It means the people voting republican already know everything they need to know because of their top secret source on youtube with 13.4 million subscribers.
Hey, let’s buy critical services from a right-wing shitbag who has a history of tampering with those services to affect the outcome of military operations on behalf of Russia.
From the description of the incident, it definitely sounded like he feared for his life. A 6 foot something guy keeps advancing on him, asking why he’s thinking of the guy’s penis. He tells the guy to leave him alone multiple times, but the guy keeps advancing. He retreats multiple times, but the guy keeps at it. He even tries knocking the phone out of the guy’s hand, but the guy keeps at it.
It definitely sounds like the guy was afraid of where this was going and tried all of the non-lethal options (retreat, tell the person to stop) before resorting to pulling out his gun. The YouTube “pranker” has nobody to blame but himself. He should have stopped when asked instead of repeatedly pressing the defendant for a YouTube “prank” video.
(I use “prank” in quotes because I don’t consider this type of thing a real prank. It’s just a guy acting like an idiot and calling it “a prank.” A real prank should leave all involved laughing when it’s revealed, not leave one person fearing for their life.)
I’ve been robbed at a busy, open public library with a gaggle of elementary kids literally 15ft away. Being in public ain’t the deterrent you think it is.
Well like the article said, he fucked up by shooting immediately after drawing the weapon, instead of giving Cook (the YouTuber) a chance to see the gun and finally back off. I agree with their decision to keep him in jail because of that one simple fact. The guy should have warned him that he was going to shoot if Cook didn’t back down.
This is wrong and will firmly land you on the wrong side of the law in many places. Pulling a gun is a last resort to defend yourself when de-escalation doesn’t work. You pull the gun when you’ve already determined that you have to fire it. Otherwise you’re just escalating and making the situation more dangerous for yourself and any bystanders. This is also why I don’t carry a gun in the first place even though I might legally be allowed to.
I get what you’re saying, but even just making the threat without pulling a weapon is enough to get a charge in some places. In any case I don’t think we should be carrying guns around in our day to day as if it was normal anyway. It’s kind of like wearing a rubber suit all the time because you’re worried about lightning strikes.
Are you living somewhere abnormally dangerous? You are far more likely to use it when it isn’t needed. It’s the worse bet for most people and if you can’t understand that then your fear is blinding you. This is like someone with OCD saying it’s better to wash their hands constantly “just in case”. Sure maybe you don’t wash your hands for the 20th time one day and catch ebola, but more likely you just destroy your hands over time.
Currently no, where I live is not particularly dangerous. That doesn’t stop the fact that I’ve been held up at gunpoint here by a meth head that was quite a bit larger than I am. And I moved here from a large city, well known for it’s gang violence. People that are so afraid of guns have never been involved in any kind of dangerous situation, and put far to much faith and trust in the Police and Government. There is nothing wrong with being prepared for the worst. Most here that are saying the guy shouldn’t have been afraid because it was a prank are looking at it through hindsight.
Your anecdote is irrelevant. Carrying a gun is not a rational decision for most people because it increases the risk of harm to yourself and others regardless of how you feel about it. I’m not saying this guy should be in jail for defending himself either, but he ultimately was not in mortal danger and wouldn’t be facing charges if he didn’t have that gun.
There is nothing wrong with being prepared for the worst.
There is something wrong with it. There’s always that temptation to use the gun in a situation that doesn’t call for it. We’ve had two “self-defense” shootings in my town in the past few years and in both cases, someone legally carrying a gun used it in a situation where they could have simply walked away, and they probably would have if they didn’t have their guns. The shooters in both situations ended up with felony convictions.
I always find it interesting when folks like you try turning “we don’t all need guns on us all the time” into a fear of guns. When you seen to be afraid of leaving your house unarmed.
From the description of the incident, it definitely sounded like he feared for his life.
No it fucking doesn’t. The whole thing lasted less than 30 seconds and the driver never tried to retreat. He told the prankster no a few times, tried to swat the phone out of his hands, and then shot him. It’s not shocking that the jury had a difficult time coming up with a verdict.
I am not a lawyer. So everything I say could be wrong and every state is different but generally I think there’s a five point test for claims of self defense: Avoidance, Innocence, Imminence, Proportionality, and Reasonableness.
Avoidance is moot because I think this is Virginia and I think they have a no-retreat provision. Innocence is just that you didn’t willingly engage in a fight that got out of control. So that applies. Imminence applies because it happened in the moment. I just don’t see how Proportionality applies here. I just don’t see how holding a cell phone is proportional to a shooting. Emotionally I get it that the YouTuber is a major jerkwad and may have deserved a comeuppance. But I don’t think the jury followed the law.
I’m not a lawyer. Everything I said there could be wrong
If the defendant has been carrying a less lethal self defense measure, such as a taser, mace, or a baton, and had used that to defend himself, would you see that as more proportional?
I kinda waver on reasonableness for cases like this but I generally think using a weapon against an unarmed aggressor is reasonable when there is a significant size disparity or a disability or something like that. In this case the "prankster" was significantly larger and had a group of friends with him so I don't think it's out of the question that the use of a gun for defense is reasonable in this situation.
I’m happy he didn’t die over this, but I’m also kind of happy he got a little fucked up over it.
I tend to think about these situations with small people as the initial victim. How far should a smaller person or woman let something go before they can defend themselves? If the person is way, way bigger, do you just have to let yourself get beat?
I honestly don’t know what the right answer is here. I don’t like that it seems like it’s easier to shoot someone because of a threatening feeling. This makes me think of Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman. People will say these are completely unrelated cases but both involved a shooting and a claim of self defense. Again I don’t know what the answer is.
I guess not according to Lemmy, lol. I don’t care if the youtuber was. the size of Shaq, you can’t just shoot someone for showing a phone in your face not even if he is following you.
He didn’t continue to back away. He didn’t run. Punching someone bigger is unwise, but not as unwise as trying to kill someone who arguably didn’t even commit a crime.
That would corroborate his lawyers saying that a conviction after a finding of a lack of malice is inconsistent.
Except the next paragraph says:
If any such act be done unlawfully, but not maliciously, the person so offending is guilty of a Class 6 felony;
But, if the shooting was in self-defense, was it unlawful? Maybe the guy was legally allowed to defend himself, but not legally allowed to shoot a gun inside a crowded food court. Like, the self-defense covers him for injuring another person, but it doesn’t cover the danger he posed to other people when he did it?
I noted this as well. No info about the second conviction.
Another poster said there was an appeal, I can’t find anything about it, by whom, or on what.
Also see no info about post verdict motions.
It sounded to me as though there may be inconsistent verdicts. I don’t know this aspect of criminal procedure to say what happens in this case. I think it’s a mistrial, and dude may be retried? Could be a directed verdict on the convicted charge.
B) all the news sites that popped up at the top of Google search are literally identical. Cool.
I was just skimming through them, so it took me about five articles to realize that they weren’t just sharing quotes but were actually exact copies. I felt like I was crazy for a minute. I have never seen this kind of thing with news articles, but makes me wonder how common it is.
Also, I was using DDG not Google so it is not just their problem.
Dude has a concealed carry license, hopefully it helps in this situation. It sucks that he’s been incarcerated since April over this. Fuck an exploitative YouTuber.
He is being rewarded by youtube and his subs for that behavior. Which is especially messed up given youtube demonitizes videos for saying shit and fuck but not the harassment and stalking this guy does.
Its a serious problem in our entire criminal justice system. Trump is the post child for the inequality. Charged with 91 felonies and walking around doing as he pleases. Meanwhile this poor guy has been locked up for months without a trial, and may get off with no jail time but he’s in jail anyway.
Not sure how. Concealed carry is you carry a concealed weapon. This dude pulled his out, banged it out in the food court on a YouTuber, that’s open carry. 😆
I don’t see which weapons charge he was convicted on, or who is appealing. Sounds like there may be inconsistent verdicts. I teresting to see how post verdict motions go.
This “prankster” is 6’5". I’m 6’3 and I apparently intimidate people by just existing. If I was going around assaulting people I would fully expect someone to act defensively.
That’s fine. How would you expect anyone in a conversation like this to apply taxes? Which city, county and state are you going to use for those calculations?
And neither is the youtuber which is exactly the point I was making. That theyre being a cunt to other people over what amounts to be a minimum wage job.
Being a youtuber does not magically make you not subject to the exact same taxes that everyone else is. They are not taking home all of what they made any more than a mcdonalds worker does. In fact, being self employed means you are paying the other half of the medicare/social security tax not just half of it directly with most jobs.
Please look at usernames, I’m not the person you’re arguing with. I just corrected the person who said people who make $12.50/hr are making $2k a week because that’s absurd. That’s all.
I was the person you responded to. Check the username and:
I did not say 2,000 a week. I said 2,000 a month.
A youtuber making 2k a month is not taking home more money than someone making 2k a month at mcdonalds. They pay the same taxes. Actually the employer pays half of the social security/medicare tax while the self employed pay the entirety of it themselves.
No I really wasnt. You dont understand how taxes work and are apparently under the impression that a youtuber that makes 2k before taxes is making more after taxes than a mcdonalds worker making 2k before taxes. Which isnt correct. And I have explained why that isn’t correct.
And as for the month/week thing, you made it an issue. You dont get to just go “who cares” when youve been shown to be wrong trying to correct me. You were wrong about who you responded to and you were wrong about how much the youtuber actually takes home compared to the mcdonalds worker. Did you let it go or admit you made mistakes? Fuck no! You decided I was the one that made mistakes and got mad. Thats a very childish thing to do and if you are ever going to grow as a person, you need to at least learn when to stop digging. I dont expect you to say “oops I was wrong” I just expect that you learn from what you did and not double down.
PLEASE go back to the original comment I made and which comment I replied to. It said “what McDonald’s worker is making $25/hr” which the commentor corrected after someone told them that someone making $12.50 is taking home $2k/month. All they did was 12.5 x 40 x 4.
And alll I said was, no, someone making 12.50 an hour isn’t taking home anything close to $2k a month. That’s it. No bigger commentary, just pointing out the math was wrong.
No comments about what a YouTuber makes.
People seem to be putting all sorts of shit in my mouth.
Also while I didn’t even venture into this part of this discussion… pretending that the way taxes work for a YouTuber is anything like someone working a minimum wage job, then you’re the one who needs to learn about taxes.
Or are McDonald’s workers out there giving up the standard deduction so they can write off all their “equipment”?
I’d rather get shot than work at McDonald’s. Have you worked a low wage customer facing job? Literally anything is better. I’d rather have children kick me in the balls all day.
True, my point was more about using McDonald’s as a measuring stick is a bad call. Like I’d seriously have to think about it if I have to do one or the other for an extended period.
Well if you get shot at McDonald’s, you’ll get workers’ comp. for a while. They’ll cut you off eventually, pay you pennies on the dollar of what wages you lost. They will cover your medical bills though.
It’s interesting, the YouTuber clearly doesn’t have medical insurance through his job because… well he makes YouTube videos for a living. He was shot, so that was presumably a huge medical expense. I wonder who’s paying his bills? His parents?
So long as you pay something on a bill, you generally don’t have too much of an issue. I can’t tell you the number of people I know that are making $5 a month payments on $$$ medical bills. One of my coworkers and his wife had separate major health emergencies that put them in the hospital within 3 days of each other. She was in for months, he was in for weeks. Their combined bills after insurance is just over $500,000. $5 a month.
I have a feeling I’m going to be having surgery sometime in the near future, and I’ll be joining that $5 crowd, because I’m still getting bills from a host of tests run at the beginning of the year that I’m paying on. I’m pretty much tapped out at this point.
He’s working up his immunity by getting shot with smaller calibers first, by the time he’s making 10k/month, he’ll have himself immune to high-caliber rifle rounds from people that are trying to kill him from a distance.
He broke the rule where you should only commit one crime at the time. Dont rob a bank with a broken tail light, don’t speed with a body in the trunk and dont attempt to destroy democracy while running a fraudulent company.
I know a few people who work for Epic games, and generally they are treated incredibly well. Good pay, good benefits, still able to work from home… Their experience has been pretty much all positive.
However, Epic has been hemorrhaging money for a few years now. As successful as the Unreal Engine and Fortnite are, they’ve aquired half a dozen companies over the last few years, and offer an insane amount of free content between the Epic Games Store and the Unreal marketplace. They they acquire exclusives for their platform, they host tournaments with prize pools in the millions, and they have been trying to build a strong reputation as a service for gamers and developers that treats them well. It never seemed to balance out though, probably because people just were never really into buying games from them.
I truly don’t get the people that outright hate them though, even for their exclusivity grabs. I also might be mildly biased since I know how much worse devs are treated at other companies.
Really? I’ve heard Epic Games employees described as just ‘bodies.’
I believe the quote was something like, “I don’t care, just get us more bodies” to work on fortnite. James Stephanie Sterling did a video on it.
I’m not sure who you’ve been talking to, but your entire post reads like corporate bullshit. Epic sucks because their service is worse than Steam and tries to convince people like you it’s not.
Hemorrhaging money? What the fuck? Have you seen how much people are making at Epic? Dev says the pay is good, what do you think his higher ups are getting paid?
Like, only a legitimate fool would think Epic ‘hemorrhaging money’ is any cause for concern. No, any inconsistencies in where money is going stems solely from who they’re paying. I.e. people doing as little work as possible while making as much money as possible.
Sorry this needs to be explained to you, but I truly think you have been taken for a ride. If not, then you’re trying to take others for one.
Gonna block you now though, brother. After reading your post, I don’t believe you have anything to offer me and are just going to double-down on Epic being a company worth supporting. See ya.
There’s nothing quite like making an emotional, incendiary response to a good faith comment and then blocking the person while acting as if you are morally superior.
Perhaps in the future, should you ever unblock me and see this comment, you’ll consider an alternative perspective as an opportunity to change your mind and not as some sort of conflict.
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