Remember kids: if you don’t want to catch salmonella, always wash your hands after jerking your chicken, kissing your turtle, or whatever the hell you’re calling it these days.
Here is a sample federal prison menu. It’s hard to see any day where he wouldn’t have a significant choice off that list. Him claiming he only eats bread, water and peanut butter is just a play for pity and attention.
Damn, sometimes I just make shitty ramen and some frozen berries for dinner if I’m too tired to cook something real and don’t have leftovers. Prisons have some decent sounding meals.
It sounds good on paper at least. In reality it might depend a lot on the facility. It definitely demolishes the claim that SBF’s only choice is is bread, water and peanut butter. He tried this same schtick when he was held in prison in the Bahamas for 10 days. Maybe it was true there but it sure as hell isn’t true in the US. It’s just pity party theatrics to garner some sympathy.
Considering that Trump told them that COVID-19 wouldn’t kill them and their family said it would, of course they would trust him since it didn’t. Those that died of COVID, of course, didn’t answer the poll. Survivorship bias!
The only people who told me Covid would kill me is those in power. Everyone else seemed to think it was just another virus…
We also found it strange that we were told it’s a major issue for at risk people (duh, everything is), but then sent certain groups, like the elderly, that were confirmed sick back into their communities of at risk folk…
It was a cluster of nonsense. Yea, we want to be safe. We don’t want to get sick even if it is minor, but the cluster of clusters was clusterific.
Not one bit. I approached Covid like a cold and ignored it while your kind lost your minds “trusting the science” which was mostly bullshit. Even now, after the real science which was initially suppressed, has seen the light of day, you’ll sit there and pontificate upon your high horse that everything the government did was necessary for the “greater” good. You probably hated the vaccines when Trump was in office and loved them after Biden was sworn in. Boot licker. Imagine taking an experimental vaccine for a bad cold with a 99.7% survival rate. Whenever you drop dead from Vaids it’ll be counted as a Covid death. Don’t forget your monthly booster Chud.
All your insults and assumptions about me are baseless, I’m not even American. I’ve just been marveling at you conspiracy theorists’ ignorance from afar.
It is good that the houses are becoming less gigantic now, and I have nothing against working-class families.
From the article:
In December, Brad and Julie Redman downsized from their more-than 7,000 square-foot custom-built home to a 3,400 square-foot semi-custom model in Westfield, Ind., after their children left home.
Since 2018, the average unit size for new housing starts has decreased 10% nationally to 2,420 square feet
Sonia Mendez, a real-estate agent in the area, said she has seen builders increase construction of 1,500 to 1,700 square-foot townhomes.
These people want to white wash the gay away. What is the end goal. To make people forget that being gay is a thing. Ugh like 10-15 more years and most of the bigots will be too old to remember why mad.
As a magic fan I’m pretty sour at Posty for this. Loved that he brought more mainstream attention to magic, but not like this. Mr Down To Earth is counting his beans just like the rest of them I guess.
Look I’m all for rehabilitation, but she’s 19 currently, which places her at 16-17 for the murder, without doing more research. By all means, she should receive psychiatric care and rehabilitation should be attempted, but we shouldn’t have our hopes up. And while that’s going on, she must be kept imprisoned – mercy should not come at the expense of the innocence. Someone who makes a threat and then consciously speeds up to kill someone with a car is dangerous to society.
Something else I’ve come to learn is that unfortunately, punishment is necessary. Someone who’s prone to angry outbursts of racism and hate needs to understand that it’s absolutely unacceptable and they need to change. If you keep giving them a slap on the wrist each time, they won’t take it seriously, as compassionate as you are and as much as you try to convince them to change their ways.
This woman will be like 70 paying for the sins of a crazy 17 year old she doesn’t know or understand. Reminds me of Shawshank Redemption. I can feel bad for the victims while also empathizing with the life of the perp being lost and wasted as well
Though I mostly agree with your I do wonder what you’d think if this wasn’t a cute sexy teenager but a fat 25 year old black girl. Or worse, an ugly black guy.
I’m reading these comments and find weirdly a lot of “aahhhwww poor her” messages and I can’t escape the feeling it’s because she’s young and pretty
Unfortunately she made a decision that KILLED SOMEONE with the intent of KILLING SOMEONE.
Her victims will never get to be 70. Let her rot.
And you’re acting like that 70 year old is innocent. That 70 year old intentionally murdered someone because she was upset. Yeah it was 53 years ago but that’s the same person. 53 years ago that 70 year old deprived another human being of the rest of their life because she got upset. I don’t think you’d have the same sympathy for other criminals just because their crime was decades ago.
Nobody argued that it does. They’re arguing that a 70 year old shouldn’t be held responsible for actions they took over 5 decades in the past - from when they were a person so far removed from who they are now that they’re effectively a different person.
No, they’re not literally a different person. Nobody’s actually arguing that lol.
I think people might be getting too hung up on the car and thinking it makes this less of a big deal. It’s the opposite though imo – you shoot a loaded gun, it’s a split second. You hit someone with a car, you’ve had plenty of time to think things through. You don’t tap the accelerator once and then they’re dead. You have to commit to the decision, and actively choose to not hit the brakes or swerve away or throw on the emergency brake.
I have no pity. She knew what she was doing, she chose to do it, and she thought about it beforehand.
It probably would have made a difference if the victims families could see it this way. It’s not like she ran him over. She crashed the car she was in also. Clearly an unsound mind at work.
Yet they begged for the harshest possible sentence. It won’t be enough for them. But the rest of us get to pay for her incarceration for the rest of her natural life.
I went through some pretty turbulent relationship shit when I was that young. One time my girlfriend was so mad at me she opened the car door while we were traveling at freeway speed. She didn’t jump, but still… I feel like I brushed up against this level of crazy even in just the course of my rather average teenage years.
Rehabilitation doesn’t mean the perpetrator won’t spend years separated from society, just that the perp’s sequestration happens in a setting meant to enable him/her to return to society in the distant future, assuming the perp becomes a changed person.
Is this even a question either? Rehabilitation absolutely should be the goal,if possible, no matter what. I’m sure the parent will want revenge, but that doesn’t make it right.
Yeah I was wondering if I was the only one thinking “mentally unfit and not even a legal adult.”
People are all on fire about the fact that she threatened it beforehand therefore it’s open and shut murder. But crazy people are capable of making threats.
Difference is that the number they’re looking at is the average sales price. There is a big difference between starting price for a bare-bones option without fees and actual sales price across the model line.
“It’s horrible for everybody. Yeah, I lost my son, it’s harder on our family, but I don’t want the rest of her life ruined too. It isn’t going to make me feel any better,” he said.
As hard as it is to say something like that… we need more people like this.
That’s fine, but she still made a conscious decision to do it. If she was one year older, would that make any kind of difference?
And let me be clear: mental illness can make some behaviors more understandable, but not murder– if the blame is put solely on mental illness, all that does is put more stigma on it. Not every shitty decision people make is because of “mental illness”.
I’m not sure you know what the word “reactionary” means if you think that my comments and opinions were “reactionary”.
The family can grieve, and my opinion has no bearing on the outcome of whatever happens. My point was, in the end, no matter what the reason, there needs to be consequences for someone who killed people, regardless of what the grieving parties think. I don’t think that’s particularly radical.
It’s a sad and awful situation al around. I can see why those poor families just want to move on.
Why only murder? Why not rape or assault or abuse or any number of different crimes deeply mentally ill people commit on the regular that ruin lives far more deeply than the death of a loved one?
Did they not know how stupid or mentally ill she is?
Just want to shout out here as an anxious and depressed person, the vast majority of the mentally ill are not psychopathic murderers. Mental health absolutely pays a role in decision making, but except for super extremely rare cases, it doesn’t turn someone into a murderer.
I don’t think he’s saying she shouldn’t be accountable and face consequences. He’s said he didn’t want her to spend life in jail. That’s going to be pretty radical for a lot of folks.
Some people are going to think that life in prison or the death penalty should be the minimum consequence. Others are going to think that even a monster like this can repent, change and (unlike her victims) be allowed to live free eventually.
That’s fair, and I get it. To me, that’s absolutely radical, especially if it was my child who was harmed.
I personally have just learned from experience that people who get off easy are likely to continue on the path of destructive behavior.
I’m not necessarily calling for her death or anything… but the punishment needs to fit the crime. Two lives are permanently gone from this world because of the careless and stupid choices she made.
I would agree, but I’d argue that that’s because our current system doesn’t actually rehabilitate people, and solely exists to punish people. Which solves practically nothing.
For me, it’s not about whether or not she can change and repent. I’m all for prison reforms that make prison safe and offer inmates opportunities for growth and self-improvement while they serve their sentences, but I think punishments need to fit crimes and this girl intentionally killed two other people. I think a sentence of 15 years to life is actually a bit lenient (I’m used to 25 years to life being the standard for premeditated murder). I don’t think she should mandatorily have to spend her entire life in prison, but I also don’t think she should get to enjoy even fraction of the life she robbed those two boys of. Ideally, with good behavior, I’d like to see her get out at 45-50 years of age. She would still have a few decades left, but the prime of her life would be gone—no career, no kids. That seems fair to me.
And yet on the same turn, if the father was calling for the death penalty or even a lengthy prison sentence, you all would be admonishing the fact that he even got a say and stating this is why justice systems shouldn’t be about satisfying the victim at all.
The hypocrisy is really blatant and self-serving. Should people be punished for their crimes or not? If yes, then you need to support predetermined sentences for crimes that apply equally across all cases, including this one. If no, then you don’t really believe in justice or government, but something much more insidious.
I have, on Reddit, many a time. They often do it to oppose the death penalty or opposing punishing anyone for crimes. It’s cheap enabling and apologia for all kinds of horrific shit wrapped in a neat little package.
People change. They get better. The guy who shot Reagan got better, and they let him out. Now he writes love songs and posts them on YouTube, and sells his paintings on eBay.
I agree that there should be time served, and a significant amount of it. I’m okay with 15 years. This person needs to be set aside from society while we determine if we can help them and, if we can, to do it.
I’d like to know how we arrived at 15 years, though. Would 10 not be enough? If the court had suggested 20 I don’t think either of us would have said “But surely it can be done in 15.” It feels right but it looks kinda arbitrary and that’s interesting to me.
Oh it’s completely arbitrary. The only way I can think of making it non arbitrary would be a very long study to see how long was necessary for people to genuinely rehabilitate, but even then, it would be based on their own arbitrary sentences.
Means there’s a chance they get out on parole at 15 years. So they may end up with a life sentence if not approved, but regardless, she is serving 15 years.
On the other hand, 17+15 is 32. Think of all of the things you do to get your life started between 17 and 32 and where you’d be if you’d waited to do the stuff you did at 17 until you were 32. That’s a whole lot of life and life experience there.
I witnessed this in a case. Young driver wasn’t paying attention and crossed the line, struck head on and killed an elderly woman on her way to chemotherapy, no joke.
On the recommendation and impassioned pleas of the victim’s family, the defendant plead a manslaughter charge down to a $75 fine for failure to maintain lane or some such infraction. I don’t remember all the facts but was struck by the forward thinking and empathy. The young driver was truly remorseful, part of the pleas were that he had suffered enough, that the memory of what he had done was punishment enough.
Chill out and stop jumping on people for something they never said.
All they commented was that it wasn’t the same situation. That’s a pretty normal thing to do when someone says “oh yeah I remember that happening in this one instance”. They didn’t go after the person or bite their head off or even express aggression.
Ironically, you’re the one jumping on someone for what they didn’t say and perceived aggression that isn’t there.
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