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Iron_Lynx ,

We’ve missed the exit for the third-best timeline that still involves That Guy: the one where Donnie bites the dust before the elections. Unless someone fills the guy’s plane with Anthrax or something like that, we’re still on track for locking in the USA as a failed state.

(the second best timeline with That Guy would be the one where he simply loses the election. The very best would be where the DOJ makes something stick against him & he’s disqualified before the elections.)

Iron_Lynx ,

Let’s also face it, if there’s a candidate that’s so divisive that someone looks at the massive security apparatus for people like him and still think it’s worth trying to assassinate him, that would be grounds - at least for me - to re-evaluate whether the candidate is the right guy.

InternetUser2012 ,

Having your own team trying to kill you says a lot too.

BonesOfTheMoon , (edited )

My feelings weren’t mixed on Trump. I hope the next person has better aim.

I was just plain old sad about Richard Simmons, Dr Ruth, and Shannen Doherty. They all deserve better.

Hextubewontallowme ,
@Hextubewontallowme@lemmy.ml avatar

I’d say I have no mixed feelings…

Realitaetsverlust ,

Pretty worried about the comments man. Murdering (or trying to) a candidate of any political party is terrible.

tocopherol ,
@tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

People fantasize about going back in time to kill baby Hitler. By all measures Trump would like to be a new Hitler and his most fervent supporters see him as that. Is it surprising people would support such an action to stop him?

OceanSoap ,

None of his supporters, unless you’re talking about a very extreme fringe, look at him as Hitler.

MataVatnik ,
@MataVatnik@lemmy.world avatar

Yeh cause if they did they wouldn’t be voting for him. That’s how this works.

OceanSoap ,

I thought that trump supporters were Nazis and liked that trump was like Hitler, so what do you mean?

MataVatnik ,
@MataVatnik@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic but I talked to a friend last night who lives in Mississippi and he said that he talks to people who think that Trump is legit a good Christiana and a good person.

Realitaetsverlust ,

If you unironically think trump would be a new Hitler, I’m either completely underestimating his threat or you’re batshit fucking insane.

Skullgrid ,
@Skullgrid@lemmy.world avatar

what’s your opinion on project 2025 and its contents?

Realitaetsverlust ,

Dunno much about it, I’m not american, but at what I could find with a quick online search, it looks pretty awful. Looks nowhere near the control you’d need for a dictatorship.

OceanSoap ,

Not only is it terrible, it’s an actual threat to democracy.

I don’t know how anyone is surprised though. When you use words like “Nazi” and “existential threat” and “threat to our democracy” it can’t be a shock when someone tries to become a historic hero for taking out the supposed next Hitler, and people who buy into that propaganda language are going to cheer them on and want more of it. They’re frothing at the mouth, imagining they’re on the right side of history.

I get what the Dems are trying to do with pushing that language, but it really is playing with fire. It was a 50/50 chance that they could get him ineligible to run, alive or dead, and they’ve lost each bet.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

OceanSoap being loaded into the train car: “Ok guys, any minute now will be the prime opportunity to stop these fascist guys. Just remember to consider both sides, they might have a really good reason for taking us out to this isolated camp.”

AFaithfulNihilist ,
@AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world avatar

See they’re having us fill the whole back up again. This isn’t a mass grave. They’re just putting us to work! See creating jobs why complain?

OceanSoap ,

Picking good arguments from both candidates isn’t allowing one to walk all over you,.

Zink ,

This feels like some strained both-sidesing here.

Calling the traitorous self-serving felon that caused an actual attack on the government and the Democratic process “a threat to democracy” seems tame, honestly. And that’s not even getting into his promises to jail political opponents, be a dictator on day one, suspend the constitution, call the free press an enemy of the people, and claim absolute authority and absolute immunity.

But then that whole political group also seems convinced that a barely progressive status quo “let’s work together” administration is literally totalitarian tyranny.

Asyx ,

On top of that, if trump would have been killed, there is technically nothing stopping the US from postponing elections, coming up with an intermediate solution to have a functioning government without a D. president (like, no appointing of judges and such) and then have an election next year when the Republicans had enough time to find a new candidate.

If trump pushes through the things he said he’d do and what his supporters are supporting like project 2025, there’s a real chance that there are no actually democratic elections in 2028. And this is ignoring the fact that gerrymandering and the electoral college are already questionable and regularly abused by or benefit Republicans the most.

voldage ,

I see republican voters shooting republican candidates as pretty much reasonable outcome rather than some newly emergent threat to democracy. Trump made his image himself, it was him who decided to harass miniorities and brag about reading Mein Kampf often. It was him who made republican message extreme, provoked an insurrection, had all those criminal charges and appointed obviously corrupt judges. He groomed americans into feeling insecure and threatened and radicalized a lot of them. I think random depressed kids trying to suicide by shooting him is the least he should expect, especially seeing that USA has a gun cult focused around right to bear arms against threats to democracy. Also a child rapist, which alone is enough for millions of people to pull the trigger. You’re seriously blaming his bad image on anyone else?

angel ,

Trump made his image himself, it was him who decided to harass miniorities and brag about reading Mein Kampf often.

The absolute garbage that does be on the internet, honestly.

voldage ,

Right, sorry, it was his wife that outed him for having Hitler speeches book “My New Order” back in 1990, which he apparently kept in a cabinet next to his bed. In the interview he also admitted having a copy of Mein Kampf, though he never openly claimed to read that book often. When he quoted Hitler in 2023 he said it was just a coincidence. Which caused no one to feel uneasy, no one at all. His former chief of staff claimed that Trump praised Hitler for doing some good things, like rebuilding the economy.

So right, sorry, I mixed the “Mein Kampf” for “My New Order”, and it was his wife that outed that, he only confirmed.

Twelve20two ,

His victory as president of the US is a threat to democracy. He already attempted a coup in 2021

OceanSoap ,

I mean, he attempted a coup in the same way Biden sent that kid to shoot Trump a few days ago.

You know what’s more of a threat to democracy? Trying to imprison a political opponent.

Twelve20two ,

Do you have a source for Biden paying off that kid?

Also, Trump should serve time for the financial crimes he committed outside of being president. Him being in prison wouldn’t be that much of an issue for a lot of his fans

OceanSoap ,

Do you have a source for Trump paying off the j6 protesters?

The issue over his crimes are whether they’re actually federal crimes or not.

Twelve20two ,

I never said anything about him paying off people who took part in the failed coup

OceanSoap ,

I didn’t say anything about a payment either.

z00s ,

He himself said he would be a dictator on day one.

i.redd.it/i69jnt27a8gz.png

OceanSoap ,

Yeah, as a joke. Context matters. Like how I don’t think Biden meant he wanted some to shoot trump when he said “put a bullseye on him”.

z00s ,

Here’s your broader context, all direct quotes:

“We’re going to build a wall, and Mexico is going to pay for it”

“When the looting starts, the shooting starts”

“I will totally obliterate the deep state”

IT’S JUST A JOKE BRO, IT’S JUST A PRANK

zarkanian ,
@zarkanian@sh.itjust.works avatar

Were you asleep the first time he was in office? Read Project 2025. That’s what they plan on doing if he gets elected.

OceanSoap ,

I wasn’t. The economy was far better and we didn’t start any new wars.

I did read project 2025, but Trump has already said that’s not his aim or connect to him. He does have an agenda, but it’s not that one

HawlSera ,

Oh no, I wasn’t having mixed feelings, I was disappointed that someone took a shot at the king and missed.

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

Melania was disappointed by 2 inches once again.

BonesOfTheMoon ,

Woohoohoohoohoohoo.

drunkpostdisaster ,

I rather it never happened. But him surviving is the worst outcome.

HawlSera ,

Yeah… Surviving that basically won him the election.

DarkCloud , (edited )

Yeah… Surviving that basically won him the election.

Not if everyone making this assumption gets out and votes, rather than staying at home and assuming they’ve already lost. The left outnumber the right after all. Losing is a turnout issue.

clot27 ,
@clot27@lemm.ee avatar

Kinda crazy to think Biden can still pull this off. Furthermore, it happened in PA, a crucial state.

DarkCloud ,

You could run a cabbage, but if everyone votes for them they’ve pulled it off. Voting is the difference between winning and losing.

python ,

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    jsomae ,

    Without Trump, who do the republicans have? De Santis? Nah. Martyr means nothing if there’s no realistic second choice.

    (Otherwise, the CIA wouldn’t have bothered assassinating political candidates in south America)

    tocopherol ,
    @tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Not to mention numerous Black Panthers, civil rights leaders, many others killed. The state knows that assassination can work.

    drunkpostdisaster ,

    They are treating him like a martyr right now.

    Sam_Bass ,

    No mix here. Just resigned to the idea that we are not yet free

    SeattleRain ,

    This Rhino must be talking to liberals.

    nnjethro ,

    Yes, and the Republicans who miss when their party wasn’t loony tunes.

    SSJMarx ,

    So, basically liberals.

    EmpathicVagrant ,

    It’s the same picture.

    poorlytunedAstring ,

    Oh yeah, that’s right, I keep forgetting this is fashion commy territory and they use liberal as a slur like Republicans do with no self-awareness

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    You’re on Lemmy, outside of explicitly anti-communist spaces like Lemmy.world you’re going to find more leftists.

    Leftists referring to Liberals negatively is standard leftism, as Liberals support the Capitalist status quo and stand in the way of progress. The fact that Republicans are even further right than Liberals and use Lib as a slur for people less right wing does not mean leftists are without “self-awareness.”

    You could read theory if you want to, plenty of people would be willing to share tips and pointers, then you wouldn’t have to rely on edgeless snark.

    HowManyNimons ,

    Bah. They’re Republicans in name only.

    Junkhead ,

    no i wanted that fuckers head to blow up

    sharkfucker420 ,
    @sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

    So real

    Junkhead ,

    thank you sharkfucker420

    BaroqueInMind ,

    Either go do some marksmanship training and finally do something about it yourself for once in your pathetic life, or shut the fuck up about wishing other people dead on the internet because it’s not nice.

    Obligatory fuck that orange piece of shit I hope he loses and mopes back to his paradise Florida mansion to die an old man.

    Junkhead ,

    I know you dont have any friends or loved ones that value your life but i do and i have obligations so until the cities descend into full madness and chaos i have people that rely on me for support.

    So shut the fuck up before i take my marksman training to yours first before i start the war on conservation. I wish you dead as well fucker.

    Trashperson ,

    Anybody see the latest Masked Singer episode? Wowie zowie I tell ya.

    suction ,

    No mixed feelings, I’m absolutely devastated about how much harder saving the USA will be from today.

    supertrucker ,

    I’m getting a lot of Palpatine wannabe vibes from the left all of a sudden. Guess it’s a good thing Biden kinda looks like him now

    suction ,

    Biden doesn’t look like Palpatine at all

    supertrucker ,

    You say that, until we all find out much too late that him and Darth Cheney were playing us all along

    BeigeAgenda ,
    @BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca avatar

    Yeah, I guess the convicted felon is destined to expire on his golden throne while trying to push out a Big Mac.

    ComradePorkRoll ,

    Wouldn’t it have been hilarious if that’s what happened after the fact?

    Chainweasel ,

    No mixed feelings here, just heaps of disappointment.

    cmrn ,

    Pessimistically, I don’t see how the system gets better without full collapse.

    But wow imagine a few normal candidates running again. Imagine getting to vote for politics and not in a rule-breaking popularity contest.

    suction ,

    That’s a bit drama-queenish.

    We had a good thing before Trump ran for president and won.

    Once he’s gone things will go back to normal over time.

    kaffiene ,

    Trump is just the logical conclusion of the christo fascist takeover of the Republicans. It will be there when he’s gone

    suction ,

    I understand your position but I think you’re wrong. Fascists always, without exception, need a “charismatic” leader like the Nazis with Hitler or the Russians with Putin. There’s currently only Trump who can fill that role. It’s of course possible that another such person appears out of nowhere, but I don’t see anyone on their side. Trump was a TV star and tacky racist celeb (birthed) since the 80s. His brand isn’t new, he build it over a long time. Who do you think would fill his shoes if yesterday’s attempt had succeeded? There’s no one.

    kaffiene ,

    Raegan was a similar character previously. I don’t doubt they will arise again. Certainly, there are many Republicans with the same reactionary politics.

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    This is Great Man Theory. Trump would not be popular if his policies and stances weren’t popular, and there are plenty of replacements.

    suction ,

    Yet who is a better fit for that theory than Trump, from the perspective of his fans, at least?

    Cowbee , (edited )
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    That’s not what Great Man Theory is. Trump is an excellent example of why Great Man Theory is wrong. Great Man Theory just states that history is guided by influential figures, which is wrong. The Material Conditions of society determine what ideas dominate, and thus people appearing to be influential become popular.

    suction ,

    Oh someone took a semester of social sciences! Way to go, son!

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    What are you trying to do? Legitimately, what is your goal here? To say I don’t know what Great Man Theory actually is?

    suction ,

    You’re arguing whether the GM theory is right or wrong, I’m saying to Trump supporters, it doesn’t matter, he’s their “Great Man”, they’ve fallen for the idea that a Great Man will fix all their problems. Because they are stupid and believe in false ideals. That’s why I’m getting the impression you’re trying to show off how much you know instead of engaging with the actual topic. Do you need a pat on the back?

    Cowbee ,
    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

    You’re arguing whether the GM theory is right or wrong

    Not quite. I know it’s wrong, my argument is that your analysis of Trump is wrong because it assumes Great Man Theory is correct, ie Trump’s views will die with him and there couldn’t be a successor.

    I’m saying to Trump supporters, it doesn’t matter, he’s their “Great Man”, they’ve fallen for the idea that a Great Man will fix all their problems. Because they are stupid and believe in false ideals.

    This isn’t Great Man Theory on the part of Trump Supporters. Trump Supporters hold fascist views because of their material conditions, not because Trump convinced them to.

    That’s why I’m getting the impression you’re trying to show off how much you know instead of engaging with the actual topic. Do you need a pat on the back?

    No, I genuinely was making a point, attacking it for having an understood meaning undermines your position.

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