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krey , in Second Republican primary debate had the lowest TV viewership since 2015

So as low as when Trump first ran. Not sure what that means, but I don’t like it 🤔

psycho_driver ,

It means the people voting republican already know everything they need to know because of their top secret source on youtube with 13.4 million subscribers.

krolden ,
@krolden@lemmy.ml avatar

Linus tech tips?

Dude123 ,

Shhh

Burn_The_Right , in SpaceX wins first Pentagon contract for Starshield, its satellite network for military use

Hey, let’s buy critical services from a right-wing shitbag who has a history of tampering with those services to affect the outcome of military operations on behalf of Russia.

What could go wrong?

grayman ,

They’re buying control.

SideshowBoz , in 'Emotional support' alligator denied entry into baseball stadium

That’s a cute alligator ngl 😎

vamp07 , in Jury acquits delivery driver of main charge in shooting of YouTube prankster

Pulling out a gun should have a VERY HIGH bar. This kid is clearly an idiot but was the bar high enough to kill him?

neptune ,

This sounds like jury nullification more than an actual legal judgment.

TechyDad ,
@TechyDad@lemmy.world avatar

From the description of the incident, it definitely sounded like he feared for his life. A 6 foot something guy keeps advancing on him, asking why he’s thinking of the guy’s penis. He tells the guy to leave him alone multiple times, but the guy keeps advancing. He retreats multiple times, but the guy keeps at it. He even tries knocking the phone out of the guy’s hand, but the guy keeps at it.

It definitely sounds like the guy was afraid of where this was going and tried all of the non-lethal options (retreat, tell the person to stop) before resorting to pulling out his gun. The YouTube “pranker” has nobody to blame but himself. He should have stopped when asked instead of repeatedly pressing the defendant for a YouTube “prank” video.

(I use “prank” in quotes because I don’t consider this type of thing a real prank. It’s just a guy acting like an idiot and calling it “a prank.” A real prank should leave all involved laughing when it’s revealed, not leave one person fearing for their life.)

Grimy ,

He was in a public food court at a mall during lunch

TheLowestStone ,
@TheLowestStone@lemmy.world avatar

And?

elbarto777 ,

Oh true. Violent acts had never happened in a food court before! /s

jimbo ,

Okay, but the only violent act that happened in this case was the shooting of the prankster idiot.

SuddenlyBlowGreen ,

So was Dominic Billa.

Landsharkgun ,

I’ve been robbed at a busy, open public library with a gaggle of elementary kids literally 15ft away. Being in public ain’t the deterrent you think it is.

Psythik ,

Well like the article said, he fucked up by shooting immediately after drawing the weapon, instead of giving Cook (the YouTuber) a chance to see the gun and finally back off. I agree with their decision to keep him in jail because of that one simple fact. The guy should have warned him that he was going to shoot if Cook didn’t back down.

Ducktape ,

This is wrong and will firmly land you on the wrong side of the law in many places. Pulling a gun is a last resort to defend yourself when de-escalation doesn’t work. You pull the gun when you’ve already determined that you have to fire it. Otherwise you’re just escalating and making the situation more dangerous for yourself and any bystanders. This is also why I don’t carry a gun in the first place even though I might legally be allowed to.

Psythik ,

Hey I never said that he should draw the gun before the warning. Warn first, then draw if they still keep advancing.

FlowVoid ,

Brandishing a firearm can be illegal even if you don’t draw it.

Ducktape ,

I get what you’re saying, but even just making the threat without pulling a weapon is enough to get a charge in some places. In any case I don’t think we should be carrying guns around in our day to day as if it was normal anyway. It’s kind of like wearing a rubber suit all the time because you’re worried about lightning strikes.

FontMasterFlex ,

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. Can’t fathom you people that don’t get this.

Ducktape ,

Are you living somewhere abnormally dangerous? You are far more likely to use it when it isn’t needed. It’s the worse bet for most people and if you can’t understand that then your fear is blinding you. This is like someone with OCD saying it’s better to wash their hands constantly “just in case”. Sure maybe you don’t wash your hands for the 20th time one day and catch ebola, but more likely you just destroy your hands over time.

FontMasterFlex ,

Currently no, where I live is not particularly dangerous. That doesn’t stop the fact that I’ve been held up at gunpoint here by a meth head that was quite a bit larger than I am. And I moved here from a large city, well known for it’s gang violence. People that are so afraid of guns have never been involved in any kind of dangerous situation, and put far to much faith and trust in the Police and Government. There is nothing wrong with being prepared for the worst. Most here that are saying the guy shouldn’t have been afraid because it was a prank are looking at it through hindsight.

Ducktape ,

Your anecdote is irrelevant. Carrying a gun is not a rational decision for most people because it increases the risk of harm to yourself and others regardless of how you feel about it. I’m not saying this guy should be in jail for defending himself either, but he ultimately was not in mortal danger and wouldn’t be facing charges if he didn’t have that gun.

jimbo ,

There is nothing wrong with being prepared for the worst.

There is something wrong with it. There’s always that temptation to use the gun in a situation that doesn’t call for it. We’ve had two “self-defense” shootings in my town in the past few years and in both cases, someone legally carrying a gun used it in a situation where they could have simply walked away, and they probably would have if they didn’t have their guns. The shooters in both situations ended up with felony convictions.

AbidanYre ,

I always find it interesting when folks like you try turning “we don’t all need guns on us all the time” into a fear of guns. When you seen to be afraid of leaving your house unarmed.

jimbo ,

From the description of the incident, it definitely sounded like he feared for his life.

No it fucking doesn’t. The whole thing lasted less than 30 seconds and the driver never tried to retreat. He told the prankster no a few times, tried to swat the phone out of his hands, and then shot him. It’s not shocking that the jury had a difficult time coming up with a verdict.

TechyDad ,
@TechyDad@lemmy.world avatar

The driver did try to retreat:

In the video, Colie says “stop” three different times and tries to back away from Cook, who continues to advance.

theKalash ,

Running a youtube prank channel should justify a drone strike.

butterflyattack ,

I’d watch the prankster-drone strike channel though.

JoeBigelow ,
@JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca avatar

Can the narrator be the cart narcs guy?

elbarto777 ,

No one was killed, so…

Salamendacious OP ,
@Salamendacious@lemmy.world avatar

I am not a lawyer. So everything I say could be wrong and every state is different but generally I think there’s a five point test for claims of self defense: Avoidance, Innocence, Imminence, Proportionality, and Reasonableness.

Avoidance is moot because I think this is Virginia and I think they have a no-retreat provision. Innocence is just that you didn’t willingly engage in a fight that got out of control. So that applies. Imminence applies because it happened in the moment. I just don’t see how Proportionality applies here. I just don’t see how holding a cell phone is proportional to a shooting. Emotionally I get it that the YouTuber is a major jerkwad and may have deserved a comeuppance. But I don’t think the jury followed the law.

I’m not a lawyer. Everything I said there could be wrong

JoeBigelow ,
@JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca avatar

If the defendant has been carrying a less lethal self defense measure, such as a taser, mace, or a baton, and had used that to defend himself, would you see that as more proportional?

Salamendacious OP ,
@Salamendacious@lemmy.world avatar

I honestly don’t know. Emotionally I agree with the verdict but intellectually I question it.

Can_you_change_your_username ,

I kinda waver on reasonableness for cases like this but I generally think using a weapon against an unarmed aggressor is reasonable when there is a significant size disparity or a disability or something like that. In this case the "prankster" was significantly larger and had a group of friends with him so I don't think it's out of the question that the use of a gun for defense is reasonable in this situation.

PsychedSy ,

I’m happy he didn’t die over this, but I’m also kind of happy he got a little fucked up over it.

I tend to think about these situations with small people as the initial victim. How far should a smaller person or woman let something go before they can defend themselves? If the person is way, way bigger, do you just have to let yourself get beat?

Salamendacious OP ,
@Salamendacious@lemmy.world avatar

I honestly don’t know what the right answer is here. I don’t like that it seems like it’s easier to shoot someone because of a threatening feeling. This makes me think of Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman. People will say these are completely unrelated cases but both involved a shooting and a claim of self defense. Again I don’t know what the answer is.

PsychedSy ,

In that one I think ol’ zimmy kinda deserved it and I wasn’t happy with the charges/trial results.

I don’t think it’s the same at all, though. Zimmerman was the OG aggressor. He fucked around, found out and got butthurt and killed a kid.

AbidanYre ,

He’s still making videos, so apparently he didn’t actually learn anything from the experience

CountryBoy001 ,

Looks like someone has paid attention to Andrew Branca @ The Law of Self Defense.

Salamendacious OP ,
@Salamendacious@lemmy.world avatar

No I’ve never heard of him. I just quickly researched self defense law.

kameecoding ,

I guess not according to Lemmy, lol. I don’t care if the youtuber was. the size of Shaq, you can’t just shoot someone for showing a phone in your face not even if he is following you.

charonn0 ,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

What would you have done in that situation?

merc , (edited )

Walked away, if necessary run away? Maybe throw a punch?

charonn0 ,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

He did try to back away. And punching someone significantly larger than oneself is generally unwise.

merc ,

He didn’t continue to back away. He didn’t run. Punching someone bigger is unwise, but not as unwise as trying to kill someone who arguably didn’t even commit a crime.

FlyingSquid , in In Wake of Russell Brand Allegations, U.K. to Introduce Independent Body to Address Bullying and Harassment in Creative Industries
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That should be done in any country with a sizable creative industry.

foggy , in Hero schoolgirl, 15, stabbed to death in Croydon 'when she stepped in to protect her friend'

Jeez I wonder why her friend rejected the flowers from her ex, seems like he was a cool and stable fella.

MossyFeathers , in Jury acquits delivery driver of main charge in shooting of YouTube prankster

A) it says he was acquitted of one charge, but convicted of another. I’m trying to figure out what the second charge was, except

B) all the news sites that popped up at the top of Google search are literally identical. Cool.

TurnItOff_OnAgain ,

charges of aggravated malicious wounding and malicious discharge of a firearm

Those are the two other charges. I’m not sure which one he was convicted of though.

quindraco ,

The wounding is the main charge.

quindraco ,
JoeBigelow ,
@JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca avatar

Guess I gotta cool it with throwing missiles in public, keep it to the backyard for a bit.

Wait, can I benignly throw missiles in public? Do I have to call something out, like yell hot potato then chuck it?

Very confusing rules

Cethin ,

Malice is required.

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

This tracks.

Weird how every article about this from today is copy and pasted and omits such key details.

dustyData ,

Welcome to modern journalism. It’s copy and paste and AI translators all the way.

merc ,

That would corroborate his lawyers saying that a conviction after a finding of a lack of malice is inconsistent.

Except the next paragraph says:

If any such act be done unlawfully, but not maliciously, the person so offending is guilty of a Class 6 felony;

But, if the shooting was in self-defense, was it unlawful? Maybe the guy was legally allowed to defend himself, but not legally allowed to shoot a gun inside a crowded food court. Like, the self-defense covers him for injuring another person, but it doesn’t cover the danger he posed to other people when he did it?

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

I noted this as well. No info about the second conviction.

Another poster said there was an appeal, I can’t find anything about it, by whom, or on what.

Also see no info about post verdict motions.

It sounded to me as though there may be inconsistent verdicts. I don’t know this aspect of criminal procedure to say what happens in this case. I think it’s a mistrial, and dude may be retried? Could be a directed verdict on the convicted charge.

Nahvi ,

B) all the news sites that popped up at the top of Google search are literally identical. Cool.

I was just skimming through them, so it took me about five articles to realize that they weren’t just sharing quotes but were actually exact copies. I felt like I was crazy for a minute. I have never seen this kind of thing with news articles, but makes me wonder how common it is.

Also, I was using DDG not Google so it is not just their problem.

FlyingSquid , in Second Republican primary debate had the lowest TV viewership since 2015
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

But didn’t they watch in the hopes that Vivek would spit out some rhymes? Vivek rhymes with cake, you know.

ChapolinColoradoNZ , in In Wake of Russell Brand Allegations, U.K. to Introduce Independent Body to Address Bullying and Harassment in Creative Industries

Has he been sentenced already?!

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Why, does that make a difference to whether or not this independent body should be set up? It sounds to me like it’s a good idea regardless.

ChapolinColoradoNZ ,

They made the connection, not me.

Maajmaaj , in Jury acquits delivery driver of main charge in shooting of YouTube prankster
@Maajmaaj@lemmy.ca avatar

Fuck yes!

xkforce ,

Reading the article it seems they found that he acted in self defense but still got him on a weapons charge which is being appealed.

Maajmaaj ,
@Maajmaaj@lemmy.ca avatar

Dude has a concealed carry license, hopefully it helps in this situation. It sucks that he’s been incarcerated since April over this. Fuck an exploitative YouTuber.

xkforce ,

He is being rewarded by youtube and his subs for that behavior. Which is especially messed up given youtube demonitizes videos for saying shit and fuck but not the harassment and stalking this guy does.

OrangeJoe ,

I reported his channel for harassment way back when this all started and I know a bunch of other people did too. So glad YouTube cares…

Angry_Maple ,
@Angry_Maple@sh.itjust.works avatar

Youtube won’t care unless/until it becomes too expensive to ignore

Astroturfed ,

Its a serious problem in our entire criminal justice system. Trump is the post child for the inequality. Charged with 91 felonies and walking around doing as he pleases. Meanwhile this poor guy has been locked up for months without a trial, and may get off with no jail time but he’s in jail anyway.

JustZ , (edited )
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Not sure how. Concealed carry is you carry a concealed weapon. This dude pulled his out, banged it out in the food court on a YouTuber, that’s open carry. 😆

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t see which weapons charge he was convicted on, or who is appealing. Sounds like there may be inconsistent verdicts. I teresting to see how post verdict motions go.

can ,

It doesn’t sound like he was in physical danger but if someone was doing that to me I’d certainly feel like shooting them.

thepianistfroggollum ,

This “prankster” is 6’5". I’m 6’3 and I apparently intimidate people by just existing. If I was going around assaulting people I would fully expect someone to act defensively.

can ,

Wow, what a moron.

thepianistfroggollum ,

Me, or the prankster?

can ,

Prankster, sorry

xkforce , in Jury acquits delivery driver of main charge in shooting of YouTube prankster

Cook said he continues to make the videos, from which he earns $2,000 to $3,000 a month.

Professional asshole gets shot and learns nothing. All over 2 to 3k a month. Dude could literally work at mcdonalds and make that kind of money.

WarmSoda , (edited )

What McDonald’s are you working at for $25+ an hour?.

Don’t listen to me

xkforce ,

2,000 a month is 12.50 an hour not 25. And here 12.50 is below minimum wage.

WarmSoda ,

You’re right, my bad. I’d like to blame the bad math on it being early morning… But it’s just me being dumb.

prole ,

Don’t apologize, their math is wrong too. That might be their gross pay, but their take home is likely ~2/3 of that.

WarmSoda ,

That’s fine. How would you expect anyone in a conversation like this to apply taxes? Which city, county and state are you going to use for those calculations?

prole ,

Are you purposely missing the point, or…? Seems like you’re just trying to argue for the sake of arguing.

I’m good.

WarmSoda , (edited )

I don’t know, you completely lost me

prole ,

Well that’s not take home. They’d prob be taking home around 2/3 of that. So more like 1,300 at $12.50/hour if my quick math is right.

xkforce ,

You realize they pay taxes either way right?

prole ,

Huh? I’m just saying that someone making $12.50/hour, working 40 hours a week, isn’t taking home anything close to $2,000.

xkforce ,

And neither is the youtuber which is exactly the point I was making. That theyre being a cunt to other people over what amounts to be a minimum wage job.

Being a youtuber does not magically make you not subject to the exact same taxes that everyone else is. They are not taking home all of what they made any more than a mcdonalds worker does. In fact, being self employed means you are paying the other half of the medicare/social security tax not just half of it directly with most jobs.

prole ,

Please look at usernames, I’m not the person you’re arguing with. I just corrected the person who said people who make $12.50/hr are making $2k a week because that’s absurd. That’s all.

xkforce , (edited )
  1. I was the person you responded to. Check the username and:
  2. I did not say 2,000 a week. I said 2,000 a month.

A youtuber making 2k a month is not taking home more money than someone making 2k a month at mcdonalds. They pay the same taxes. Actually the employer pays half of the social security/medicare tax while the self employed pay the entirety of it themselves.

prole ,

I meant month. Who fucking cares, you were wrong. I pointed it out. Be an adult. Accept it and move on.

WarmSoda ,

Dude, what in the world are you talking about? Lol

xkforce , (edited )

No I really wasnt. You dont understand how taxes work and are apparently under the impression that a youtuber that makes 2k before taxes is making more after taxes than a mcdonalds worker making 2k before taxes. Which isnt correct. And I have explained why that isn’t correct.

And as for the month/week thing, you made it an issue. You dont get to just go “who cares” when youve been shown to be wrong trying to correct me. You were wrong about who you responded to and you were wrong about how much the youtuber actually takes home compared to the mcdonalds worker. Did you let it go or admit you made mistakes? Fuck no! You decided I was the one that made mistakes and got mad. Thats a very childish thing to do and if you are ever going to grow as a person, you need to at least learn when to stop digging. I dont expect you to say “oops I was wrong” I just expect that you learn from what you did and not double down.

prole , (edited )

PLEASE go back to the original comment I made and which comment I replied to. It said “what McDonald’s worker is making $25/hr” which the commentor corrected after someone told them that someone making $12.50 is taking home $2k/month. All they did was 12.5 x 40 x 4.

And alll I said was, no, someone making 12.50 an hour isn’t taking home anything close to $2k a month. That’s it. No bigger commentary, just pointing out the math was wrong.

No comments about what a YouTuber makes.

People seem to be putting all sorts of shit in my mouth.

Also while I didn’t even venture into this part of this discussion… pretending that the way taxes work for a YouTuber is anything like someone working a minimum wage job, then you’re the one who needs to learn about taxes.

Or are McDonald’s workers out there giving up the standard deduction so they can write off all their “equipment”?

WarmSoda ,

He is the person you replied to. Lmao

No one cares about taxes when making simple examples. Why are you making such a big deal out of it?

givesomefucks ,

Do what you love, and you’ll never work a day in your life…

This kid loves being an obnoxious asshole, it’s his calling.

Chickenstalker ,

Sue the youtuber until he bankrupts.

Astroturfed ,

I’d rather get shot than work at McDonald’s. Have you worked a low wage customer facing job? Literally anything is better. I’d rather have children kick me in the balls all day.

RIPandTERROR ,
@RIPandTERROR@sh.itjust.works avatar

If I could guarantee I’d live, I think I legit agree.

CmdrShepard ,

Guaranteed to live but you have to shit in a bag for the rest of your life.

RIPandTERROR ,
@RIPandTERROR@sh.itjust.works avatar

Pull the trigger

OrangeJoe ,

But you would also have to be a total asshole and go around harassing strangers who are just trying to get on with their lives.

Astroturfed ,

True, my point was more about using McDonald’s as a measuring stick is a bad call. Like I’d seriously have to think about it if I have to do one or the other for an extended period.

the_post_of_tom_joad ,

So a mcdonalds customer too, got it ;)

ILikeBoobies ,

Harassing people seems like less work

bassomitron ,

I’d rather get shot if it was a mild wound and I didn’t have to pay the medical bills afterwards*.

America, the land of opportunity!™

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Well if you get shot at McDonald’s, you’ll get workers’ comp. for a while. They’ll cut you off eventually, pay you pennies on the dollar of what wages you lost. They will cover your medical bills though.

merc ,

It’s interesting, the YouTuber clearly doesn’t have medical insurance through his job because… well he makes YouTube videos for a living. He was shot, so that was presumably a huge medical expense. I wonder who’s paying his bills? His parents?

Kite ,

So long as you pay something on a bill, you generally don’t have too much of an issue. I can’t tell you the number of people I know that are making $5 a month payments on $$$ medical bills. One of my coworkers and his wife had separate major health emergencies that put them in the hospital within 3 days of each other. She was in for months, he was in for weeks. Their combined bills after insurance is just over $500,000. $5 a month.

I have a feeling I’m going to be having surgery sometime in the near future, and I’ll be joining that $5 crowd, because I’m still getting bills from a host of tests run at the beginning of the year that I’m paying on. I’m pretty much tapped out at this point.

Lev_Astov ,
@Lev_Astov@lemmy.world avatar

Having worked in fast food and factories, I’d much rather the fast food work than any kind of repetitive factory work.

donescobar ,

Should make a YouTube channel and call it Ow My Balls

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

He’s working up his immunity by getting shot with smaller calibers first, by the time he’s making 10k/month, he’ll have himself immune to high-caliber rifle rounds from people that are trying to kill him from a distance.

wookiepedia ,

.338 Lapua?

Ktheone , in US jail practices are racist and an 'affront to human dignity,' UN experts say

YOU DONT SAY

Fisk400 , in Court rejects Donald Trump's bid to delay trial in wake of fraud ruling that threatens his business

He broke the rule where you should only commit one crime at the time. Dont rob a bank with a broken tail light, don’t speed with a body in the trunk and dont attempt to destroy democracy while running a fraudulent company.

bobman , in ‘Unprecedented’ theft contributed to $112 billion in retail losses last year

Stealing from corporations is always reclamation.

Every profit they make is them getting extra for doing nothing extra.

Fuck them.

Also, all of these companies have theft insurance.

bobman , in Epic Games is laying off about 830 employees, divesting Bandcamp

I don’t really have any sympathy for people working for epic.

They knew what they were getting into.

GhostMutt ,

I know a few people who work for Epic games, and generally they are treated incredibly well. Good pay, good benefits, still able to work from home… Their experience has been pretty much all positive.

However, Epic has been hemorrhaging money for a few years now. As successful as the Unreal Engine and Fortnite are, they’ve aquired half a dozen companies over the last few years, and offer an insane amount of free content between the Epic Games Store and the Unreal marketplace. They they acquire exclusives for their platform, they host tournaments with prize pools in the millions, and they have been trying to build a strong reputation as a service for gamers and developers that treats them well. It never seemed to balance out though, probably because people just were never really into buying games from them.

I truly don’t get the people that outright hate them though, even for their exclusivity grabs. I also might be mildly biased since I know how much worse devs are treated at other companies.

bobman ,

Really? I’ve heard Epic Games employees described as just ‘bodies.’

I believe the quote was something like, “I don’t care, just get us more bodies” to work on fortnite. James Stephanie Sterling did a video on it.

I’m not sure who you’ve been talking to, but your entire post reads like corporate bullshit. Epic sucks because their service is worse than Steam and tries to convince people like you it’s not.

Hemorrhaging money? What the fuck? Have you seen how much people are making at Epic? Dev says the pay is good, what do you think his higher ups are getting paid?

Like, only a legitimate fool would think Epic ‘hemorrhaging money’ is any cause for concern. No, any inconsistencies in where money is going stems solely from who they’re paying. I.e. people doing as little work as possible while making as much money as possible.

Sorry this needs to be explained to you, but I truly think you have been taken for a ride. If not, then you’re trying to take others for one.

Gonna block you now though, brother. After reading your post, I don’t believe you have anything to offer me and are just going to double-down on Epic being a company worth supporting. See ya.

GhostMutt ,

There’s nothing quite like making an emotional, incendiary response to a good faith comment and then blocking the person while acting as if you are morally superior.

Perhaps in the future, should you ever unblock me and see this comment, you’ll consider an alternative perspective as an opportunity to change your mind and not as some sort of conflict.

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