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FrenziedFelidFanatic , in FDA denies MDMA, ecstasy-based drug, to treat PTSD

Personally, I want FDA approval to mean it is as provably safe and effective as possible. They said they wanted more evidence before approval, and I think that’s okay. Good, even.

The way the US treats recreational drug use and self-medication is horrific, but it’s not really the domain of the FDA.

I would rather have not-yet-FDA-approved legal-for-personal-use mdma than what we have now or an unproven drug approved by the FDA.

Cethin ,

Shouldn’t it need to be shown to be unsafe to remove people’s choice to use it though? Proving it safe would be great, but the claim to prevent usage should be that it’s harmful. It’s removing a choice. We shouldn’t have to prove everything is safe to be allowed to do it. We do plenty of things that are unsafe, but these drugs aren’t allowed for no good reason.

Blueberrydreamer ,

Allowing anyone to just sell whatever chemical they come up with without first showing that it’s safe would be insanely irresponsible.

Firoaren ,

???

K, well, you also have the choice to eat literally any mushroom you find growing in the ground, doesn’t mean it’d be legal to sell them as shishkabs on the street. Wtf are you on about mate

Cethin ,

It’s illegal to use these drugs, no matter how you get them. Should that be the case just because some old people don’t like people using them, not because they’re particularly harmful? Alcohol causes a ton of harm, but it’s legal to use. Why is it different?

lath ,

Prohibition. Moonshine. Anyone can make alcohol at home out of fruit.

Can you make ecstasy at home out of fruit?

Cethin ,

Strawman. You aren’t legally allowed to make ecstacy at home even if you are capable, nor are you allowed to consume it if you have it. Also, ecstacy wasn’t illegal during the prohibition. That’s all irrelevant.

People should be allowed to do what they want as long as it doesn’t pose a serious risk to others. Racism is most of what caused the war on drugs, and it’s mostly futile, and often actively harmful. It prevents people from accessing things that may help them (or they may just enjoy), and creating black markets where none need exist. It also creates situations where people may buy stuff and it not be pure, which could be controlled for if legal.

lath ,

Yes, you are a straw man. Alcohol worked because it’s different from ecstasy. Everyone could and did make it at home out of food. Can you make ecstasy at home out of regular food or does everyone do it regardless of law? No. The two are too different in circumstances and so can’t be placed in the same category.

Black markets exist because they’re profitable. The war on drugs was for money, racism was just the hook to get the investors on board.

Also, legality is dependent on the legalizers. Where corruption is rife and consequences nil, legality is worthless when it comes to quality control.

Cethin ,

Yes, you are a straw man.

Lol. What does that mean? Your argument was a strawman argument. You constructed something new to argue against instead of my original argument.

Everyone could and did make it at home out of food. Can you make ecstasy at home out of regular food or does everyone do it regardless of law? No. The two are too different in circumstances and so can’t be placed in the same category.

I can grow my own mushrooms with psilocybin. It’s under the same controls as ecstacy. Do you stand by your logic and agree it should be legal to grow and consume? That isn’t the logic used to make it illegal though, which is what matters.

Black markets exist because they’re profitable.

Yes, and it’s profitable because there’s no legal alternative. There are very few black markets for alcohol, for example, because it’s not necessary and not profitable when a legal option is easily available with checks to ensure it’s safe and actually what it says it is. Legalize drugs and we can make them safer to use and mostly eliminate black markets, which create a lot of danger and criminal activity.

The war on drugs was for money, racism was just the hook to get the investors on board.

No, it was mostly for politics, and winning them through racism. It’s fairly well documented.

Also, legality is dependent on the legalizers. Where corruption is rife and consequences nil, legality is worthless when it comes to quality control.

If there is proof of quality, even without consequences from the government (which should probably also be in place), consumers wouldn’t purchase from places selling a bad product unless it’s significantly cheaper. The consequence would be fewer buyers and having to have lower prices. Legality also allows people to seek treatment without fear of being held accountable for using an illegal product. It let’s people openly discuss options and issues. It also creates an environment for legal competition, not just turf wars. Legalizing drugs has a huge number of benefits without going into things like the harm caused by policing.

lath ,

A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction.

You asked what’s different about alcohol. I gave an answer. How is that a strawman? Also, the reason I called you a straw man is because you seem to be grasping at straws.

_

My logic is that alcohol is so easily made and of such variety that attempting to outlaw it was proven to be a pointless endeavor. Do psilocybin mushrooms share the same circumstances? If so, then attempting to ban them completely would likely end up in a similar situation as with alcohol.

_

Again, legalizing something doesn’t automatically make it safer. Without proper supervision, legality only provides free reign over production and distribution. Which can mean more product, faster sales, lower quality. Can it be safer? Yes. Will it? By looking at current examples of similar persuasion, it’s doubtful.

_

Documentation changes all the time, so I won’t stick to my point of view for long on any matters that prove otherwise.

_ You’re giving consumers too much credit.

frezik ,

IIRC, advocates in this space were expecting this outcome. The research around MDMA-based treatment is promising but not quite there yet.

Psilocybin-based treatment, on the other hand, is looking more solid.

x00z ,
@x00z@lemmy.world avatar

Ketamine as well.

Otakulad , in MAGA fans call for boycott of Dunkin Donuts: ‘The Bud Lite treatment’

I remember seeing on Shitter the founder of Home Depot was supporting Trump and people were saying they wouldn’t shop there anymore.

The snowflake Trump supports were upset people would do that because it was hurting the workers. I guess it only matters when it is their cause.

Buddahriffic ,

Any argument they make is just what they think will have the most chance of getting others to agree with them. They didn’t give a fuck about the workers in either case just like BP didn’t really give a fuck about the retirees that depended on their survival.

EncryptKeeper ,

The right coined both “Cancel culture” and “Go woke Go broke” within 5 years.

P00ptart ,

Menards supports trump too.

octopus_ink , in MAGA fans call for boycott of Dunkin Donuts: ‘The Bud Lite treatment’

I refuse to believe this will impact DD in any meaningful way.

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/f3675374-2006-470d-9d70-f958a93bdc00.jpeg

P00ptart ,

What are they gonna do? Go to Starbucks? Lmao.

MerrySkeptic , in Report: Trump calls Harris a "bitch"

Reports say he walked to an unoccupied room, looked over his shoulder, and in a hushed tone said, “Biiiiiiiiiiiiitch…”

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

He actually called her a bitch though, right?

cypherix93 ,

Hm?

ChronosTriggerWarning ,

You are ready to defeat him now!

LittleTarsier ,

Did he say that though?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Did he actually say, “bitch?”

Brickhead92 ,

He looked her right in the windows to her soul and said… Looks all around twice… He said ^bitch.

ChaoticEntropy ,
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“But you really said that to her, right?”

“Y… yeah, fo’ sure, you know it.” looks around

jballs , in Top Trump donor 'stunned' after he lashed out at her in a series of 'angry texts'
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Trump accusing billionaire supporter Miriam Adelson, the widow of the casino magnate Sheldon Adelson, of allowing the PAC she has funded with millions of dollars, Preserve America, to be run by “Republicans in Name Only,” also known as RINOs.

This sounds like another felony to add to the list. PACs are not allowed to coordinate with candidates or their campaigns, which is how they’re allowed to raise unlimited amounts of money. Trump directing how the PAC be run sure does sound like coordination to me.

nomous ,

He just can’t stop criming!

Roflmasterbigpimp ,
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2 in 46 US-Presidents are addicted to crime. You can help now. For only a small amount, you can feel like you have done something.

TrueStoryBob ,

PACs are not allowed to coordinate with candidates or their campaigns, which is how they’re allowed to raise unlimited amounts of money.

If anyone doesn’t get that stuff like this is always said with a nod and a wink… they don’t understand how truly broken our campaign finance system is in reality. The Citizens United case is blinding proof that this Supreme Court has been in the bag for conservatives and reactionaries for decades. Project 2025 is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the wealthy, empowered by Reagan era Neoliberalism, attempting a fascist takeover of the United States. It’s the Business Plot (or “Wall Street Putsch”) of 1933, but in super slow motion.

jay , in Report: Trump calls Harris a "bitch"
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So, should Kamala play into this by walking out to the podium at her next rally to Meredith Brooks's "Bitch" to troll Trump?

Crackhappy ,
@Crackhappy@lemmy.world avatar

That might be too badass.

ninjabard ,

I would also accept Elton John’s The Bitch is Back

JimSamtanko ,

FUCK YES SHE SHOULD.

aphlamingphoenix ,

“I’m a bitch, I’m a lover, I’m a child, I’m a mother” might play better than just acceptance of the term.

ChaoticEntropy , in Betsy DeVos, Who Quit Trump Admin, Says She’d Serve Again if Trump Wins
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One more idiotic cretin for the pile.

ChaoticEntropy , in Top Trump donor 'stunned' after he lashed out at her in a series of 'angry texts'
@ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

It’s a big pile of money that Trump/a Trump lackey doesn’t directly control, of course he wants to strong-arm someone in to putting his loyalists in charge. Lest we forget… the head of the RNC is his daughter-in-law.

Cuttlefish1111 , in FDA denies MDMA, ecstasy-based drug, to treat PTSD

The FDA approved OxyContin when OxyContin was heroin, so FDA doesn’t mean jack shit.

robocall , in Court says cis students can sue to avoid sharing a restroom with trans classmates
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There’s no previous cases of assault or harassment of cis people by trans people for using the bathroom. Their fears are not valid. It’s as valid as a student suing because they have a phobia of the color grey and can’t be forced to use a bathroom that has any grey in it.

wintermute_oregon ,
FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

And if you can’t trust the Mormon government of Utah when it comes to queer people… really, can you trust anyone?

wintermute_oregon ,

Not sure what the Utah government has to do with news clippings but ok, you do you

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

It’s almost like the clippings alone don’t tell the full story.

But come on- would Mormon leaders ever be deceptive?

wintermute_oregon ,

Mormon leaders have nothing to do with the document. That’s why I’m baffled by your comment. It’s like you didn’t look at the document.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I did, in fact, look at the highly selective and edited document with no really good way to confirm every story. Or even more than one or two.

You, on the other hand, either didn’t notice the URL, don’t know who runs Utah, are incredibly naive or just dishonest.

The first article is from the Christian Broadcasting Network and many of the others are from Fox News.

wintermute_oregon ,

And?

The statement is there has never been a case and that’s false.

Anytime someone says there has never been… it’s almost always a false statement.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Nice try. You posted a bunch of of right wing sources with a really bigoted agenda.

But that’s nothing compared to the trans agenda, am I right?

wintermute_oregon ,

News articles are now bigoted?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Do not pretend you’ve never heard of Fox News’ anti-queer bigotry and racism.

I don’t know why you want me to think you’re ignorant.

And yes, “news” articles from a company that owes close to a billion dollars for lying to promote their agenda can be bigoted. Duh.

wintermute_oregon ,

You’re so off topic. I’ll just you rant by yourself now. Have fun

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That’s definitely one way to weasel out of your attempt to give Fox News and fucking CBN legitimacy.

wintermute_oregon ,

I’ll just add you to by block list now and nothing of value will be lost. I prefer to keep conversations on topic and not bigoted rants

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

HAHAHAHA! I’m the bigot? Bigoted against Fox News?

kurwa ,

Damn, just take the L bro

wintermute_oregon ,

There is no L bub. People are in prison for doing exactly what the person said never happens.

HauntedBucket ,

People don’t buy your bullshit outside the echo chamber. Hell, most people don’t buy your shit IN the echo chamber.

wintermute_oregon ,

You’re so weird.

HauntedBucket ,

I thought you were anti-socialism but you’re out here getting publicly owned left and right

wintermute_oregon ,

You’re so weird.

kurwa ,

Only weirdo here is you, pro touching kids party.

wintermute_oregon ,

I don’t vote democrat

HauntedBucket ,
wintermute_oregon ,

You’re so weird and creepy.

kurwa ,

I know! You’re the party of young marriages right? The party of priests touching kids?

wintermute_oregon ,

Priest are mainly democrats as are most Catholics.

HauntedBucket ,
kurwa ,

Okay christo fast, keep touching those kids.

wintermute_oregon ,

I’m an atheist weirdo.

HauntedBucket ,

The comment: “You’re a child molester and christian”

You: “Now wait a minute, I’m no christian!”

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Just wanted to add that the modlog shows why their deleted link was bullshit if anyone is curious.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

The stupidest part to me is that cis women could also potentially assault other cis women in public restrooms but these bigots haven’t even considered that possibility.

Also, if you are a cis man and are just desperate to sexually assault a woman in a public restroom, I would think that a janitor’s uniform and a mop would be enough.

Silentiea ,
@Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Or even the concept that trans men exist. They are demanding to share restrooms with men, on the grounds that otherwise they may have to share restrooms with people they think are men.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Absolutely. And when I see one of these white knights (and it’s almost always a man) talk about how women have to be protected from men in public bathrooms and locker rooms and therefore people should only be forced to use the room corresponding to their biological sex, I show a picture of a man like this and ask them if they think the women they are desperate to protect would feel comfortable changing around him, despite his two X chromosomes.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/9c37dacf-6308-4cd4-b9bb-3e2d50f9de83.png

Thebeardedsinglemalt , in Betsy DeVos, Who Quit Trump Admin, Says She’d Serve Again if Trump Wins

One of those who quit-to-save-face when the orange turd incited an attempted coup? Color me shocked

Clasm , in Insurance lobbyists block federal crackdown on costly retirement advice

the government aims to ensure that financial advisers “give advice that’s prudent, that’s loyal, that doesn’t invite overcharges, and doesn’t involve lying to people,” said Timothy D. Hauser, the deputy assistant secretary for program operations of the Employee Benefits Security Administration, part of the Labor Department.

FACC — argued that the rules would be “potentially devastating for the insurance industry

That tracks…

SirSamuel , in Horses are smart enough to plan and strategise, new study shows

As one of nature’s pedestrians, I’ll never trust a creature that looks at me with it’s teeth. Even I could tell you those bastards are plotting something all of the time

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