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Realitaetsverlust ,

Pretty worried about the comments man. Murdering (or trying to) a candidate of any political party is terrible.

tocopherol ,
@tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

People fantasize about going back in time to kill baby Hitler. By all measures Trump would like to be a new Hitler and his most fervent supporters see him as that. Is it surprising people would support such an action to stop him?

OceanSoap ,

None of his supporters, unless you’re talking about a very extreme fringe, look at him as Hitler.

MataVatnik ,
@MataVatnik@lemmy.world avatar

Yeh cause if they did they wouldn’t be voting for him. That’s how this works.

OceanSoap ,

I thought that trump supporters were Nazis and liked that trump was like Hitler, so what do you mean?

MataVatnik ,
@MataVatnik@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic but I talked to a friend last night who lives in Mississippi and he said that he talks to people who think that Trump is legit a good Christiana and a good person.

Realitaetsverlust ,

If you unironically think trump would be a new Hitler, I’m either completely underestimating his threat or you’re batshit fucking insane.

Skullgrid ,
@Skullgrid@lemmy.world avatar

what’s your opinion on project 2025 and its contents?

Realitaetsverlust ,

Dunno much about it, I’m not american, but at what I could find with a quick online search, it looks pretty awful. Looks nowhere near the control you’d need for a dictatorship.

OceanSoap ,

Not only is it terrible, it’s an actual threat to democracy.

I don’t know how anyone is surprised though. When you use words like “Nazi” and “existential threat” and “threat to our democracy” it can’t be a shock when someone tries to become a historic hero for taking out the supposed next Hitler, and people who buy into that propaganda language are going to cheer them on and want more of it. They’re frothing at the mouth, imagining they’re on the right side of history.

I get what the Dems are trying to do with pushing that language, but it really is playing with fire. It was a 50/50 chance that they could get him ineligible to run, alive or dead, and they’ve lost each bet.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

OceanSoap being loaded into the train car: “Ok guys, any minute now will be the prime opportunity to stop these fascist guys. Just remember to consider both sides, they might have a really good reason for taking us out to this isolated camp.”

AFaithfulNihilist ,
@AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world avatar

See they’re having us fill the whole back up again. This isn’t a mass grave. They’re just putting us to work! See creating jobs why complain?

OceanSoap ,

Picking good arguments from both candidates isn’t allowing one to walk all over you,.

Zink ,

This feels like some strained both-sidesing here.

Calling the traitorous self-serving felon that caused an actual attack on the government and the Democratic process “a threat to democracy” seems tame, honestly. And that’s not even getting into his promises to jail political opponents, be a dictator on day one, suspend the constitution, call the free press an enemy of the people, and claim absolute authority and absolute immunity.

But then that whole political group also seems convinced that a barely progressive status quo “let’s work together” administration is literally totalitarian tyranny.

Asyx ,

On top of that, if trump would have been killed, there is technically nothing stopping the US from postponing elections, coming up with an intermediate solution to have a functioning government without a D. president (like, no appointing of judges and such) and then have an election next year when the Republicans had enough time to find a new candidate.

If trump pushes through the things he said he’d do and what his supporters are supporting like project 2025, there’s a real chance that there are no actually democratic elections in 2028. And this is ignoring the fact that gerrymandering and the electoral college are already questionable and regularly abused by or benefit Republicans the most.

voldage ,

I see republican voters shooting republican candidates as pretty much reasonable outcome rather than some newly emergent threat to democracy. Trump made his image himself, it was him who decided to harass miniorities and brag about reading Mein Kampf often. It was him who made republican message extreme, provoked an insurrection, had all those criminal charges and appointed obviously corrupt judges. He groomed americans into feeling insecure and threatened and radicalized a lot of them. I think random depressed kids trying to suicide by shooting him is the least he should expect, especially seeing that USA has a gun cult focused around right to bear arms against threats to democracy. Also a child rapist, which alone is enough for millions of people to pull the trigger. You’re seriously blaming his bad image on anyone else?

angel ,

Trump made his image himself, it was him who decided to harass miniorities and brag about reading Mein Kampf often.

The absolute garbage that does be on the internet, honestly.

voldage ,

Right, sorry, it was his wife that outed him for having Hitler speeches book “My New Order” back in 1990, which he apparently kept in a cabinet next to his bed. In the interview he also admitted having a copy of Mein Kampf, though he never openly claimed to read that book often. When he quoted Hitler in 2023 he said it was just a coincidence. Which caused no one to feel uneasy, no one at all. His former chief of staff claimed that Trump praised Hitler for doing some good things, like rebuilding the economy.

So right, sorry, I mixed the “Mein Kampf” for “My New Order”, and it was his wife that outed that, he only confirmed.

Twelve20two ,

His victory as president of the US is a threat to democracy. He already attempted a coup in 2021

OceanSoap ,

I mean, he attempted a coup in the same way Biden sent that kid to shoot Trump a few days ago.

You know what’s more of a threat to democracy? Trying to imprison a political opponent.

Twelve20two ,

Do you have a source for Biden paying off that kid?

Also, Trump should serve time for the financial crimes he committed outside of being president. Him being in prison wouldn’t be that much of an issue for a lot of his fans

OceanSoap ,

Do you have a source for Trump paying off the j6 protesters?

The issue over his crimes are whether they’re actually federal crimes or not.

Twelve20two ,

I never said anything about him paying off people who took part in the failed coup

OceanSoap ,

I didn’t say anything about a payment either.

z00s ,

He himself said he would be a dictator on day one.

i.redd.it/i69jnt27a8gz.png

OceanSoap ,

Yeah, as a joke. Context matters. Like how I don’t think Biden meant he wanted some to shoot trump when he said “put a bullseye on him”.

z00s ,

Here’s your broader context, all direct quotes:

“We’re going to build a wall, and Mexico is going to pay for it”

“When the looting starts, the shooting starts”

“I will totally obliterate the deep state”

IT’S JUST A JOKE BRO, IT’S JUST A PRANK

zarkanian ,
@zarkanian@sh.itjust.works avatar

Were you asleep the first time he was in office? Read Project 2025. That’s what they plan on doing if he gets elected.

OceanSoap ,

I wasn’t. The economy was far better and we didn’t start any new wars.

I did read project 2025, but Trump has already said that’s not his aim or connect to him. He does have an agenda, but it’s not that one

DoucheBagMcSwag , (edited )

After thinking about this REALLY REALLY HARD…offing him will do nothing to stop the creep of facism. You have an entire party now aligned with the idealogices that the 3rd Reich had. And it’s the entire party. MAGA killed the GOP after they got rid of Cheney. You cut one head off and 3 more will pop up identical to him…with vindication. Its going to be a yearly struggle and I’m afraid we won’t be able to hold them back forever.

Tyfud ,

There’s a reason the Allies kept trying to assassinate Hitler during WW2, and it wasn’t because they thought it was a bad plan to end the war.

Not saying I agree or disagree with you. Just sayin’ how it happened last time.

ILikeBoobies ,

Killing him potentially turns their party against themselves as they fight each other for the power vacuum it creates

Doing it before he picks a VP furthers that unity divide

merc ,

After thinking about this REALLY REALLY HARD…offing him will do nothing to stop the creep of [fascism]

Who would step in to replace Trump? Trump has worked hard to discredit anybody who could potentially challenge him. Strongmen often groom a son to take over for them, but only after they’ve been in power for many years. Trump might want Junior to take over, but I doubt even Trump’s hand-picked yes-men would accept Junior at this point.

Instead you’d almost certainly get a power vacuum with various Republican factions trying to take over.

You cut one head off and 3 more will pop up

And those 3 would start snapping at each-other trying to become the dominant head. And, as long as they’re distracted snapping at each-other, they’re not going to be focusing on us.

IMO, Trump is also the only thing holding this right-wing coalition together. As soon as he’s gone the factions are going to turn on each-other. The bad thing is that they’ve already shown that they’re going to get violent when they feel their grip on power is slipping. I’m sure this assassination attempt is going to lead to right-wing violence, and if it had succeeded it would have been a lot more violence.

The most dangerous thing about Trump is that he’s he’s got almost half the US behind him. There are probably more cruel Republicans, and probably some who would be more effective at implementing their cruel policies. But, not many who would be able to get so much support and keep the coalition together.

The Republican base is getting smaller each year as old people die. It’s not a popular platform with the younger voters. If the US can avoid a Trump win this year, the MAGA version of the Republican party will probably fall apart. Then it will be back to the regular corporatocracy that the US has been dealing with for decades. If he does win… well I’m glad I don’t live in the US.

curiouschipmunk ,

I believe the same. Want it or not, Trump has the charisma that nobody else in the party does. And the luck. My only hope to stop the madness was to have Trump losing the election then dropping dead by natural causes after. That’d be safest way to take all his followers out of the spell. I really don’t see any other way for his cult to end. Then the right wing extremists go back to hate in their closets and, if democrats are smart, keep having more moderate candidates like Biden and reign the extreme left as well.

merc ,

It would have to be a big loss. If it’s at all close, there’s going to be a lot of violence.

The only other thing I could think of that could end things without a lot more violence is if a scandal finally stuck to him and resulted in him losing support. Like, the Epstein stuff. The right has spent years getting their base riled up against pedophiles and groomers. If people believed that Trump really was a pedophile, it could finally sink him. But, nothing seems to stick to him.

Whatever happens, I hope scholars can study him and figure out why he’s so charismatic to so many people. I don’t get it. I look at him and I see a dumb, fat blow-hard who lies constantly and can’t even string a sentence together. Yet, for some reason, other people look at that and see a hero.

Wilzax , (edited )

If your feelings weren’t mixed you either don’t value human life or you don’t value democracy.

Edit: a bystander was killed and so was the 20 year old gunman. This is the human life I’m referring to.

chemical_cutthroat ,
@chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world avatar

We aren’t running out of humans, and we don’t live in a democracy…

confusedbytheBasics ,

Turns out you don’t have to be running out of humans to value human life.

chemical_cutthroat ,
@chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world avatar

If I have a bowl of rice, and one of the grains is actively trying to end my way of life, I don’t mind when someone shoots at it with an assault rifle.

Viking_Hippie ,

First of all: rice doesn’t have that kind of agency

Second of all: shooting at a grain of rice in your bowl with an assault rifle is many times more likely to hit you than that specific grain of rice

Third, if that’s REALLY the best analogy you could think of, you should just stop the whole “communicating your thoughts to other people” thing. Evidently it’s not something you’re ever going to get the hang of.

Fourth and finally: a propos of nothing except the fact that I just listened to an episode of My Brother, My Brother, and Me, horses are overrated, and not just by the McElroy brothers.

lemmyseizethemeans ,

Define ‘Human’

DmMacniel ,
@DmMacniel@feddit.org avatar

is Democracy really just a choice between an evil and a good? the USA needs way more politcal parties than just two.

A_Very_Big_Fan , (edited )

What? The current events are an attempt on someone’s life with the goal of saving what semblance of democracy we have left.

Did y’all seriously miss the memo? It’s pretty obvious what he meant if you haven’t been under a rock for the last 24hrs.

Carrolade ,

It’s pretty wishful thinking to think Proj 2025 and all the other MAGAs are going to fade away after the orange man is gone. Did you not see De Santis’ support before Trump entered the race?

Facebones ,

There’s a lot of bullets in the country, Republicans made dire of that. Shame if it backfired on them.

galoisghost ,
@galoisghost@aussie.zone avatar

The USA needs ranked choice voting

NorthWestWind ,
@NorthWestWind@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t even know the news how can I feel mixed

MrFunnyMoustache ,

Assassination attempt on Trump in a rally.

NorthWestWind ,
@NorthWestWind@lemmy.world avatar

I see. Thanks

explodicle ,

Paradox of tolerance: Trump will end democracy and even more lives.

kameecoding ,

There is no way to know if he wouldnt have just turned into martyr and help elect someone even worse

supertrucker ,

No, the person most likely to end democracy will advocate rolling back freedoms to ‘preserve’ it, or to punish the wicked people that are considered their political enemies. The most likely person won’t be a Democrat, but will almost certainly be a leftist that starts their own populist political party

areyouevenreal ,

Fascism has always been a right wing ideology. While leftists have made some terrible mistakes, you shouldn’t pretend they are the only or main threat to democracy.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Leftists don’t believe America can be saved, they wouldn’t “roll back freedoms,” whatever the heck that means, they would dismantle the state and build up a new one.

Rivalarrival ,

Edit: a bystander Trump supporter was killed

FTFY. They were attending a Trump rally. They weren’t just a bystander. They were complicit.

supertrucker ,

You are truly the epitome of an evil person. God help us if someone like you ever gains any real political power

Rivalarrival ,

I’ve been called worse by better people.

supertrucker ,

You don’t have to convince me. I believe you

Tar_alcaran ,

Trump has frequently called for the violent death of his enemies. Everyone at that rally supported this position.

I don’t feel bad at all for the thing they want to happen to others happening to them.

supertrucker ,

So, for all your haunted ideals, at the end of the day, you are no better than him. You are a narcissistic person that gets a perverse pleasure from the suffering of your perceived political enemies

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Would you kill Hitler, or throw aside your gun for the sake of “civility?”

Would killing Hitler make you “no better than Hitler?”

supertrucker ,

No, it means the next guy to commit atrocities will have a different last name. Your cartoonish views on morality is tiring

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Gotcha, you would in fact let Hitler be.

supertrucker ,

Well, what if the guy that took Hitlers place was every bit as evil, but wasn’t a bumbling idiot in military matters? Worse yet, what if he gave his scientist budgets and told them to make super weapons with no real interference? The first atomic bomb could have dropped on Bristol or Leningrad, instead of Hiroshima

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

It would take time for someone to take his place, which gives resistance time. It is a good thing to fight fascism.

supertrucker ,

There was plenty of resistance to the Nazis rise to power, until the Nazis consolidated power and suppressed it. Any authoritarian leader in 1930s Germany would have done the same thing. Remember, if you’re taking out Hitler before 1931, all the factors that allowed him to rise to power are still there, like the great depression and the treaty of Versailles. Anyone becoming a dictator during that time would have done so likely by some variation of Hilters playback with much the same results

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Yes, the liberals generally aligned with the fascists against the antifascist left. This consolidation of power did happen because of the material conditions in Weimar Germany, you are absolutely correct. However, that does not mean killing Hitler would have been worthless.

History does not move by Great Man Theory, we agree on this. At the same time, fighting Nazi leaders does harm the Nazi movement.

n3m37h ,

Sorry but most politicians don’t care about democracy either, just enriching themselves and close friends

Atlas_ ,

I don’t have to have feelings about something to value it.

cmrn ,

Pessimistically, I don’t see how the system gets better without full collapse.

But wow imagine a few normal candidates running again. Imagine getting to vote for politics and not in a rule-breaking popularity contest.

suction ,

That’s a bit drama-queenish.

We had a good thing before Trump ran for president and won.

Once he’s gone things will go back to normal over time.

kaffiene ,

Trump is just the logical conclusion of the christo fascist takeover of the Republicans. It will be there when he’s gone

suction ,

I understand your position but I think you’re wrong. Fascists always, without exception, need a “charismatic” leader like the Nazis with Hitler or the Russians with Putin. There’s currently only Trump who can fill that role. It’s of course possible that another such person appears out of nowhere, but I don’t see anyone on their side. Trump was a TV star and tacky racist celeb (birthed) since the 80s. His brand isn’t new, he build it over a long time. Who do you think would fill his shoes if yesterday’s attempt had succeeded? There’s no one.

kaffiene ,

Raegan was a similar character previously. I don’t doubt they will arise again. Certainly, there are many Republicans with the same reactionary politics.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

This is Great Man Theory. Trump would not be popular if his policies and stances weren’t popular, and there are plenty of replacements.

suction ,

Yet who is a better fit for that theory than Trump, from the perspective of his fans, at least?

Cowbee , (edited )
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

That’s not what Great Man Theory is. Trump is an excellent example of why Great Man Theory is wrong. Great Man Theory just states that history is guided by influential figures, which is wrong. The Material Conditions of society determine what ideas dominate, and thus people appearing to be influential become popular.

suction ,

Oh someone took a semester of social sciences! Way to go, son!

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

What are you trying to do? Legitimately, what is your goal here? To say I don’t know what Great Man Theory actually is?

suction ,

You’re arguing whether the GM theory is right or wrong, I’m saying to Trump supporters, it doesn’t matter, he’s their “Great Man”, they’ve fallen for the idea that a Great Man will fix all their problems. Because they are stupid and believe in false ideals. That’s why I’m getting the impression you’re trying to show off how much you know instead of engaging with the actual topic. Do you need a pat on the back?

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

You’re arguing whether the GM theory is right or wrong

Not quite. I know it’s wrong, my argument is that your analysis of Trump is wrong because it assumes Great Man Theory is correct, ie Trump’s views will die with him and there couldn’t be a successor.

I’m saying to Trump supporters, it doesn’t matter, he’s their “Great Man”, they’ve fallen for the idea that a Great Man will fix all their problems. Because they are stupid and believe in false ideals.

This isn’t Great Man Theory on the part of Trump Supporters. Trump Supporters hold fascist views because of their material conditions, not because Trump convinced them to.

That’s why I’m getting the impression you’re trying to show off how much you know instead of engaging with the actual topic. Do you need a pat on the back?

No, I genuinely was making a point, attacking it for having an understood meaning undermines your position.

Iron_Lynx ,

We’ve missed the exit for the third-best timeline that still involves That Guy: the one where Donnie bites the dust before the elections. Unless someone fills the guy’s plane with Anthrax or something like that, we’re still on track for locking in the USA as a failed state.

(the second best timeline with That Guy would be the one where he simply loses the election. The very best would be where the DOJ makes something stick against him & he’s disqualified before the elections.)

Iron_Lynx ,

Let’s also face it, if there’s a candidate that’s so divisive that someone looks at the massive security apparatus for people like him and still think it’s worth trying to assassinate him, that would be grounds - at least for me - to re-evaluate whether the candidate is the right guy.

InternetUser2012 ,

Having your own team trying to kill you says a lot too.

obinice ,
@obinice@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve not looked at the news yet, Lemmy was my first stop. I’m thinking… earthquake in the Kremlin?

There’s a lot of really nice architecture there, it’d be a shame for it to be lost in rubble.

That, or we got disqualified from the Euros final xD

phdepressed ,

Trump got shot at. Trump fine (hence the meme), shooter dead, couple bystanders dead.

Rivalarrival ,

Trump got shot at. Trump fine (hence the meme), shooter dead, couple bystanders Trump supporters dead.

yetiftw ,

they’re still people

Midnight1938 ,

Yea americans forget that sometimes

devfuuu ,

The kind of “people” that are ok with killing most of the others.

Midnight1938 ,

Yep, given the number of places currently ‘technically’ invaded by the country. I guess i guess everyone’s desensitised

Draedron ,

Yeah, bad people who try to establish fascism in america, so nothing to be sad about.

Rivalarrival ,

They are, indeed, people. My point was only that they are not “bystanders”. They are actively involved, and much more so than the average voter.

gravitas_deficiency ,

We’re getting into paradox of tolerance territory, tbh. I’m not upset that supporters of fascism were killed.

I am upset that the guy with the rifle didn’t have better aim (if indeed that was actually how everything went down, and it wasn’t staged in one way or another, because there are several fishy things about this).

experbia ,
@experbia@lemmy.world avatar

i wouldn’t know, according to them and their folks, my friends and family and I are not people, so I guess my definition of that must differ. moreover, I don’t dispense sympathy for people who would cheer and support the news that me and mine have been hunted down and shot in the street. I don’t sympathize with the aggressors. I’ve just been trying to mind my own business and live my life as best I can, but these people (in sudden newfound need of sympathy and feelings of safety, lmao) have been talking for years of purges of non-Whites and gays, and civil wars, and rounding up the undesirables (that’s me, apparently, by virtue of birth) to clean up the country. might as well be asking me to sympathize with a school shooter over his hearing damage from not wearing earplugs while he mowed down a classroom.

HowManyNimons ,

Please try to remember that being better than them means being better than them.

Tja ,

But that’s a sacrifice he’s willing to make

Phoeniqz ,
@Phoeniqz@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Dude is really going through the entire comment section and correcting people who use “bystander” instead of “Trump supporter”

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

Melania was disappointed by 2 inches once again.

BonesOfTheMoon ,

Woohoohoohoohoohoo.

BonesOfTheMoon , (edited )

My feelings weren’t mixed on Trump. I hope the next person has better aim.

I was just plain old sad about Richard Simmons, Dr Ruth, and Shannen Doherty. They all deserve better.

BeigeAgenda ,
@BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca avatar

Yeah, I guess the convicted felon is destined to expire on his golden throne while trying to push out a Big Mac.

ComradePorkRoll ,

Wouldn’t it have been hilarious if that’s what happened after the fact?

Hextubewontallowme ,
@Hextubewontallowme@lemmy.ml avatar

I’d say I have no mixed feelings…

drunkpostdisaster ,

I rather it never happened. But him surviving is the worst outcome.

HawlSera ,

Yeah… Surviving that basically won him the election.

DarkCloud , (edited )

Yeah… Surviving that basically won him the election.

Not if everyone making this assumption gets out and votes, rather than staying at home and assuming they’ve already lost. The left outnumber the right after all. Losing is a turnout issue.

clot27 ,
@clot27@lemm.ee avatar

Kinda crazy to think Biden can still pull this off. Furthermore, it happened in PA, a crucial state.

DarkCloud ,

You could run a cabbage, but if everyone votes for them they’ve pulled it off. Voting is the difference between winning and losing.

python ,

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    jsomae ,

    Without Trump, who do the republicans have? De Santis? Nah. Martyr means nothing if there’s no realistic second choice.

    (Otherwise, the CIA wouldn’t have bothered assassinating political candidates in south America)

    tocopherol ,
    @tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Not to mention numerous Black Panthers, civil rights leaders, many others killed. The state knows that assassination can work.

    drunkpostdisaster ,

    They are treating him like a martyr right now.

    rustydomino ,
    @rustydomino@lemmy.world avatar

    No mixed feelings at all. I am unequivocally sad that we lost Richard Simmons today 😢😢😢

    garbagebagel ,

    Damn this is how I found out. Extra sad now, thanks.

    Confused_Emus ,

    And Dr Ruth. That lady was such a charming little horn dog.

    hemmes ,
    @hemmes@lemmy.world avatar

    And Dr. Ruth! 😪

    eldavi ,

    it sounds like he was in a dark place for the last decade or so; if that’s true, at least now he’s no longer suffering.

    jose1324 ,

    Nothing mixed. Fully sad he didn’t die and this will cement his win in the coming months. We’re fucked.

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    There’s still time for the DNC to swap Biden out for a more electable candidate and energize their own base again, for what it’s worth, though at this point I think the DNC wants to lose so they can secure more funding.

    SeattleRain ,

    This Rhino must be talking to liberals.

    nnjethro ,

    Yes, and the Republicans who miss when their party wasn’t loony tunes.

    SSJMarx ,

    So, basically liberals.

    EmpathicVagrant ,

    It’s the same picture.

    poorlytunedAstring ,

    Oh yeah, that’s right, I keep forgetting this is fashion commy territory and they use liberal as a slur like Republicans do with no self-awareness

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    You’re on Lemmy, outside of explicitly anti-communist spaces like Lemmy.world you’re going to find more leftists.

    Leftists referring to Liberals negatively is standard leftism, as Liberals support the Capitalist status quo and stand in the way of progress. The fact that Republicans are even further right than Liberals and use Lib as a slur for people less right wing does not mean leftists are without “self-awareness.”

    You could read theory if you want to, plenty of people would be willing to share tips and pointers, then you wouldn’t have to rely on edgeless snark.

    HowManyNimons ,

    Bah. They’re Republicans in name only.

    dodgy_bagel ,

    No mixed feelings.

    I wish there was more wind.

    I like wind.

    ipkpjersi ,

    Don’t you mean less wind?

    BCsven ,

    Depends on direction

    bountygiver ,

    not sure if information is reliable but someone who knew him talked about he is a bad shot, so more wind for the assist would help

    ipkpjersi ,

    That seems believable. lol

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