I’ll let my lazy tub of lard know that she’s a “lethal danger” next time she waddles over to a new visitor shes never met and lays down with her head in their lap
Nature vs nurture my friend - we have no idea how much of that breeding actually affects their psychology. This has been debated for god only knows how long.
Some slaves were also bred for violence. So, by your own logic, we should ban all of their ancestors as well right?
Humans are not fucking dogs you degenerate cunt. Why do pointers point without being taught? Why do herding dogs herd? Millennia of selective breeding with an animal that is known for having highly adaptable genetics. Fuck right off.
Humans also do shit without being taught, wtf are you talking about? You realize humans are also animals…right?
Again, nature vs nurture is a topic that has been debated for hundreds of years. So I’m sorry, but this isn’t going to be decided in a Lemmy thread by [email protected]
Lol were they? Because I severely doubt they realized that humans aren’t anywhere near as primitive as a dog and yoy can’t just breed violence into a human like that. It takes generations of foxes to be bred to be docile, it would take 100 years or so to get any wanted result in a human.
and yoy can’t just breed violence into a human like that
Lol is that a fact? So humans just so happen to be the only species that selective breeding doesn’t affect? I think I’m going to need a source for that.
Either way, you responding to four of my comments within less than 5 minutes is a little weird.
Oh you sweet summer child you sweet and innocent summer child you have absolutely no idea do you. I guarantee you your mother was just as you were just as I was. We murdered every single other hominid. We butchered the Dezavonians and the Neanderthals. Then we committed to several hundred thousand years of warfare against the last remaining hominid, other homosapiens. We are the violence monkeys. As far as I’m aware we have only seen humans and certain other great apes commit to sustained generational warfare. Just because we stand up walk around and put on clothes and talk to each other doesn’t mean we’re not vilant unpredictable animals. It doesn’t mean we’ve lost a capacity for violence far exceeding any dogs ability.
All humans are one species. We have no breeds. Now if the government genetically modified some humans to indiscriminately murder for no reason then you could blame that “breed” of humans, yes.
Reality is pitties are a protection breed like GSDs, Rotties, dobermans.
The main difference is those breeds are expensive. Pits have become the poster child for uncontrolled breeding among people who often specifically raise them to be aggressive. They are probably by FAR the most populous breed in cities in the US. It’s easy to have the most dog attacks when you’re the most popular bread.
I honestly don’t think most pits are any more dangerous than any large bread. And banning pits isn’t going to help the issue. Which is the people raising them to be aggressive and breeding them uncontrollably. They’ll just switch to another breed.
This story is about the UK not the US. Pitbulls have been banned in the UK since 1991. There are not many pitbulls in the UK. Although the American XL Bully is closely related to the pitbull, it is not currently banned, but that may soon change.
Open the website for any city shelter. Get back to me.
Knowing full well I’m going to get trounced for not having “facts” the reality is there are no statistics. Even the shelters themselves refuse to keep track because of the stigma involved for pits. They use terms like “mixed breed” and “unknown”. I can say 90% of the dogs in my local city shelters are all at least a fair amount of one of the Pit breeds. As a long time involved member of the dog rescue community.
“It’s not a pitbull until it bites someone” could be a unwritten rule.
Shhhh, people would prefer to be emotional about this topic and base their views on anecdotes and media fearmongering. Please take your reason and logic elsewhere.
They don’t even want to conserve anything good. Their whole “family values” trope is just an engine for violent abusive men to have a green light to be violent and abusive to their families without repercussion.
Every single thing they want to “conserve” are all the things holding humanity back.
Yep. Just like how the U.S. military is spending a huge amount of money investing on doing what they can to protect themselves from climate change. It’s not because they’re woke liberals, it’s because they see the writing on the wall.
15-20% of the economic growth of the last 60 years was driven by being sightly less shitty to women and black people
But what’s even the point in having money if I can still get cancelled for calling my wife the n-word in a restaurant full of obviously-criminal Mexicans?
Republicans aren’t even the conservative party any more, they’re regressives. The current conservatives are the establishment Democrats, like Joe “nothing will fundamentally change” Biden. (And yes, before someone jumps on it saying he was talking to rich people, I know. If anything, that’s worse.)
A dog is a dog, and they all have some serious ability to do harm in the face of a weaker opponent like children or the elderly, there needs to be laws to make the owners liable for any damage caused and make them get time for it. that way owner will be more responsible. or discourage them from getting dogs in the first place
I dont know why you’re getting so downvoted. You’re basically talking about something we’d expect in anything else that needs health and safety laws (eg when walking past scafolding, or having a handrail on a staircase). We used to have dog licensing in this country. I’m not that authoritarian in my ideologies, but I can see some real benefits in having such a scheme back, but also going further as having mandatory training, Police checks on security, etc… if not for the safety of the dog to prevent neglect. I remember seeing dogs neglected badly back on the estates in the 80s. It was fucking awful and its bad that it still goes on. Relying on private prosecution by people like the RSPCA isnt really appropriate when talking about life.
When you’re a scientist, caving can lead to all sorts of discoveries. Discoveries that might help humanity if it’s, for example, a microbe that does something novel. This man was helping advance human knowledge. This was not another Titanic sub situation.
It doesn't have to be unprofitable. They just don't need to "maximize their return". They want tax credits and subsidies for low income housing so they can make the same profit as a bidding war for a luxury condo. It's greed.
The British government isn’t capable of doing any things any of the time. Not to add that while hundreds of refugees are dying trying to cross the channel, Suella bravermen (our home secretary) instead of rescuing, supporting and letting them in she’s complaining about dogs?? The point is that she of all people has bigger things she should be worrying about.
What obligation does the UK have to rescue and take in people trying to illegally enter the country? Seems like a risk people have assumed for themselves and that helping them will only encourage more to try.
But it’s not illegal??? It’s international law that you have to take in any refugees seeking asylum and that applies to the uk as well. The uk is breaking international law and that had been certified multiple times by bodies like the echr and UN.
You’re right. I didn’t realize that the international law of aiding people in distress at sea includes those who intentionally create the risk for themselves in order to provoke rescue. But it does.
As Home Secretary this issues is EXACTLY part of her job! She has the power and finances to do both. Lets not assume she should give up on her other duties because of the boats, dont be conned.
When the UK has had such a massive increase in KSI rates they have to act. As Gregorum said they can deal with more than one issue, even feckless fucks like ours.
Some of them, yes. They didn’t go hunting them but any complaints or incidents or they find one when investigating some other crime then you can be sure your pitbull would be taken away and destroyed.
I don’t think owners got prosecuted or anything as long as the dog was born before the ban, just the dog taken away. Breeders that continued selling them certainly did get prosecuted though.
Wait, like if a neighbor had a problem with you or something they could just report you have a pit bull and the government would then come and take your pet and kill it?!!?
No, not like that. A workmate had a staffy with longer than usual legs. For some reason the neighbours thought it was a pitbull so reported her. Police came, checked the garden was secure, gave some recommendations (like muzzle the animal in public - which she complied with) and left it at that.
It wasnt illegal to own them, it was illegal to buy them after the cutoff date, or to breed new dogs. The police got new powers but couldnt just take the dog without finding actual problems (to protect dog owners and give some fairness).
There was a time when I would have jumped at the chance to work for one of these companies.
Hell, I even interviewed with Google 17 years ago (for a position that I was thoroughly overqualified for).
But, these days I don’t think they could offer me enough money to convince me it would be worth it… Unless there was a HUGE upfront signing bonus that wouldn’t need to be repaid no matter what happens.
They’re shooting themselves in the foot by drastically reducing the talent pool available to them.
It’s a bold strategy, Cotton. Let’s see how it works out for them.
To be fair working there 17 years ago would’ve probably been ok. Like, hard work for sure, but very well compensated and still had the famous company culture. These days it’d be like willingly stepping into a meat grinder.
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