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Jackolantern , in Trump may have violated copyright law by selling mugshot merchandise

I really can’t believe that he was a former president and “leader” of the most powerful military that ever existed.

Wookie ,
@Wookie@artemis.camp avatar

It is insane how one clown could cause so much havoc, not even a bright one at that

CrabAndBroom ,

I think the problem is, that the system was set up on the assumption that you’d have to be a semi-reasonable person to end up as president. Like there are checks an balances set up to reign in your dictators and evil genius types, but they didn’t really account for a complete moron getting in there and just running hog wild.

It’s a bit like setting up a really elaborate security system to catch any kind of sneaky burglar, and then someone just flattens your house with a tank for no reason.

someguy3 , in Trump may have violated copyright law by selling mugshot merchandise

Lmao, they’re right.

Tb0n3 , in Trump may have violated copyright law by selling mugshot merchandise

I hate that a shitty picture taken as part of legal proceedings is copyrightable. Just like research paid for by the government should be free and unencumbered, so should things produced by the government itself.

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  • CrabAndBroom ,

    Yeah I think most (all?) NASA stuff is IIRC. If Trump was a planet there’d be no worries.

    Hobbes ,

    It may not be allowed to use NASA images for commercial purposes though.

    Edit: looked into it. Not only is it allowed, permission is not even required to use it commercially.

    nickhammes ,

    Employees of the federal government generate IP that generally goes into the public domain. States can decide whether their employees, or municipalities ’ employees’ IP goes into the public domain or not. By default, it does not, and from briefly looking into it, it seems most states accept the default, and very few put it into the public domain, or allow for broad use of state-generated IP.

    It makes sense, and it isn’t a rule narrowly targeted at mugshots, but I’m not sure how to interpret it as a good thing. More government workers’ IP going into the public domain seems like it would better serve the public interest. Even if it allows Trump to do nonsense like this.

    merridew , (edited )

    Federal government works generally aren’t domestically copyrightable. They are considered to be in the public domain within the USA.

    en.wikipedia.org/…/Copyright_status_of_works_by_t…

    ETA: I will add that that USA has some of the best protections for Fair Use. But Fair Use definitely doesn’t extend to selling it at that scale.

    These are the tests for Fair Use:

    • the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; [very commercial]
    • the nature of the copyrighted work; [photographic, publicly available]
    • the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and [100% of it]
    • the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. [Effectively eliminated the value to the copyright holder]
    stopthatgirl7 OP ,
    @stopthatgirl7@kbin.social avatar

    This isn’t federal, though. This is state.

    merridew ,

    Yes exactly. It isn’t in the public domain, and so is still protected by copyright, and arguably fails the test for Fair Use. But OP’s earlier comment suggested they were not aware that federal works sit in the public domain.

    CmdrShepard ,

    The law is a federal law though.

    dogslayeggs ,

    It is a federal law that only applies to federal works. This is a state case with a state mugshot that is a state work.

    CmdrShepard ,

    This isn’t accurate as there is no such thing as a federal work or state work nor is there any actual court case. The law covers the whole country and it’s explained in the first sentence of the article:

    Donald Trump’s campaign may have violated United States copyright law by selling merchandise featuring the former president’s mugshot, legal experts have warned.

    dogslayeggs ,

    US Copyright law is a federal law about how copyrights are protected, but the posted regulation is about what federal work is copyrighted and NOT applicable to how state work is copyrighted. It even says it right there in the title: “Copyright_status_of_works_by_the_federal_government_of_the_United_States.” The jail photographer is not an employee of the federal government, nor is the trial an activity of the federal government. This photo was not a work by the federal government.

    CmdrShepard ,

    Woops I didn’t realize you were referring to the upper level comment and not the main post. My apologies!

    dogslayeggs ,

    No worries. The big issue is how does Georgia law apply to photographs taken by a state employee as part of the stated job functions for their official job. It’s one thing for an employee to take a photo while on the job, but when their specific job is to take an official photo then I think it would be ridiculous for that person to own the copyright and it not be public property (like NASA images). Should DMV employees own the copyright to license photos?

    CmdrShepard ,

    I’m not a lawyer but my layman’s opinion is that the state should retain ownership over the photo. To give an example, where I live a company began scraping mugshot photos and then compiling them into a newspaper that they distributed and sold for profit. It became really popular but it also drew a lot of negative attention since this company was earning money by spreading photos and arrest records of people that hadn’t even been convicted of a crime. The solution here was to just stop posting mugshots online, which was effective, but didn’t address ownership of the photos at all.

    This isn’t exactly a 1:1 comparison since Trump was the subject of the photo and also the one selling merch, but I think there’s a valid argument against allowing people to privately sell products based off work/production funded by the public.

    ji59 ,

    I think the reason for this copyright is so nobody can massively shame the convinced. But nobody thought anyone would be proud about it so much to share it themselves.

    Tb0n3 ,

    That works out so well for Florida man.

    elbarto777 ,

    He’s not proud of it. He’s just saying he is, so that people stops laughing at him. The fucked up pay is that he’s making money out of it. But you bet he’s seething over that mugshot. Especially because he said Hilary Clinton would be in jail. And he was technically in jail first.

    atzanteol ,

    The reason for the copyright is that you automatically get a copyright on any photograph. It seems unlikely the sheriff’s office would want to enforce it. This is all wishful thinking.

    CoderKat ,

    Naw, practically everything is copyrighted if it meets some fairly simple rules. Copyrighted is the default and the rules exclude works from being copyrighted.

    Copyright can’t stop what you’re saying. People obviously are shaming Trump and other criminals. News articles typically use mugshot photos. Copyright can’t stop memes (and trying to do so usually just causes the Streisand effect).

    Sweetpeaches69 , in Trump may have violated copyright law by selling mugshot merchandise

    Mugshot merchandise being sold by him is insane. I hate this timeline.

    bernieecclestoned ,

    People buying it is even weirder

    CrabAndBroom ,

    The former president of America is selling merch of his own mugshot for a RICO felony racketeering charge, for stuff he allegedly did while he was the sitting president. That is a thing that is actually happening right now.

    By the time this is all resolved, we might even have and answer to the question: can a president lose an election, organize a coup to overturn that election, get legitimately re-elected in the next election, then pardon himself for sedition for the election he tried to overturn?

    Like it’s a long shot, but the fact that it’s even remotely possible to watch that play out for real is fucking wild.

    timespace ,

    Like it’s a long shot

    Is it though? I thought him winning in 2016 was impossible. I’m not sure of anything anymore.

    tegs_terry ,

    That could make it less likely a second time

    Beelzebubba ,

    You and everybody else. Hillary was the DNC’s second coming. I dont think I knew anyone aside from dyed in the wool democrats who actually liked her. Many of those wgo did vote for her did so begrudgingly and many wgo stayed home did so because the media had been pounding the “hillary is a shoe in” line since she announced her candidacy. Why vote for someone who leaves a vad taste in your mouth if you already know they are going to win.

    matchphoenix , in Trump may have violated copyright law by selling mugshot merchandise

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  • Maruki_Hurakami ,

    If/when it topples over, does that mean he wins or finally has consequences?

    lemmyseizethemeans , in Oklahoma State Dept. of Education announces partnership with PragerU
    HoustonHenry , in Fani Willis shoots down Georgia fake elector’s removal motion

    To quote a bunny, “What a maroon!”

    CrypticFawn , in US military leaders say Tuberville is aiding US adversaries with hold on military nominations | CNN Politics
    @CrypticFawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    What I don’t understand is why he simply hasn’t been removed; he’s not doing his job (on purpose) and is can basically be called a traitor. So… remove him???

    Tuberville, of Alabama, has delayed the confirmations of more than 300 top military nominees over his opposition to the Pentagon’s policy of reimbursing service members and their families who have to travel to receive abortion care. In the Senate, one senator can hold up nominations or legislation, and Tuberville’s stance has left three military services to operate without a Senate-confirmed leader for the first time in history.

    Like… how is not the actions of a traitor? Remove him from power, hold a new election for his position, and get things back on track.

    In July, Tuberville posted on X, “I didn’t start this. The Biden admin injected politics in the military and imposed an unlawful abortion policy on American taxpayers. I am trying to get politics out of the military.”

    Lying sack of shit. He’s putting politics in (his own politics).

    FuglyDuck ,
    @FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

    Because the GOP is complicit.

    They like what he’s doing.

    phillaholic ,

    It’s always projection with these people. If they complain about “politics” or “activist judges” they are really calling for their own politics or active judges to undo the will of the people.

    Hazdaz ,

    why he simply hasn’t been removed;

    Same reason that the Trump appointed head of the Post Office hasn’t been removed… Democrats are cowards who are never willing to go on the offensive and make a huge stink about things.

    Do you think for even a second that Dejoy or Tuberville would still be in the positions that they are in if the parties were reversed? Not a fucken chance.

    Republicans would have started an endless war if Democrats had someone in the Post Office fucking everything up or they had someone holding up that many military nominees. They would be on the news 24/7 vilifying these people and all hell would have broken loose. They would use this as a perfect example of how Democrats are supposedly anti-military. And the news media would have gone right along with it.

    What do Democrats do? crickets… in fact I try to follow the news fairly closely and this is the first time I have heard the name Tuberville.

    obinice , in Ex-Proud Boys leader sentenced to 22 years for role in US Capitol attack
    @obinice@lemmy.world avatar

    Traitors only get 20 years? Dang, soft punishment for treason, but at least it’s something eh.

    Draedron ,

    “Only” 20 years? There can be whatever number and people will still say it is too little

    Monkeyhog ,

    Historically, people who attempt to overthrow their government get death. Hell, they still execute Guy Fawkes symbolically every year. And all we do is put them up in prison for 20 years? We’ve gone soft.

    echodot ,

    they still execute Guy Fawkes symbolically every year. And all we do is put them up in prison for 20 years

    Yeah but in reality the UK doesn’t have the death penalty for any crime anymore, including treason.

    Meanwhile the US regularly executes people for a single murder.

    Monkeyhog ,

    Which is why it’s bullshit that someone who attempted to overthrow the government just gets 20 years.

    Draedron ,

    Or you use your energy to advocate for less draconian punishments instead of demanding more

    Monkeyhog ,

    I do, insurrection is the only crime I believe should merit the death penalty. Nothing else is even close to how dangerous that is. A murderer may kill a couple of dozen people at most, if someone overthrows the government, that could lead to death for millions and a shifting of history for decades if not centuries. That should be the only capital crime.

    Draedron ,

    Since we always did it wrong we have to continue to do so?

    Katana314 ,

    I dunno if they could start such a Guy Fawkes tradition after V for Vendetta came out.

    pqdinfo ,

    Yes, and civilized societies are trying to get away from that kind of barbarism.

    Also it’s not as if it’s 20+ years in a (Insert name of progressive European country) prison. It’s going to be a hell.

    Finally, no risk of martyrdom. Just saying.

    LufyCZ ,

    Don’t think you understand what 20 years in prison looks like.

    I don’t either, but it sure would ruin my life

    Smokeless7048 ,

    Guys losing 1/3 of his adult life, and won’t get out of prison before his 60s. I’m extremely anti-j6, but 22 years seems like a nice hefty sentance to me

    GiddyGap ,

    If Trump gets the WH again, he’ll probably pardon all of these fools.

    TheGiantKorean ,
    @TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world avatar

    I think the prosecutor recommended 40.

    reverendsteveii , in Ex-Proud Boys leader sentenced to 22 years for role in US Capitol attack

    LOL GET FUKT TRAITOR!

    spider , (edited ) in Air Canada apologizes for booting passengers who complained that their seats were smeared with vomit

    She said the pilot told the women, who were on their way to Vienna, that they could leave and book new flights at their own expense “or they would be escorted off the plane by security and placed on a no fly list!”

    Most fast-food workers have better soft skills than this.

    PopcornPlayaa_ , in First Lady tests positive for COVID

    Can you really compare the two? Sometimes you can fly without a plane, you just die a couple of seconds after free fall . Also, why are vaccines seatbelts, isn’t the whole point to immunize? Or is that just for every other vaccine except this one?

    PopcornPlayaa_ , in First Lady tests positive for COVID

    Yeah maybe gene therapy, not a vaccine in my mind. I never got Polio and I was vaxxed so what gives? Is this the only vaccine that works like dogshit?

    FReddit , in US military leaders say Tuberville is aiding US adversaries with hold on military nominations | CNN Politics

    This is a two-party system at its worst.

    I’m old enough that my grandfathers fought in WWI. My mother’s second husband was a B-17 captain. Third husband was a fighter pilot in the Pacific theater. My father retired from the regular army as a LTC. Col.

    These bastards would have fought each other to get to the head of the line to beat the shit out of Turderville.

    But as others have noted, we have this obstructionist process in place.

    As one of the other commentators said, maybe we should change the fucking rule. I just don’t know how.

    I’ve never voted Republikklan in my life, but there were some who had honor. Senator McCain, for example. But now we’re stuck with this shit with legs.

    MonsiuerPatEBrown ,

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert's_Rules_of_Order

    I really need to read that.

    FuglyDuck ,
    @FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

    McCain was an asshole, but at least he knew when to play ball.

    phillaholic ,

    McCain was one of the last respectable Republicans. I disagreed with many many of his ideas, but I think he was honorable as a person and thought he was doing what was right for the country.

    FReddit ,

    I’m not a fan. But I felt like he had a commitment, even if I didn’t agree with it. Now you have this pond scum

    kgbbot , in US military leaders say Tuberville is aiding US adversaries with hold on military nominations | CNN Politics

    Tuberville is an absolute fucking dumb shit who deserves the benefits that his poorest constituents receive and nothing more.

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