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Tar_alcaran , in Nuclear isn't perfect, but it is the best we have right now.

Hi, I work in waste handling, and I would like to tell you about dangerous materials and what we do with them.

There are whole hosts of chemicals that are extremely dangerous, but let’s stick with just cyanide, which comes from coal coking, steel making, gold mining and a dozen chemical synthesis processes.

Just like nuclear waste, there is no solution for this. We can’t make it go away, and unlike nuclear waste, it doesn’t get less dangerous with time. So, why isn’t anyone constantly bringing up cyanide waste when talking about gold or steel or Radiopharmaceuticals? Well, that’s because we already have a solution, just not “forever”.

Cyanide waste, and massive amounts of other hazardous materials, are simply stored in monitored facilities. Imagine a landfill wrapped in plastic and drainage, or a building or cellar with similar measures and someone just watches it. Forever. You can even do stuff like build a golfcourse on it, or malls, or whatever.

There are tens of thousands of these facilities worldwide, and nobody gives a solitary fuck about them. It’s a system that works fine, but the second someone suggests we do the same with nuclear waste, which is actually less dangerous than a great many types of chemical waste, people freak out about it not lasting forever.

EisFrei ,

www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxguides/toxguide-8.pdf

I didn’t know that before but it appears cyanide does have a half-life that is a fraction of nuclear waste.

That doesn’t make it or the other compounds less dangerous, of course.

Tar_alcaran ,

That’s uhh, not what that says. One of the two mentions of half life are your body converting cyanide into thiocyanate, which will kill you and depending on your last bowel movement, make your corpse into hazardous waste itself.

The other mention is hydrogen cyanide in air, which is lighter than air and will decompose back into cyanide eventually, scattering it over a large area. Which will technically make it go away from your site, but spreading toxic waste over the countryside is illegal for a reason.

EisFrei ,

Most cyanide in surface water will form hydrogen cyanide and evaporate.

As long as it has a surface to evaporate, it will degenerate.

Tar_alcaran , (edited )

Oh yeah, you could totally just leave it in a giant pool and ignore it. It’ll react, evaporate and eventually break down into cyanide again, rain down, subtly poison the area, react again, evaporate again, etc.

And that’s great for the owner of the big pool of cyanide, and very bad for everyone else. Stuff that evaporates doesn’t disappear, the cyanide doesn’t magically change into cookiedough. You’re just spreading it around more.

EisFrei ,

Hydrogen cyanide will turn into “cookie dough” in 1-5 years. Which is way shorter than “forever”.

The way you said it in your first comment made it seem longer lasting than radioactive waste. Which it isn’t according to the linked PDF. That is the only point I was trying to make.

nickwitha_k ,

… Hydrogen cyanide is literally what has been used to execute people in gas chambers and genocide during the Holocaust. The LC(Lo), the lowest recorded lethal concentration is 107ppm, resulting in death in 10 minutes. That’s, objectively, far more dangerous than the respective material that firefighters were exposed to at Chernobyl. You don’t want that in any appreciable quantity in the air around people that you want to continue living.

Valmond ,

Yeah but how is the Kremlin going to control us with their gas & oil if we have nuclear?

Checkmate uh pro democratic people I guess?

DadVolante ,
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They have more uranium than we do

veganpizza69 ,
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anachronist ,

As a friend once said “benzene is what anti-nuclear people think nuclear waste is.”

Tar_alcaran ,

I mean, spent fuel is actually quite lethal when not packaged, but you get something like 300-400MWh out of a kilo of fuel. And that’s significantly more than I’ll use in my lifetime.

I’d gladly keep a kilo of dry-casked spent fuel in my house. It’d make an excellent coffee table or something, if a bit hard to move. I would absolutely not put a lifetime supply of benzene anywhere near my house.

Edit: it would make a shitty coffee table. 1 kilo of uranium oxide is just under 100ml

YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH ,

The density of uranium always fucks with me. How can something that takes up so little volume weigh so much?

StupidBrotherInLaw ,

It’s thicc.

oo1 ,

phat nucleasss

uis ,
nondescripthandle ,

Cyanide is used extensively in precious metal recycling too. So even reclaiming resources has a harsh chemical cost. Meeting workers from there I was surprised to say the least about how ‘casually’ they work with Cyanide. Clearly they have safty protocall but nothing like what I imagined something like Cyanide would call for.

Tar_alcaran ,

In addition to hazardous materials regulations, I also do workplace safety, and this doesn’t surprise me at aaaaall. People get really casual around stuff that kills you slowly.

kaffiene ,

Curious to hear you say this. I live in NZ and cyanide waste is always raised as an objection to gold mining.

Tar_alcaran ,

An unfortunate reality is that while we CAN store things safely, that doesn’t mean they always will be.

ShortN0te , in Nuclear isn't perfect, but it is the best we have right now.

No it is not. If you calculate in the future money tax payers have to pay to keep the nuclear waste safe (for thousands of years) or the cost of a larger incident like Chernobyl or Fukushima which also has to be paid by the tax payers then the ‘cheap nuklear power’ is not so cheap as it looks like…

ZombiFrancis ,

The disasters like Chernobyl and Fukushima are symptoms of a greater issue: construction and maintenance of an extremely volatile and sensitive process reliant upon the integrity of infrastructure and quality of manpower.

Nuclear requires a stable society and economy flush with resources and education and little to no risk of political stability.

Those places are welcome to invest heavily into nuclear while CO2 concentrations build up as emmissions continue unabated.

corsicanguppy , in The British be like

Some day we’ll learn that memes aren’t rushed pre-T9 SMS messages from 1995. ‘ppl’? The nineties are over: evolve with the times!

Routhinator ,
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Hard agree. Sadly Twitter did nothing to help rid us of these short forms with its initial character limits.

saigot , (edited )

I think it’s more likely that ppl will simply become the more expected way to spell it. When was the last time you saw someone write out etcetera, and ASAP is common in all but the most formal of settings.

wasabi , in Nuclear isn't perfect, but it is the best we have right now.

Nuclear waste is still an unsolved problem that absolutely no one wants to touch with a ten foot pole. Also nuclear power is a pretty expensive method of power generation and can’t be insured, leaving all risk of disaster on the shoulders of society. To be clear: society will be pretty fucked when a nuclear disaster happens anyway.

It’s a lot better than coal, though.

Honytawk ,

Nuclear waste is a much smaller problem than most people think. The waste is very little and can be stored underground for eons without much risk.

Yes it exist for a long time, but one kilo of uranium produces as much energy as 16 ton coal, and leaves behind 47 grams of nuclear waste.

sushibowl ,

I could not find the 47 grams figure on the page you linked, where is that stated exactly?

ShortN0te ,

World Nuclear Association’s mission is to facilitate the growth of the nuclear sector by connecting players across the value chain,

I would not ca that trustworthy. There not even close to independent.

someguy3 , (edited )

Storage of nuclear waste is solved. It’s unbelievable that people say it’s not.

Edit here youtu.be/lhHHbgIy9jU

gnygnygny ,

Digging hole. Problem solved.

ShortN0te ,

You posted a 18 min Youtube video, sponsored or at least supported and sanctioned by a nuclear power plant operator.

At least point to the section of the video where the source of your claim is.

Slovene , in Nuclear isn't perfect, but it is the best we have right now.

It’s pronounced nookielurr.

spongeborgcubepants ,

And it’s not a noun

zakobjoa , in I hate this fucking Twitter account with burning passion
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It’s really stupid, because regardless of device or OS, the built in screencapture is faster. Apart from maybe some fringe cases of user impairment.

crazyminner , in Nuclear isn't perfect, but it is the best we have right now.

Freedom is solar/micro-wind with batteries.

AngryCommieKender ,

We literally can’t get rid of nuclear power totally. It produces isotopes that are essential to modern medicine.

Churbleyimyam , in The British be like

Purely from the point of view of a museum visitor it’s a unique and exceptional experience being able to see so much of the worlds history and culture in one place. But at the same time it takes away something that could be really special about travelling to another country because that’s the only place where these things are on display.

Slovene , in Just Want to Improve my Workplace

Maybe they’re bone conducting headphones.

unreachable ,
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Cowbee , in Just Want to Improve my Workplace
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Read Marx, it’s comforting.

cheese_greater ,

…Is it really?

Cowbee ,
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Yes, Marx makes it clear what’s wrong with Capitalism, why it cannot last forever, provides a philosophical framework for viewing any problem, conflict, or struggle, and shows how to move beyond our present dystopian state.

cheese_greater ,

What’s a good primer, Das Kapital? I don’t mean to be glib, like I suppose its better know where we are in the plot.

Where do you think we are in the plot btw? Like what stage are we at and whats next?

kamenlady ,
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late capitalism - they are just finding out how far they can further fuck us, after fucking us all over.

cheese_greater ,

What do you think that means for advanced highly developed 1st world nations with the extent of digital surveillance and centralized grids?

Like, how does everyone actually get off their phones and mobillize? Is French Revolution actually possible again?

RmDebArc_5 ,
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In a lot of cases revolutions get started by one thing: hunger. People will mostly be to scared to lose what they have, even if it’s little, but hungry (real hunger, not just “I’m hungry, let’s eat”) people won’t care, because they have nothing to lose.

JJROKCZ ,

Not until vast portions of the global economy fail and the residents of the 1st world start feeling the hunger and hardships the 3rd world has been feeling for a long time

Cowbee , (edited )
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Jumping straight into Capital is like going spelunking with no tools or training, it’s Marx’s masterwork but it’s dense and complicated for those not versed in Marxism already, and it isn’t targetting the average person, but economists and scholars. That’s not to say you should never read it, just hold off, for now.

A few great primers for Marxism in general are Why Socialism? by Albert Einstein, The Principles of Communism by Friederich Engels, and How Marxism Works by Chris Harman, in the order I recommend reading them.

Marx did write for the common worker in several texts. Wage Labor and Capital and Value, Price and Profit are short and concise works on Marx’s critique of Capitalism. After that, I’d wrap around to Engels again for Socialism: Utopian and Scientific to understand the history of Socialist efforts and how Marxism solves the problems they have faced, and touches on Dialectical Materialism, the philosophical framework of Marxism. Add on Critique of the Gotha Programme to see Marx critique a weak Socialist program and advocate for a better method, then swing over to Manifesto of the Communist Party to tie everything by Marx and Engels together and spur revolutionary fervor.

Finally, I would make sure to read Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism by Lenin. This does not really get into Marxism-Leninism, this is Lenin as a Marxist examining how Capitalism has changed over time to exploit the global south via exporting machinery and predatory global bank loans, absolutely critical for understanding modern Capitalism. If you want to get into Marxism-Leninism, add on The State and Revolution by Lenin as well, but you do not need to at this point.

We are in the Age of Imperialism, specifically its decay. Over time, the global south is becoming increasingly revolutionary and are throwing off the IMF and the US. Eventually this will destabilize the US, the world’s current largest Imperialist power, and give rise to the possibility of a Socialist movement within the US as commodities become more expensive and Material Conditions weaken. This will be due to a decreasing subsidization of cost of living in the US off the labor of workers in the Global South.

Let me know if you have any questions!

refurbishedrefurbisher ,

Marxism is the one thing that has given me hope for the future when everything now constantly looks so bleak.

Richard Wolff is who got me into Marxism personally.

LordWiggle , in This pisses me off so much
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Every movement with a gun sounds like there’s a loose screw in it (it always clicks). Also it usually has a clip of 300+ bullets.

Every mouse or keyboard input into a computer, every loading bar, every screen popping up makes screaching sounds. Except when having a failing DVD drive or broken hard disk I’ve never heard any computer making these sounds.

A secret tracking or listening device has a blinking red light and beeps.

Every car, always with airconditioning, drives with open windows because of the window reflections. Even during rain, extreme heat or highly contagious zombies trying to bite you through the open window.

97porcentofracassado ,

Don’t forget the loud sound when they turn on lights in a theater.

BCsven ,

I worked at a place that had lights like that, took forever for them to reach peak illumination

chiliedogg ,

I like the bleep-boo sounds of the command prompt scrolling by on computers.

ElderWendigo ,

That one actually has some basis in reality though. My terminal still dings at me, it’s just that having it ding too much is annoying and out of fashion now. Does no one else remember PCs piezoelectric beeping, even before you upgraded to an actual soundcard?

nomous ,

I actually used to open them up and snip the wires, you don’t get to hear it POST but that never really became an issue.

shneancy ,

the sound design of the real world is rather boring and often unappealing. Sound designers on movies are gods of those audiotary universes, they will paint it however they want

r0ertel ,

I was behind two cars on the freeway, one in lane 1 and one in lane 3. They both decided to merge into the center lane at the same time. I remember the sound distinctly because it was so different than I expected. It sounded like two large, empty cardboard boxes hitting each other. No screeching tires or glass breaking sound (both windshields and side windows broke, but remained intact). It was very unexciting.

shneancy ,

yea precisely. Sound design is less about how it really sounds, but more about how you think it should sound + some flair to make it a show.

Fun fact! sometimes in movies when there’s a big fire sound designers will put animal roars into the fire sounds to add an extra layer of fear you don’t even realise your body is going to react to

jenny_ball ,
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the gun sound they always use is the sound of a colt single action revolver which has a very distinct set of clicks.

Jank ,

I like it when they get real broad with it and picking up a single gun sounds more like clattering multiple guns together.

Infynis , in Just Want to Improve my Workplace
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Me, in every Teams meeting

jubilationtcornpone ,

“Can we get a show show of hands just to confirm we’re ready to move forward?”

Me Everyone, who wasn’t listening and doesn’t have a clue what they were just talking about: ✋

FarFarAway , in It's like the Bacon game, but funnier

Maggots, Michael. You’re eating maggots. How do they taste? You piece of shit.

FarFarAway , in It's like the Bacon game, but funnier

Maggots, Michael. You’re eating maggots. How do they taste? You piece of shit.

Agent641 , in Also "parasite".

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