

Contravariant ,

Fair, but then this law serves no purpose. The thing it was designed to prevent was already illegal.

JovialMicrobial ,

You can tell when a painting is a painting. Even it’s photorealistic. You know a person created it and that it’s fiction. Often these are hung in galleries where people expect to see art.

Deep fakes exist to fool people into thinking someone did something(like pornography) when they didn’t…usually with the intention of causing harm to their reputation. That’s already illegal due to defamation laws, so really it’s just an extention of those combined with revenge porn laws.

The reason they have to include the type of tech in the law is because that tech made it possible for unskilled bad actors to get on it…therefore there’ll be more people committing these types of crimes against others. It’s a good thing they’re addressing this issue.

Contravariant ,

The reason they have to include the type of tech in the law is because that tech made it possible for unskilled bad actors to get on it

Yeah, and that’s the part I don’t like. If you can’t define why it’s bad without taking into account the skill level of the criminal then I’m not convinced it’s bad.

As you point out defamation is already illegal and deliberately spreading false information about someone with the intent to harm their reputation is obviously wrong and way easier to define.

And is that not why you consider a painting less ‘bad’? Because it couldn’t be misconstrued as evidence? Note that the act explicitly says a digital forgery should be considered a forgery even when it’s made abundantly clear that it’s not authentic.

JovialMicrobial ,

Look, I’m a professional artist. The general rule is you have to change something 15% to 30%(depending on location) for it to not come into violation of copyright laws. That’s why you see satirical depictions of brands in cartoons and such.

This new law has to take into consideration art laws, defamation laws, revenge porn laws, slander laws, and the right for a person to own their likeness.

It is absolutely necessary to reign this in before serious harm is done to someone. The point of writing a law to address this specific issue is because for the law actually be effective, it must be written to address the specific problem this technology presents. I listed the other laws to show its consistent with ones we already have. There’s nothing wrong with adding in another to protect people.

As for the unskilled part, the point of that is a skilled person creating deepfake porn by hand, frame by frame should get in as much trouble as an unskilled person using ai. The AI is just going to make it so more unethical people are making this crap…so more if it will exist. That’s a problem that needs addressing.

You have a nice day now.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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it is extremely easy not to make involuntary pornography of other people.

Eh. The term is ill-defined, so I can see some ultra-orthodox right-wing judge trying to argue that - say - jokes about JD Vance fucking a couch constitute violations of the revenge porn law. I can see some baroque interpretation by Scalia used to prohibit all forms of digitally transmitted pornography. I can also see some asshole trying to claim baby pictures on Facebook leave the company or even the parent liable for child pornography. Etc, etc.

But a lot of this boils down to vindictive and despicable politicians trying to inflict harm on political opponents by any means necessary. The notion that we can’t have any kind of technology regulation because bad politicians and sadistic cops exist leaves us ceding the entire legislative process to the conservatives who we know are going to abuse the law.

We shouldn’t be afraid to do the right thing now on the grounds that someone else might do the wrong thing tomorrow.

Lets_Eat_Grandma ,

People have been using magazine clippings glued onto porn actress heads since before I was born. Photoshop for over a decade.

How do you delineate between a really good photoshop and “ai”?

NikkiDimes ,

You don’t. This law doesn’t distinguish between the two, and quite frankly, shouldn’t.

Lets_Eat_Grandma ,

So you’re saying if someone makes a nude that is remotely similar to your likeness you can sue them.

What do you do about identical twins if one chooses to be a porn star and takes self shots? Wouldn’t it look the same? Is it a crime to sell nudes if you have an identical twin?

What about anybody who is not related but looks VERY SIMILAR - we’ve probably all heard stories of this happening.

Finally, how do you know if it’s a US citizen that created the image vs anybody in any other country not bound by US laws?

What if an AI creates a nude and then a child is born, and 20 years later they grow up to look identical to the ai generated image?

There’s so many reasons why generated images should be treated like art and protected as free speech imo. It’s one thing if someone you know makes fake nudes of you and then uses them to ruin your image - that’s likely covered under many other laws including something like slander.

People have been going to 11 trying to do anything preventing machine learning from being used for absolutely anything. It’s completely predictable because everyone wants a cut of whatever wealth may be generated by a new technology but maybe we should adapt to the new tool rather than punishing everybody for using it. AI is quickly turning into a tool that will only be usable by multibillion dollar companies with in house legal teams that can handle all the lawsuits.

Crikeste ,

So what do you propose instead? Doing nothing about anything?

BlackPenguins ,

AOC is young. I think she’s a politician that does understand the technology and if she needs to she can educate the other boomers on the bill.

some_guy , in She saw the Titanic sink and the end of World War I. Now, the oldest American just turned 115

Holy hell, that’s way older than I want to be. From the thumbnail, she appears to be smiling, so good for her.

jpreston2005 , in Chicken wings advertised as 'boneless' can have bones, Ohio Supreme Court decides

So amazingly stupid. The conservative justic’s “logic” here is a case-study in failing upwards. He tries to say that “nobody would think that chicken fingers are actual fingers.” Like, chicken fingers is a colloquial name, and is not the same as a fuckin descriptor adjective. He might as well say that dairy-free ice cream can have dairy in it, because “no reasonable person would think ice cream wouldn’t have dairy in it.”

what a joke. This brought to you by the same supreme court that has ruled against the will of Ohio voters who voted for an anti-gerrymandering bill, just to have a republican led commission drag it’s feet, presenting identical maps, and instead of allowing the usage of an actual fair map, they just threw the baby out with bathwater, https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2023/11/28/ohio-supreme-court-dismisses-redistricting-challenge-leaving-statehouse-maps-in-place/

Just another reason I’ll never move back to my home state. conservatives ruined it.

_haha_oh_wow_ , in Flipboard Brings Local News to the Fediverse
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Neat, I forgot all about Flipboard. Glad to see someone pushing for more local news reporting, giant corporate takeovers have really hurt independent reporting on all levels but especially at the local level.

homesweethomeMrL , in Flipboard Brings Local News to the Fediverse

. . . so how does it work on, say, lemmy?

fubarx OP ,
homesweethomeMrL ,

Oh so an account is still needed, it’s just accessible through lemmy. Ok.

JoMiran , in Harvey Weinstein in hospital with Covid and double pneumonia, his team says
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kandoh , in AOC's Deepfake AI Porn Bill Unanimously Passes the Senate

Another law that will be used to target Gamers™

postmateDumbass ,

Also an attack on the 1st ammendnent.

roguetrick ,

Good.

scsi , (edited ) in Flipboard Brings Local News to the Fediverse

This is appears to be dark pattern marketing at play; they run a Mastodon instance which intercepts all links to the federated content and pushes you towards their for-profit site; it was actually not doing this earlier, when I visited a few links I actually got real mastodon content pages inconsistently.

Generally, if you visit anything like flipboard.social/@AlaskaBeacon it redirects you to to flipboard.com/@AlaskaBeacon which is entirely their for-profit presence. But then it doesn’t a few tries later after testing more - I watched within a minute the Texas BBQ one allow me to see the profile on flipboard.social, I reloaded and was suddenly redirected to their flipboard.com/TexasBBQ site.

It seems you might be able to load them into your own mastodon instance manually and it will work (I do see a profile page with legacy posts which hadn’t federated yet, so “no posts” at this early of a test). Something like myserver.social/@AlaskaBeacon will presumably work; I suspect though that all posts will be stubs that drive you towards flipboard.com to read the actual content, rather than a direct source (time will tell).

edit: s/is/appears to be/ to give benefit of the doubt

Ep1cFac3pa1m , in Uber and Lyft drivers remain independent contractors in California Supreme Court ruling
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Sounds like drivers need to form a trade union.

elucubra , in Boeing Starliner officials may know ‘root cause’ of issues with astronaut flight

The root cause has been identified as “Being built by Boeing”

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