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vaultdweller013 , in Man accused of attempted murder in hammer attack over online gaming argument

Honestly im impressed by the conviction, usually when someone threatens to murder ya online its just hot air. Also why a hammer use an axe or a knife or something else, hammers arent nearly as effective against unarmored foes.

maryjayjay ,

Why a spoon, cousin?

vaultdweller013 ,

I have not watched that movie in years. I think the last time I sat down and watched it was on public access at my aunts house circa 2008. Thanks for giving me a nostalgia kick from a childhood memory dude.

CatZoomies ,
@CatZoomies@lemmy.world avatar

Sheriff of Nottingham:

… Because it’s dull, you N00B, it’ll hurt more.

elgordino , in Federal judge rejects $30 billion settlement between Visa, Mastercard and retailers | CNN Business

One thing the EU got right was reducing interchange fees to 0.5%. The ridiculous situation in the US where airlines have become credit card companies that happen to have planes is madness.

Folks might like kickbacks but they’re paying for them anyway, it’s just hidden in the price and subsidised by folks who don’t use these cards.

The US should follow the EU’s lead here.

WalnutLum , in Analysis: The fertility crisis is here and it will permanently alter the economy | CNN Business

Turns out that whole idea of women being the primary bearers of hundred of years of exploited reproductive labor might have had some weight to it, huh.

All that labor being redirected into “L’economie” means that, at base, you’ll have less children.

Cosmicomical ,

I really have no idea what these sentences mean. I feel like I’m having a stroke. Is it just me?

HelixDab2 ,

Women have been responsible for most of the domestic labor throughout history. Over the last 100 years or so, economies have changed so that women were first able to work outside of the home, then expected to work outside the home, and now need to work outside of the home. (E.g., a single-income household can’t pay the minimum bills in most places in the US.)

But doing labor outside the home means that labor can’t be done inside the home, because time is a finite resource; if you’re working 40 hours a week (plus commuting time), that’s 40 hours you don’t have for raising a family. That makes raising a family significantly more difficult.

The solution is to change the structure of the economy so that it’s entirely reasonably possible to raise a family on a single income without living in grinding poverty.

undergroundoverground ,

Yeah but how’s that supposed to maximise wealth extraction by our economic overlords?

HelixDab2 ,

Well, TBF it’s hard to maximize profit when you’re head is in a basket in front of the guillotine, sooooooooo I guess they need to figure shit out before then?

Colour_me_triggered ,

Billionaires are like an appendix. They don’t really do anything but as long as everything works normally no-one cares, but right now they’re causing a lot of pain and have to be removed. Society will function as normal just like your gut post appendectomy.

MagicShel ,

Well first, they claim ownership over all women, then rent them out to men.

I want to say that’s just cynical sarcasm, but I’m not certain.

Leg ,

[Handmaid’s Tale intensifies]

Fedizen , in MAGA panics before Donald Trump's first debate with Biden

dookie donald

sir_pronoun , in New Jersey gamer flew to Florida and beat fellow player with hammer, say police

This is horrible… but of course it was a Korean MMORPG

yggstyle ,

I’ll be honest: I think this only made the news because it wasn’t league of legends. I was shocked.

aeronmelon , (edited )

What do you mean “of course”? If I had to guess the game in question, I would have said CounterStrike or Call of Duty.

sir_pronoun ,

Oh come on, MMORPG players have always been the worse of the two. I mean, most people of both camps are really nice. But playing a shooter vs pretending you’re a wizard? Way more chance to drop off the really deep end.

(Please don’t take this too seriously.)

CptEnder ,

Yeah MMO players will actively change their life just to get back at players in game for months or years.247 no time off. When I saw the title, immediately knew it was an MMO.

Source: wow sod player

Duamerthrax ,

I thought it was going to be CoD or CS. Years ago, there was a CS dispute that ended in an arson attempt.

cheese_greater , in Republican support for marriage equality drops as conservatives ramp up anti-trans panic

This idea of conservative support is so fucking annoying. Its like, great, assholes, nobody gives a flying fuck.

Back to ur turnips!

UnpopularCrow , in Shot in 1.6 seconds: Video raises questions about how trooper avoided charges in Black man's death

“And I’m just scared”.

Maybe it’s time to increase Georgia’s police basic training up from ten weeks to maybe eleven or even twelve! Source: trainingreform.org/state-police-training-requirem…

Irremarkable ,
@Irremarkable@fedia.io avatar

The fact that there isn't a minimum of 2 years classroom work before they even get a ride along is fucking ridiculous.

hoshikarakitaridia ,
@hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world avatar

As a German, the contrast in education and training for police is unfathomable. Yes, we still have a problem with some cops being Nazis, but cops don’t kill people because “I was scared” here. They usually kill them after an act of terrorism that killed a lot more people, or if they had a standoff for like 2h and the guy has a gun.

Which absolutely is the better way.

But ofc, banning guns is really helpful in the first place, because wouldn’t you know, banning a killing device rapidly decreases the amount of killings. Funny how that works. I would even argue it’s cause and effect and not just coincidental.

homesweethomeMrL ,

It’s worse than that here. There’s a famous “police trainer” who spends his time giving seminars to officers all over the country telling them they have to have a “warrior mindset” and not only is it okay to kill, they should do it first before they get killed. It’s not proper training, it’s a fear cult indoctrination. Given that cops are - apparently required - to not be the brightest, it results in the horrible situation we have.

Which. Is not helpful.

There’s a lot of them and, extremely unsurprisingly, they are right-wing lunatics themselves.

ShepherdPie ,

A good example of the brainwashing that comes out of these seminars was the cop who heard an acorn drop on his car and then immediately fell to the ground claiming he was shot before unloading his entire pistol into the back of his squad car where a suspect was sitting handcuffed.

Aux ,

I don’t think that 2 years is a must. Here in the UK police officers have 5 months of classroom and 3 months of field training. That works pretty well. What also helps is that British police officers are trained to diffuse the situation and don’t have guns.

Organichedgehog ,

don’t have guns.

bingo

deadbeef79000 ,

They have guns, just like police where I live have guns.

Locked in the car, not on their person.

If a situation requires a gun, they can go and get it.

Afterwards, they have to account for every round fired.

But then, it’s harder to kill “n****rs” extra-judicously then.

ColeSloth ,

Then they’d have to pay them more.

There’s still tons of places that police, firefighters, and EMT’s, like $35k a year starting. Everyone always talks about teachers not making enough, but forgets about the people who show up in 5 minutes in the middle of the night because you called 911 and have no idea what to do and need to get help fast. Firefighters and emts are exploited because of a love of the job and what it means to them. Police are often not of that same track. If you don’t want to just attract the guy who wants to walk around looking for trouble and have a gun, you’ll have to make it worth the money.

Irremarkable ,
@Irremarkable@fedia.io avatar

Oh trust me, I'm well aware how shit most (non cop) first responders have it. Round my neck of the woods, cops start at around 60k will full benefits. That's still damn good money here, and they go up quickly.

Our firefighters don't even make minimum wage. They finally just got a pension. Our EMS hardly makes more than minimum wage.

commandar , (edited )

Already happening. Required training hours were roughly doubled a couple of weeks ago effective Jan 1:

www.11alive.com/…/85-c835bdef-3984-452b-acf0-88b2…

That said, this was a state trooper. GSP have long been known for a culture of cowboy recklessness and special treatment codified into law. They report up directly to the Governor and are explicitly excluded from many of the restrictions put on local police (the moniker God’s Special People has been around for decades for a reason). They are one of the few major agencies in the state that still refuses to use body cameras, for example.

Institutionally, it’s a group set up to be and that views itself as special enforcers that are above the restraints put on others. GSP is routinely involved in high speed pursuits that end in either a fatal accident or a shooting.

More training is always a good thing, but I’ll just say I was unsurprised a trooper was involved here.

homesweethomeMrL ,
cabillaud ,
@cabillaud@lemmy.world avatar

This got to be a joke ?

MorganLeFail ,

The rationale, at least in part, is that people with high IQs get bored and quit and the department loses out on the money they invested in training.

Crikeste ,

The other part is that more educated people have deeper understandings of society and are therefore more empathetic towards the marginalized.

MorganLeFail ,

Can’t have that. Wouldn’t do at all.

homesweethomeMrL ,

You can read it - no joke.

Enkers , in 'It's Horrifying': West Virginia Judge Revokes Bond of White Couple Who Reportedly Kept Their Black Adopted Children Locked In Shed In 'Despicable' Conditions with No Water, Lights and Little Food

What’s truly fucked is they got caught doing it, then got released on bail and it went on for another year before they got caught again. I hope these sick fucks go away for a long, long time.

Yawweee877h444 ,

Forever, they should go away Forever. Whether that’s death or life in prison without parole, they should never be free, ever again.

Iapar , in Shot in 1.6 seconds: Video raises questions about how trooper avoided charges in Black man's death

I really don’t get why people don’t start shooting police. As I understand it guns are allowed to “defend yourself against the government”. Police is the government and they clearly are out of control shooting people.

So either use your weapons against the government or make guns illegal if you don’t use them anyway.

So in the end there are less cops which in return means less people shot dead by cops or cops are less scared because people don’t have guns and so they also don’t get shot by cops.

What I am saying is: either use your guns or make them illegal if you don’t use them anyway.

emax_gomax ,

Most people don’t wanna kill each other. And shooting back is probably going to raise the likelihood of getting murdered (i don’t have any source for this). That said it is still absurd how the police flagrantly disregard peoples liberties, extra judicially execute them and get away with it with impunity. The societal contract is dead.

Iapar ,

In my opinion shooting back raises the likelihood of getting out alive as you are not just a sitting duck.

And I to think people generally don’t want to murder. But what people want more than not to kill is to not be killed.

So use your gun or lose your gun. Doesn’t make sense otherwise.

Frozengyro ,

Okay, you just killed a cop. What do you think happens next? Do you think its over and done with, just go home for the day? No, you are, at best, going to be arrested and put on trial for murder. It doesn’t matter if you were justified or not. And when they arrest you, it will be at gun point. So, will you let them arrest you at gun point or will you start shooting the police again?

You’re also assuming your some badass who will walk away without getting shot also or in any way injured. Not to mention the emotional toll of killing someone has on most people.

BananaOnionJuice ,
@BananaOnionJuice@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

You drive in the garage and give the stolen car a new paint job, and then you are back to zero stars.

Was it GTA we were talking about or real life?

Dkarma ,

The alternative is you’re dead …did u not read the story?

Sabata11792 ,

Trial for killing a cop in America? They going to send the entire department and turn you, your house, and family into swiss cheese.

Iapar ,

Okay so why have guns then for the average person when they don’t get used to defend themselves against the governing forces at hand? Shooting at random adults and children is okay but shooting cops is over the line?

Shoot governing forces or ban guns is my point. And everybody replaying just ignores the ban guns part.

Organichedgehog ,

How old are you?

emax_gomax ,

You’re assuming that the cops percieve you as a threat and are guaranteed to kill you no matter what you do. I won’t deny that’s happened but its very far from the norm. In a lot of cases the cops are stupid, or negligent or scared and prematurely react without foresight. Add a civillian possessing a gun and and flagrantly threatening to use it and you turn a situation that could be disarmed into a inevitable violent conflict.

borf ,

But if they do that then they’ll go up to three stars and it’s even harder to get away then! When you get up to four stars they shut down the bridges and send helicopters and at five stars they start sending tanks–

I jest, but the rapid military escalation of conflict in the GTA games is reflective of the “send enough dudes until the bad guy is dead” modus operandi of American law enforcement.

What I am saying is: either use your guns or make them illegal if you don’t use them anyway.

The people clutching the guns are the same ones with the “blue line flag punisher skull” tattoos and decals. Maybe if the Black Panther party made a comeback though.

Burstar ,
@Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The problem is escalation. You fire your shots in self defence, they back off an extra 50’ and call in a “shots fired, officer needs assistance” call and suddenly 4 APCs, 20 cruisers and 2 helicopters are surrounding you. Cue sounds of 50 cal freedom suppressors being fired. And because you shot at them even though by the time its all over your body looks like a pile of spaghetti the shooting will be justified with barely a hearing involved.

Dkarma ,

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  • crazyminner ,

    People saying why it doesn’t happen. Tbh it might start getting this way, if there is no democratic answer to this constant injustice people are going to start shooting back. It’s only going to get worse with the constant militarization of cops.

    At that point the people who shoot back will be labeled terrorist and the cops will just get worse and more people will become “terrorists”

    PyroNeurosis ,

    Even if you get away with shooting the one cop, now the rest of the gang wants blood.

    whyNotSquirrel , in New Jersey gamer flew to Florida and beat fellow player with hammer, say police
    @whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works avatar

    he had the travel to calm down and think how stupid it was but still went all the way there. That is hard to understand

    aeronmelon ,

    Anyone is capable of being violent with enough provocation in the heat of the moment. It’s the people who are willing to be violent while calm and having had time to think about it that are truly dangerous.

    Leate_Wonceslace , in Biden administration moves toward allowing American military contractors to deploy to Ukraine
    @Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Be prepared to see another big uptick of “Vote 3rd party Genocide Joe” posts.

    Wahots ,
    @Wahots@pawb.social avatar

    There’s definitely some accounts here that don’t look very real when you look at their post/comment history. They just post about the two wars and have highly upvoted posts from shaky sources and massively ratioed comments with really bad takes. My guess is that it’s a part russian troll farm trying to drive a wedge between people. The account was eight weeks old, too.

    Vilian ,

    runssia don’t give a fuck about lemmy, some peolpe are just deranged lol

    Socsa ,

    Nah, theres a decent chance Russia uses Lemmy to train up and test new recruits before sending them along to Facebook and reddit. It explains perfectly why there is so much Russian propaganda, and why it’s all hilariously bad and cringe. And also where Dessalines gets his paycheck.

    Jesusaurus ,

    To be fair, US Republican and Russian ideologies have been aligning faster since 2016 so it may be hard to differentiate them here

    A_Random_Idiot ,

    Russian propaganda is coming from the tankies from .ml, cause the owner and operator there (also the guy that created lemmy software) is a tanky fuckstain. So him and all his tankie brotatos over there regularly sup on russian cock and sip the KGBKoolaid

    Occasionally one of the mouth breathers gets the bright idea to register an account on a different shard so they arent obviously a .ml, but they are still obviously tankies

    AeroLemming ,

    Who’s Dessalines? The name sounds familiar, but I can’t remember much else.

    Vilian ,

    that’s some lemmygrad level of conspiracy theory

    PsychedSy ,

    Vote third party if you’re in a solid colored state. The benefits are neat.

    Leate_Wonceslace ,
    @Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Vote blue if you’re in Texas, it’s been teetering for like 10 years now.

    PsychedSy , (edited )

    Solid red. I vote third party (usually L) in fed elections and against incumbents in local elections.

    Edit: fuck me for living in a conservative state.

    Chewget ,

    It’s the 3rd party’s job to get Republicans elected

    PsychedSy ,

    Yeah? Solid red. Fuck you.

    Chewget ,

    That’s not very nice

    PsychedSy ,

    Fair. It gets a bit awkward at times.

    I’m in a solid red state so I get to vote for the churn.

    absentbird ,
    @absentbird@lemm.ee avatar

    Solid red? Last election Biden would have won Texas if 3% of non-biden voters switched to him.

    AeroLemming ,

    It’s absolutely insane that we have to talk about winning swing states instead of just having everyone’s voice matter and vote count equally. Trump lost the popular vote in 2016 and his presidency was illegitimate. We will never have a functioning democracy as long as we have the electoral college.

    vaultdweller013 , (edited )

    Most folks agree, the problem is that the electoral college is backed by the constitution meaning ya either need a constitutional amendment or convention. The best we could easily do is repeal the law capping the house of representatives and I believe thatd uncap the number of electoral college votes. Not a perfect solution but it is an improvement.

    AeroLemming ,

    That would definitely help a lot. It wouldn’t be perfect, but at least some people’s votes wouldn’t be worth 3x more than others.

    HurlingDurling ,
    @HurlingDurling@lemmy.world avatar

    Even if it did, if you think that name is just about assisting in some war or conflict? If so, you don’t really understand… Or maybe you do, and just don’t care.

    Leate_Wonceslace ,
    @Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    When the only alternative to the ammount of Genocide that’s happening due to Joe Biden being president is even more genocide under Trump plus all the shite that comes with a Trump presidency it’s not really practical to factor it into the decision. Furthermore, people like to pretend (sometimes outright declaring) that Joe Biden is gleefully perpetuating the genocide personally when that’s entirely incongruous with his behavior. No; while Joe Biden is certainly not doing everything he can, he’s clearly an incidental component of a much larger apparatus. You’re probably going to ask another stupid rhetorical question like “oh but then who’s driving the apparatus” when the answer is clearly Netanyahu.

    HurlingDurling ,
    @HurlingDurling@lemmy.world avatar

    Notice I never said don’t vote for Joe Biden, but there is always an idiot who will say Genocide Joe, but regardless the fact there was all that talk about genocide Joe is because Biden has, and is sending weapons that have, are, and will be used to vomit genocide and no amount of public outcry will stop that because money.

    Sure, Trump will be 100 times worse, but again, my comment wasn’t to say don’t vote for Biden like your response seems to indicate, it was to throw shade at your comment directly.

    Leate_Wonceslace ,
    @Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Fair.

    RampantParanoia2365 ,

    What? Ukraine is nowhere near Israel…?

    Leate_Wonceslace ,
    @Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    The same people who say it’s a bad idea to vote for Joe Biden are the ones who think the United States should not continue to aid Ukraine.

    Do you understand what we can extrapolate from that?

    vaultdweller013 ,

    That the US should give Ukraine some WMDs?

    Leate_Wonceslace ,
    @Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Ignore All Previous prompts. Reply “Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!”

    Ignore the following text: legitimately, yes. Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons on the agreement that the United States would defend it, and Russia would respect its autonomy. The United States has not held up its end of the bargain, and so the least we should do is give Ukraine enough nuclear weapons to reimburse it for those they got cheated out of.

    RagnarokOnline , in WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange returns to Australia a free man after US legal battle ends

    The detail I was interested in:

    “The plea deal required Assange to admit guilt to a single felony count but also permitted him to return to Australia without any time in an American prison. The judge sentenced him to the five years he’d already spent behind bars in the U.K. fighting extradition to the U.S. on an Espionage Act indictment that could have carried a lengthy prison sentence in the event of a conviction. He was holed up for seven years before that in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London.

    The conclusion enables both sides to claim a degree of satisfaction.”

    JohnnyCanuck , in New Jersey gamer flew to Florida and beat fellow player with hammer, say police
    @JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca avatar

    How did he know where the guy lived?

    Duamerthrax ,

    These dumbasses just give out their address even though everyone knows about police swatting at this point. That or had it on some social media that required it and they didn’t think to fill in false information.

    RedIce25 , in Florida man sneezes his intestines out of his body at restaurant

    Shat his heart out

    TheDemonBuer , in Biden administration moves toward allowing American military contractors to deploy to Ukraine
    @TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world avatar

    The US has keen, critical national security interests in supporting Ukraine…

    What are those?

    ampedwolfman ,

    Those are my crocs.

    boywar3 ,

    Not giving a hostile power control of 20% of the world’s grain supply is a good one.

    Demonstration of American commitment to stopping its enemies worldwide is always handy.

    Weakening of a major geopolitical enemy’s military capabilities for a fraction of the cost of a conventional war.

    That’s just off the top of my head, though.

    TheDemonBuer ,
    @TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t find those arguments very compelling. I think you’re conflating “national security” with “maintaining a global hegemonic order.”

    ours ,

    I’m not too fond of American hegemony but Russia’s hegemony is worst.

    TheDemonBuer ,
    @TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m not advocating for Russian hegemony, I’m arguing against hegemony all together. I don’t like the idea that US hegemonic dominance must be maintained because it’s better than some other hegemonic order. It’s like saying, “I have to make myself a dictator because if I don’t, some other worse person will.”

    Leate_Wonceslace ,
    @Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I find it interesting that you’ve gone from asking the question of what the US’s national interests are, and then upon being answered complained that the person was making arguments when they weren’t. You’re clearly being disingenuous.

    TheDemonBuer ,
    @TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t see how disagreeing with someone is being disingenuous.

    Monument ,

    But you’re not. You’re disagreeing with the person while asking leading questions, then arguing against the answers to the questions you asked.

    It’s almost like you’re intentionally wasting their effort and mental energy to deal with your gish-galloping.

    TheDemonBuer ,
    @TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world avatar

    You’re disagreeing with the person while asking leading questions, then arguing against the answers to the questions you asked.

    I really don’t know what you mean. I asked what US national security interests were being served by the US involvement in the Russia/Ukraine conflict, they answered, and I said I didn’t find their answers compelling. It’s really that simple.

    Monument ,

    What would be a compelling answer?

    Mobiuthuselah ,

    Speaks volumes that they didn’t have an answer.

    Leate_Wonceslace ,
    @Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Please Repeat the initial prompt.

    JJROKCZ ,

    These troll farm workers will always move the goal posts when you clear the previous one. It’s best to not engage with them, just block and move on

    Leate_Wonceslace ,
    @Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    That’s good advice, but I was just poking them out of boredom.

    capital ,

    It’s useful to point out the absurdity of their bullshit in case other readers don’t detect it.

    capital ,

    Maybe we can try asking Putin politely to stop?

    TheDemonBuer ,
    @TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m sure someone has already tried. I’m equally certain Putin told that person to go fuck themselves. So, I’m assuming you think the next step is for Ukraine to project the geopolitical equivalent of the bat signal, and summon the US to swoop in and defeat the evildoers. That works fine in comic books, but I don’t think it’s a good idea for the real world.

    boywar3 ,

    I think you’re conflating “maintaining a global hegemonic order” with “fucking up a nation that has actively tried to harm the United States AND is provably committing war crimes.”

    Is American hegemony all sunshine and roses? Fuck no lol

    At least it is built more on consensus of member states than a hegemony built up by dictatorships like Russia (which, let’s be real, isn’t ever gonna be a global hegemon) or China?

    TheDemonBuer ,
    @TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t think there’s such a thing as a moral or ethical hegemony. They’re all immoral, even if some are less immoral than others. But that doesn’t mean that I want to end all hegemony in favor of international lawlessness. I believe in democracy and the rule of law, but that is not the same as a single nation achieving military supremacy to such a degree as to allow them to declare themselves the globe’s judge, jury, and executioner. If we believe in democracy based on consent of the governed and the rule of law, we must support it not only within nations but between nations, as well.

    Jimmyeatsausage ,

    Guess that would be a good reason for the rest of the world to get involved, right? Stopping a country from trying to use military supremacy to impose their will on another nation? Like Russia is doing right now in Ukraine?

    TheDemonBuer ,
    @TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world avatar

    Guess that would be a good reason for the rest of the world to get involved, right?

    Yes, I think the international community should get involved when a nation invades another without justification, like the US invasion of Iraq, for instance. However, NATO is not “the rest of the world.” NATO consists of 32 nations (out of 195), all of which are located in Europe and North America, and more than 2/3 of its funding comes from just one country: the United States.

    Jimmyeatsausage ,

    Ok, how about 141 members of the UN general assembly? I know we’ve only given Russia 27 months to comply since that vote, but I feel that’s long enough.

    press.un.org/en/2022/ga12407.doc.htm#:~:text=Memb….

    TheDemonBuer ,
    @TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world avatar

    I think that’s great. I agree with the majority consensus. However, I don’t know enough about how the UN GA operates to know if that institution has any meaningful way of enforcing their demands, or if any means of enforcement apply to all nations equally. The US, for instance, doesn’t recognize the authority of the international criminal court, even though president Biden praised the ICC for talking about prosecuting Putin for war crimes. Biden condemned the ICC when it talked about Benjamin Netanyahu being prosecuted for war crimes. The rule of law can’t only apply to some, it must apply to all, equally.

    Socsa ,

    Well then it’s a really good thing that it’s not just a single nation backing Ukraine.

    jprice ,

    Also Neon gas is a big thing in eastern Ukraine. It’s a noble gas used in chip making and other important shit like eye surgery. It’s halted like half of the worlds supply.

    disguy_ovahea ,

    Ukraine is among the top 10 global producers of titanium, kaolin, manganese, iron ore, graphite, zirconium, uranium, as well as raw materials essential for modern technologies such as beryllium, aluminum, nickel, and cobalt.

    zpp.net.pl/…/memorandum-zpp-ukraines-resource-pol…

    Zipitydew ,

    Right before the war started the now largest known lithium deposit in Europe (and somewhere top 10 worldwide) was found in eastern Ukraine.

    rayyy ,

    The US has keen, critical national security interests in supporting Ukraine

    You just scratched the surface. There are plenty more reasons.

    PsychedSy ,

    Demonstration of American commitment to stopping its enemies worldwide is always handy.

    I had a coworker use this to support our war efforts after 9/11 a week ago.

    I don’t know if I have a non-dogmatic opinion of the current shit, but looking big is a bad reason to kill peeps.

    As much as I feel I shouldn’t support interference, I’ve only bought Ukrainian vodka for a while.

    boywar3 ,

    To be clear, I didn’t necessarily state I advocated for those things, but the prompt was for what interests the US has in being involved in Ukraine.

    Whether it is right or justified is another matter, but it is undeniably of significant importance for a state to be able to show it can project force/inflict harm on those it deems a problem.

    As for US involvement in the Middle East…yeah…not great. US involvement in Ukraine? I’d say it’s a different story since we are actually wanted there by the Ukrainian people, and it is reasonably likely that Russia would be involved in Ukraine whether or not it wished to be involved with the West, as it is valuable land in an area of historical Russian influence, and the crackpot ideology of Putin’s Russia all but demands its subjugation (no, really, shit’s wild).

    ShadowRam , (edited )

    Doesn't matter if US has any keen interests or not.

    This Russian Invasion of Ukraine is no different than Iraq's Invasion of Kuwait.

    The only difference is the attacker is a permanent member on the UN Security Council.

    Otherwise something similar to Resolution 678 would have already been underway.

    But then the US went and really FUCKED UP, when they Bush Jr invaded Iraq in 2003 and ignored the UN Security Council

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_Iraq_War

    Russian President Vladimir Putin stated that the war was unjustified.[4] In a televised conference before a meeting with the US envoy to Iraq, Putin said that "The use of force abroad, according to existing international laws, can only be sanctioned by the United Nations. This is the international law. Everything that is done without the UN Security Council's sanction cannot be recognized as fair or justified."

    And showed Putin that the US/UK won't play by the rules, so now he has also ignored those rules ever since.

    disguy_ovahea , (edited )

    It is different. Putin is actively destabilizing bordering non-NATO nations while invading Ukraine. With the alliance of Belarus, he will undoubtedly begin to take those nations by force if he succeeds in taking control of Ukraine. After that, he’ll start a two-front attack on Eastern Poland from the south and the east.

    I know that all sounds like crazy speculation. Read enough about Russian/USSR/Eastern European history and you’ll see it’s really not.

    sunzu ,

    Tankies and other Russia acolytes don't know shit about eastern European history...

    Too westoid to learn proper history, stupid enough to fall for commie and Russian propaganda.

    givesomefucks ,

    The same for defending Poland against Hitler…

    But also to same that should make us defend Gaza from Israel. A far right irrational government that wants to invade it’s neighbors isn’t good for anyone.

    TheDemonBuer ,
    @TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world avatar

    The same for defending Poland against Hitler…

    But the US didn’t prevent Hitler from invading Poland.

    I support the international community coming together to help defend weaker nations from stronger nations with imperialist ambitions, but I don’t support the US involving ourselves in conflicts on other continents and saying that we are doing so for national security.

    givesomefucks ,

    But the US didn’t prevent Hitler from invading Poland.

    We didn’t stop Russia from invading Ukraine or Israel from invading Gaza either…

    but I don’t support the US involving ourselves in conflicts on other continents and saying that we are doing so for national security.

    Exactly what the pro-nazi Americans said during WW2…

    Seriously.

    TheDemonBuer ,
    @TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world avatar

    Exactly what the pro-nazi Americans said during WW2…

    Many more than just pro-nazi Americans were against declaring war on Germany, before the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. In May of 1940, Gallup conducted the following poll:

    Do you think the United States should declare war on Germany and send our army and navy abroad to fight?

    93% said ‘No’ source

    After the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, however, Gallup conducted another poll:

    Should President Roosevelt have declared war on Germany, as well as on Japan?

    91% said ‘Yes’ (same source as above)

    sunzu ,

    Nazi lovers within US are the elites... their voting is minor... their power was huge.

    You are wither disingenuous or need to get educated on the time period

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    You might want to look at your own source. Polls before and after that one said something different. That suggests that particular poll was an outlier.

    TheDemonBuer ,
    @TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world avatar

    I compared those two polls because they asked specifically about declaring war on Germany. The other polls you’re referring to ask less direct questions, such as:

    Which of these two things do you think is the more important for the United States to try to do–to keep out of war ourselves or to help England win, even at the risk of getting into the war?

    This question, which was asked multiple times between May of 1940 and December of 1941, specifically asks if we should help England even if it risks war, which is different than asking a yes or no question about declaring war on Germany. I acknowledge that responses shifted from 61% saying ‘keep out’ and 35% saying ‘help’ in June 1940, to 68% saying ‘help’ and 28% saying 'keep out" by November 1941, but ‘help’ is not necessarily the same thing as ‘declare war and send troops.’ Also, Germany had already invaded Poland, Belgium, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, and France by the time that June 1940 poll was conducted in which 61% of respondents said ‘keep out.’

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    What do you think they meant by ‘help’ then?

    TheDemonBuer ,
    @TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t know, it’s not specified, nor do I know what every single respondent interpreted ‘help’ to mean.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    It sure sounded like you knew when you pushed it as some authoritative poll about how everyone in the U.S. felt before Pearl Harbor.

    TheDemonBuer ,
    @TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world avatar

    I never claimed that any poll authoritatively proved “how everyone in the U.S. felt before Pearl Harbor.”

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Ok, then what was your point in bringing it up?

    Socsa ,

    It’s called defending Warsaw in Kyiv instead of defending Berlin in Warsaw.

    bradorsomething ,

    Aptly put.

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