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whotookkarl , in new wolf
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cerement , in How do you create a communist revolution?
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but I don’t have a PhD in Hegelian philosophy

eldavi , in STOP CENSORORING ME TANKIES

i suspect that most of them are reddit refugees since they push so hard for an echo chamber against viewpoints they don’t like

Cowbee ,
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Not only that, but Reddit refugees too idealistic for Reddit, but without niche interests guiding them to a niche instance, plus a desire to not even be federated with Marxist instances.

yogthos , (edited )
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Communists acknowledge the necessity of censoring harmful ideas and effectively communicate their rationale. Meanwhile, liberals criticize communists for such practices while simultaneously advocating for the suppression of dissenting views. This exposes their hypocritical stance on free speech and open dialogue.

Facebones ,

On the various posts in this current flood of “Communists should leave the communist instance for my own comfort” nonsense, even the anti-.ml crowd can’t provide good examples of how anyone who looks at them funny gets banned. Nobody has modlog receipts and almost every example THEY provide of communists oppressing them or whatever is THEM saying dumb nothings like “I can’t hear you over Tienanmen Square” or cussing up a storm while the .ml person is like “Here’s a book about XYZ”

I’m sure people have been perhaps hastily moderated on .ml, but probably not any more than any other instance, and if so they aren’t the ones rallying to de-ML .ml.

yogthos ,
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I think a lot of this is basically culture shock of people realizing that their views aren’t dominant on the platform and having their deeply held biases questioned.

ssm , (edited ) in STOP CENSORORING ME TANKIES
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Blocked lemmy.world after this nonsense, I was already sick of how closely that instance mirrored reddit; including the witch hunting and moderation double-standards (banning piracy and allowing floods of corporate capitalist news propaganda spam is fine, but deleting misinformation and whitewashing of US history is moderator overreach). Had a few communities there I liked, but I can live without them.

Alaskaball OP ,
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What kind of communities?

ssm ,
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some tiny hyper-specific communities like c/DeepRockGalactic, as well as c/AssholeDesign (there’s a c/AssholeDesign on .ml, but it’s as dead as a doorknob); also enjoyed c/shitposting from time to time

Alaskaball OP ,
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yeah those are pretty niche. though we do have a sort of shitposting called ‘badposting’ but that unto itself is niche as well

Facebones ,

That’s really the kicker for me with those people. The louder they shriek about being moderated for outright dickish behavior, the faster they’d ban you on their own turf for politely sharing a source that counters their narrative.

I’ve agreed with you basically since the beginning of my lemmy experience about .world. I think that’s just where most Reddit refugees landed (including myself initially) so that’s why they have such a high concentration of people wanting this Reddit-adjacent neolib singular authority and want so strongly to defederate from anything remotely left of Biden -

Or even go as far as the post I assume OP is based off of and screech about free speech by arguing how the MLs who BUILT LEMMY should abandon their .ML domain to make the instance less ML. Cause that’s how free speech works. >.>

brbposting , in It is altruism I promise it's not because you're a walking wallet haha yes

I can see a small silver lining here.

  • Queer folx (at least on the Fediverse) are too smart to fall for it.
  • Conservatives are dumb enough to get upset.

Public, profit-motivated veneers of support are at least not public displays of homophobia.

A society where 100% of its e.g. banking sector pretends to care about pride month should normalize gay lifestyles more than a society where that sector is openly hostile to them. If someone raises a kid who sees pride flags on every building, even if their parents suck those shallow displays may subconsciously still have a positive effect at the end of the day.

I’d rather have genuine support but the fake crap is at least better than hate?

SubArcticTundra ,
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This is a good point

sensiblepuffin ,
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I 100% agree with you, but I don’t think the alternative is hate (for most corporations, anyway…); I think the actual attitude for most big corps is indifference. They just don’t give a shit about any group other than potential customers.

davidagain ,

But better public support for a month than erasure.

sensiblepuffin ,
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Very true; I don’t oppose the idea of a Pride Month. I just respond to corporate allyship with the same way the corps regard any marginalized group - indifference.

Annoyed_Crabby ,

Good point. Facade alter people perspective far quicker than waiting for systemic change, and once perspective change, systemic change will follow. Better to have acceptance plaster everywhere, even if it’s hollow or propaganda-ish, than hate.

AlligatorBlizzard ,

Public, profit-motivated veneers of support are at least not public displays of homophobia.

Have you seen Target’s pride month collection this year? I’d say that it counts as a public display of homophobia, it’s so bad. (Also they aren’t crediting their few artists this year.)

brbposting ,
umbrella , in Maybe we can get good IPv6 support now
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ipv6 cgnat is evil

qaz OP ,

I meant “ISP’s use CGNAT over IPv6” as ISP’s use CGNAT instead of IPv6 to solve IPv4 address limit issues, not as using IPv6 through CGNAT, although some do use IPv6 through CGNAT for backwards compatibility with IPv4 only devices.

umbrella ,
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oh i get what you mean. i can understand using ipv4 cgnat to solve these issues.

mine thankfully uses it by default but allows advanced users to switch to a normal ip if they want to.

interdimensionalmeme ,

If it makes tracking hard to impossible then its BASED The end to end principle died in 1994, I’m sad too that we can’t all be one happy family, but let it go.

smileyhead ,

If it makes tracking hard to impossible then its BASED

But it does not make tracking impossible and only a little harder. From privacy standpoint it’s like using manditory VPN hosted by your carrier. And as we know, you must trust your VPN provider to not log.

And is it worth it? I would much more prefer to have real IP address and be able to host things in my house, including a full speed I2P node that would really make “tracing impossible”. Someone needs to host such nodes.

assassinatedbyCIA , in the debt

Countries can print money. If the debt is denominated in your own currency you will never not be able to pay them.

karashta ,

This.

More people need to understand that the debt of a sovereign nation isn’t analogous to that of a household.

Public sector debt is private sector surplus.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

The current American debt is more than the current GDP. That would be fine, if we were paying it down, but it’s growing faster than ever.

It would also be fine if it was healthy debt. Debt taken to improve infrastructure in meaningful ways, improve education, shit, even a war debt to create an old school tributary state (economically speaking).

And it would all be fine if everyone in the room were adults, and there wasn’t a significant portion of America actively and willfully trying to cause governmental collapse.

The American citizen, on average, will spend $37,000 in the next decade to pay the interest on that debt, $12.4 trillion in total.

All without universal healthcare mind you. Or, on average, a reasonable retirement age.

You need to start asking yourself whether the people who keep assuring you not to worry your pretty little head about the APR on your loans, and they are ultimately partly your loans as a citizen, are actually acting in your interest.

volodya_ilich ,

Your comment stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of public institutions and how money works.

It doesn’t matter that the debt is higher than the GDP if it’s debt in the currency that the state creates. Japan has a debt of 250% of the GDP and it’s always going to pay for it. Why? Because it’s in Yen, and the Japanese public sector is the ONLY institution in the world capable of creating Yen. If they wanted, the Japanese central bank could quite literally perform 100 keystrokes on a keyboard, and repay all debt early tomorrow, at a cost of exactly 0 yen to the taxpayer.

Taxes aren’t the way a state funds itself. Again, the state creates its own currency, why would it need tax collection to get that currency if it can create it at will at a keyboard’s stroke? Taxes serve many purposes, such as forcing people to use your currency in the private sector (they will need that currency to pay for the taxes so it’s the one they will use), such as disincentivizing certain behaviours (tax on tobacco for example), or such as reducing inequality (progressive income taxes), or also importantly, removing money from the private sector to reduce or prevent inflation. But the one thing taxes don’t do is funding the state budget, since the state’s budget is unlimited in theory. There are practical limits, but availability of currency really isn’t one of them.

The American citizen won’t spend a single dollar paying back state debt, in fact it’s exactly the opposite. The state creates the currency with which it pays back the debt, and it’s private citizens and corporations who the state owes the interest rate to. If you buy a bond for $1000 at an interest rate or 3%, next year you’ll have $1030. The state, through debt, literally creates money for the private sector. It makes people and companies wealthier. Taxes make people and companies poorer, but taxes and debt are completely unrelated to one another, since the state really doesn’t need taxes to pay the debt.

I fully agree with your analysis of the poor usage of the state budget and people not getting the welfare state they deserve by right, but that’s not something that has to do with debt, it has to do with the government representatives not acting for the benefit of the majority but a select elite of capitalist owners. Debt is purely a financial tool that serves purposes such as creating money, or controlling the interest rates of the country so that people and companies will take more or fewer loans, which has an effect in the economy.

karashta ,

Thank you for typing up the reply I hadn’t gotten to yet.

You the real MVP

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Your misunderstandings stem from being gullible, lol.

ThE aMeRiCan PeOPlE wOnT sPeND a DImE

volodya_ilich ,

Always, my friend <3

sockenklaus ,
@sockenklaus@sh.itjust.works avatar

Public sector debt is private sector surplus.

Yes! This is the very essence of our monetary system that nobody seems to understand.

karashta ,

The other person who responded to me made a very all written post but it gets a core assumption completely wrong.

They seemed to think that tax revenue in some way has to happen for spending to happen. That’s why they think GDP has anything to do with our ability to service debt. But the federal government creates money ex nihilo.

Money has to be created before it can be destroyed through taxation. Spending and back stopping creation of money by private banks through the reserve system comes first. You can’t destroy something you haven’t created.

It’s sad, really. Economists and politicians have blinded everyone with what I think of as “the money delusion”.

It doesn’t matter if the money can be “gathered up” to be spent on things we need. We do not rely on the money of the wealthy. What matters is actual, real resources and services we can provide.

The national “debt” is a misnomer. That’s the amount of dollars left in circulation that have not been destroyed through taxation, as well as the “dollars” that pay interest which we call bonds.

I’m glad to see at least a handful of other people who understand. Fight the good fight, fellow human.

sockenklaus ,
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They seemed to think that tax revenue in some way has to happen for spending to happen.

Noo!

But the federal government creates money ex nihilo.

Yes!

Money has to be created before it can be destroyed through taxation.

Yes!!

We do not rely on the money of the wealthy. What matters is actual, real resources and services we can provide.

Yes, yes and yes!! ❤️

Thanks for your concise explanation of MMT! I wouldn’t be able to phrase it this well. ❤️

CableMonster ,

I get your point, but they cant just “print” currency so we could actually not be able to pay when people/countries stop buying the bonds or lose faith in the system.

sockenklaus ,
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No, that is not true. That states sell bonds is a self-imposed rule.

As long as a state collects its taxes in its own currency there will be demand for that currency.

CableMonster ,

What happens when they run out of people to sell bonds to and they run out of money to tax?

sockenklaus ,
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Then stop selling bonds and start investing directly (build schools, repair bridges, pay your employees, etc.).

Countries don’t have to take the detour through state bonds because they can make money out of thin air. State bonds are a self-imposed and there’s no law of nature that mandates using them.

CableMonster ,

How do they make money out of thin air?

sockenklaus ,
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Serious question? Money today is nothing more than a number in an account. When a country needs more of its own currency, it can increase it’s account by that amount.

CableMonster ,

No they cant, that is illegal. You could say they will change the law so that they can do that, but that is not possible (in america) at this time.

assassinatedbyCIA ,

Sooooo it’s a self imposed limitation, just like u/sockenklaus said?

CableMonster ,

Kind of, but if the US allows itself to just print dollars directly its directly going to turn to toilet paper.

sockenklaus ,
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Why would that happen? There’s no proof that printing money (while considering the boundaries of the real resources like available work force) automatically leads to hyperinflation.

CableMonster ,

I guess there is no proof, but thats not really possible to prove. But what we can see is how much inflation the US has gotten just under the Fed, and then look at examples in the past like germany that used printing of the mark to pay of debts.

sockenklaus ,
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Okay, but even if the USA can’t change the law regarding states bonds, it is virtually impossible that people stop buying US states bonds since the US Dollar is kinda like the most established currency in the world.

So your argument is completely theoretical.

CableMonster ,

I hear what you are saying, but that is changing, america is losing its strangle hold on the world. That became most evident with what we tried to do with Russia after their invasion and the cracks in our system are starting to become more obvious. Unless you think that the US will be the worlds reserve currency forever, there will be a time when it falls.

sockenklaus ,
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I see what you mean, but this is not about having a strangle hold on the world or being the world’s reserve currency. This is about having your own currency and collecting taxes in this currency. As long as a country collects taxes in its own currency there will be demand for that currency.

AA5B ,

But you do have to pay that shit back … forever. And printing money leads to currency devaluation, makes everything else more expensive

Even if you don’t think the debt itself is unmanageable, you start having problems like

assassinatedbyCIA ,

The economist ewww. The limits to how much money you can print is defined by the productive capacity of your country. If you print more money to increase productive capacity then it’s generally not a problem. The debt is simply an accounting fiction at that point.

humorlessrepost , in the debt

If you had 34 trillion in debt and a centuries-long history of making on-time payments, you’d have a perfect credit score.

disguy_ovahea , (edited )

Credit rating also depends on credit to debt ratio. You want to keep it below 35%, so you would need a credit line of $100T or more to have a great rating.

humorlessrepost , (edited )

I think sovereign debt would work like an AmEx Platimum with “no fixed limit”, which makes the algorithm ignore utilization.

jubilationtcornpone ,

“Bankers hate him! Get an 850 credit score and dictate the terms and interest rate of your own debt using this one simple trick.”

Artyom ,

The US govt basically has a perfect credit score. They have almost infinite payment history and almost infinite available credit.

damnedfurry ,

Yeah, this is just people not understanding how credit scores work, part , lol

volodya_ilich ,

Don’t forget being the only issuer of the currency you get indebted in. If I could get indebted in a currency I create myself, believe me I would

JasonDJ ,

Articles and posts like this really just exist for conservatives to shout that we need to stop federal spending and cut out “unimportant” things like Dept of Education, as described in Project 2025.

The problem is that debt is good. It enables us to pay for infrastructure projects and services. It doesn’t work like a household budget…not on the scale of international economies…because money “in the bank” is money that’s not in circulation.

When money is not in circulation, it’s not being used to pay for goods and services…it’s just…sitting there being hoarded.

You all complain about Musk hoarding a few hundred billions. Imagine if the debt were in the opposite direction and the government had $34T sitting in the bank doing nothing.

And anyone can buy Treasury debt. In fact, last year it was an AMAZING return on investment for anyone that bought into it and holds into the debt for a few years. One of the safest places anybody could put money to earn a return (behind a HYSA at FDIC insured banks).

volodya_ilich ,

Fully agreed, the whole “Debt bad! Deficit evil!” trope is just neoliberal propaganda against public expenditure, which translates into a weakening of the welfare state

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
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When money is not in circulation, it’s not being used to pay for goods and services…it’s just…sitting there being hoarded.

This is why I think the velocity of money should be a key economic indicator. Money moving around and doing work is what makes an economy better for everyone. When it starts to pool in the economy it slows down and benefits only a few.

This is another thing I learned from “Making Money”

Szyler ,

What about staying at 0? Why is debt better than no debt AND no surplus?

InputZero ,

I’m not a financial expert, so someone who is please step in and correct anything that I say is wrong. I need to learn too.

It’s because the government’s debt is also a surplus. Government debt isn’t like personal debt because the government debt is mostly through selling bonds that the government issues. Most of that debt is owned by American citizens, in one way or another, who buy those bonds. Most of that $34 trillion is money the government owes it’s people, or at least the Americans who hold those bonds.

It’s not really money you owe but it’s money that is owed to you. Well actually the billionaire class who can actually afford to buy these bonds but hey, that’s Capitalism baby.

gravitas_deficiency , (edited )

Hey remember that one time where the country’s credit rating got downgraded due to political idiocy?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

WallEx , in I don't remember this Sesame Street episode

No, its “one ocean, Ahahahaha … Two oceans, ahahahaha” if I remember correctly ^^

linkhidalgogato , in Governments hate what they cannot control

lol this place is nothing but libs, i mean u see blue maga people everywhere, im sure they are very confident that this community reinforces the ameriKKKan genocide machine not opposes it.

grandel ,

You know there are more countries than the USA.

linkhidalgogato ,

this is a meme about amerikkka banning website because they expose amarican backed or committed warcrimes and genocides, what the fuck are u talking about.

SaltyIceteaMaker , in tell the US to stop supplying bombs to China!!!

I don’t even know what this is supposed to say

culprit OP ,
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Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt

SaltyIceteaMaker ,

If you qoute someone at least give credit

culprit OP ,
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quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/17/remain-silent/

there’s so many to chose from though

davel ,
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Won’t somebody please think of dead people’s egos!

SaltyIceteaMaker ,

Well depending on who said it the perception can drastically change

Cheskaz , in Some shit happened.

I always forget everything that’s happened in the fortnight since I last saw her

papalonian ,

If you forget what happened in Fortnite you should be able to check your replays

BonesOfTheMoon OP ,

I make notes in my phone and rehearse in my head.

smileyhead , in Maybe we can get good IPv6 support now

Privacy fans, choose wisely:

  • have CGNAT on carrier side and add little tiny more work to track people
  • have public IP, making it easier to selfhost, to build P2P networks, to use anonymizing network like I2P, to host Tor nodes, to reach out to friend without central approved big tech cloud, that you can still hide with your own NAT or by using VPN
Flummoxed , in I don't remember this Sesame Street episode

No, like seriously, what’s going on here? Is the Count cos playing Johnny Depp or something??

ummthatguy ,
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Flummoxed ,

Thank you. That is clearly the connection lost in my brain. Always appreciate you, guy!

ummthatguy ,
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dudinax ,

cos playing Gary Oldman

Cysioland , in favoring meme, please
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