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Octagon9561 , in Elon May Have a Huge Issue Because Microsoft Owns the “X” Trademark

As amusing as it is to see Elon fail, letters like “X” shoud not be trademarkable. Just one indicator that we’re truly reaching capitalist extremism levels of insanity.

sab ,

Also, how the hell could Microsoft get a patent for X in 2003 when X has been around since 1984, and is pretty much a direct competitor? This makes no sense at all.

fiat_lux ,

The law is a weapon of the rich. You don't have to be right, you just have to be able to afford out-lawyering your competition. Patents are especially revolting.

sab ,

Of course, my question was rhetorical. I guess it didn't come out so clearly considering it's also, at least in theory, a damned good question.

fiat_lux ,

It was probably clear enough, you just caught me half-asleep and unmedicated. I really dislike patents.

nefarious ,

Trademarks can apply to different areas. In this case, Microsoft's trademark is for services related to online chat and gaming, not for something like a window manager.

https://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn76041368&docId=ORC20030304054014&linkId=20#docIndex=19&page=1

sab ,

Makes sense I guess. Somehow also makes the trademark even more absurd.

Reminds me a little of Apple v. Apple Records, and how Apple promised never too use their brand to enter into the music industry (like they later did with iTunes anyway).

FlowVoid , (edited )

In 1991, Apple Computer made an agreement to pay Apple Records $26 million in exchange for letting Apple Computer use the “Apple” trademark for music. But that was long before iTunes, they wanted the Apple trademark for their computer chimes. Apple Records agreed to let Apple Computer use the Apple trademark for music as long as it did not “package, sell or distribute physical music materials.”

Much later, iTunes was developed and Apple Records sued Apple Computer. Eventually a judge sided with Apple Computer, pointing out that iTunes did not package, sell or distribute physical music materials. Thus, Apple Records couldn’t get another bite of that Apple…

ThoughtGoblin ,

How is Xorg a “direct competitor” to Microsoft? Especially Microsoft’s trademark to X in the gaming market where they own the Xbox and Xorg doesn’t participate at all?

Trademarks protect consumers by preventing fraud and misleading naming. It makes perfect sense that Microsoft owns X in the given market space due to the enormous prevalence of Xbox. Their first console was literally X-shaped and it would be bad for consumers for anyone to be able to make the “X-station” or “X-cube” or some such.

sab ,

One could not imagine Linux without X11 in 2003. And in 2003, the situation between Microsoft and Linux was rather tense.

That said, I managed to somehow forget about Xbox. I agree it makes sense that Sony couldn't launch an "X console" with a gigantic X on the side.

So yes, I want thinking it through. I do however think that using this trademark against X.xom would be ill conceived, no matter how much I hate Musk. If they start moving into gaming it might be different though, so fair enough.

Thanks for making me think it through more! :)

GustavoM ,
@GustavoM@lemmy.world avatar

“You better not touch the F word! Call of Duty did it first!”

Welp. I can see it happening.

quindraco ,

Trademarks are a government-enforced (i.e. publicly-mandated) monopoly, which is fundamentally antithetical to capitalism.

Capitalism: “an economic and political system in which a country’s trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit.”

For sure, there are many shades of grey to be had here, and the world has 0 purely capitalist societies (in fact, such a society is inherently impossible). But every time the public controls trade and industry, e.g. when enforcing trademark law, that isn’t capitalism.

Fibby ,
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Private property laws are a government-enforced (i.e. publicly-mandated) style of ownership.

Fure sure, there are many shades of grey to be had here, but Elon Musk owning Twitter is the ultimate form of communism.

lolcatnip , (edited )

Trademarks only cover very significant uses. Microsoft can (and apparently did) trademark X in connection to the Xbox, so competitors can’t make a game console called an XStation or PlayStation X, but people not making video game consoles aren’t affected.

[Edit: Man, Lemmy is weird. I deleted this comment right after posting it because I thought it was redundant. I only undeleted it because I saw it was the top-rated comment in its sub-thread.]

batmaniam ,

You can also protect colors. Like there is a defined “target red” and “home depot orange” (probably a twitter blue that I guess will be up for grabs soon). You could use that orange to open, say, a day-care, hair salon, or auto-shop, but not a hardware store. Basically if you can show it would cause consumer confusion you can protect it.

md5crypto , in Morgan Stanley Credits ‘Bidenomics’ for Economic Surge

So what is Bidenomics? I guess you could say it’s ‘doing fuck all’ which the free market prefers anyways. Sure better than trying to impose a lot of socialist policies and tax hikes. I fail to see why the left would be pleased with this.

lolcatnip ,

“Socialist”, right.

md5crypto ,

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  • lolcatnip ,

    alphabet-people

    Nice dog whistle you got there.

    md5crypto ,

    I think I made myself quite plain.

    Holyginz ,

    Oh you did for sure. That you have no idea what you are talking about and hate what you don’t understand, which I’m sure is a lot.

    gmtom ,

    Better you people waste your lives being edgy on niche social media platforms to get reactions out of strangers, than actually going out in the real world and making things worse there.

    assassin_aragorn ,

    can you name a single Biden tax hike to date

    The alternative minimum tax for corporations, where the absurdly rich companies have to pay at least 15% or something, even if they claim $0 tax burden?

    zombuey OP ,

    I am curious are you or your parent religious? Did you attend church as a child? This is not a slight or some sort of insult I am simply curious.

    Holyginz ,

    If you were just going to rant about things you don’t understand you would have been better off staying silent and not having people see how little you understand.

    generalpotato , in Elon May Have a Huge Issue Because Microsoft Owns the “X” Trademark

    I meannnn I don’t “hate” Musk, but boy…. Is he an idiot who deserves all the shit that he gets. My 7yr old is probably smarter than him atm.

    yip-bonk , in Analysis | Twitter rival Mastodon rife with child-abuse material, study finds
    @yip-bonk@kbin.social avatar

    WaPo’s coverage of the 2016 Presidential race was a master class in journalistic nihilism. Why sure, let’s read their point of view on social media via a study they found that supports it.

    schroedingershat , in Macron on how to stop young rioters: Get mum and dad to restore order

    Remember kids! Fascism starts in the home! If we work together and stop empathy early we can keep punishing the poor and disadvantaged!

    Tedesche , in Israel's parliament greenlights controversial judicial reform amid raging protests

    What a disgrace. Israel’s Left really needs to pull itself together and vote these nutjobs out of power. Hamas and Hezbollah must be ecstatic right now.

    lolcatnip ,

    The impression I get from news stories about this issue is that the left has been pulling out all the stops and generally doing a great job, but the right just can’t be stopped at this point.

    betterdeadthanreddit , in Twitter removed half its HQ sign — then the police arrived

    It’s too bad they didn’t start from the top and work their way down. Might have gotten lucky and ended up with this until work could resume:

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/6509cde6-7f9f-481a-8b19-a1a0d5f4bcfd.jpeg

    Pilkitonion ,

    That would of been beautiful!

    mindbleach ,

    (Would have.)

    ThePantser ,
    @ThePantser@lemmy.world avatar

    And that’s how you get Leo Laporte to sue. They already had a agreement not to sue Twitter since Twit was first.

    FoxBJK ,
    @FoxBJK@midwest.social avatar

    I don’t know if Leo cares about that anymore. He’s been saying he’s done with Twitter for a few weeks at least.

    Mountaineer ,
    @Mountaineer@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t know if Leo cares about that anymore. He’s been saying he’s done with Twitter for a few weeks at least.

    At least a year.

    But in a recent TWIT (2 weeks ago maybe), all of the guest panelists admitted that they were all still maintaining their followings on Twitter and hopeful that they could move to Threads.

    It’s all just whores being whores, which is what Elon is relying on.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Yep. I love The Majority Report and they spend a lot of entertaining minutes bashing Elon, and yet they still maintain their Twitter accounts. I understand engagement is important when you have a podcast, but at some point shouldn’t your morals take precedence?

    tram1 , in Elon May Have a Huge Issue Because Microsoft Owns the “X” Trademark

    Pretty sure X has existed since Ancient Greece at least. Maybe even the Phoenicians before the Greek alphabet?

    blacklizardplanet , in Spotify raises premium subscription price for millions

    If you’re on Android, try out InnerTune. Just found it myself.

    holiday , in White House says it does not back Ukraine attacks inside Russia

    Of course they are going to say that publicly. You know the back channels are entirely full bellied laughter and “what’s next?”

    Radium , in Macron on how to stop young rioters: Get mum and dad to restore order

    Says the guy married to a woman his mothers age

    Ryan213 , in Spotify raises premium subscription price for millions
    @Ryan213@lemmy.world avatar

    Hmm…my MP3 subscription has been the same price since the 90s.

    charonn0 , in ‘Judeo-Christian’ roots will ensure U.S. military AI is used ethically, general says
    @charonn0@startrek.website avatar

    The obvious bias of such a statement aside, one important problem with developing true general AI is that you can’t be sure the AI’s values align with your own.

    ryathal , in White House says it does not back Ukraine attacks inside Russia

    Of course they don’t, they aren’t interested in a decisive Ukrainian win. The US would be ecstatic if this war lasted a decade with Russia being stuck in a no win situation.

    BombOmOm ,
    @BombOmOm@lemmy.world avatar

    Russia should probably just leave Ukraine then.

    ryathal ,

    That’s ultimately going to happen.

    Rhaedas , in White House says it does not back Ukraine attacks inside Russia
    @Rhaedas@kbin.social avatar

    "Yeah, you guys shouldn't be doing that. Anyway..."

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