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db2 ,

Web search on the start menu.

šŸ¤®

adam_y ,
@adam_y@lemmy.world avatar

Web in the search, AI in the search, personal assistant in your files, things in your things that you donā€™t want, didnā€™t ask for and are struggling to extract.

rwhitisissle ,

things in your things that you donā€™t want, didnā€™t ask for and are struggling to extract.

We have a word for these. Itā€™s called ā€œparasites.ā€

GregorGizeh , (edited )

I wouldnā€™t mind that as an optional function, having a single global search field that brings up whatever you are looking for seems really convenient on paper.

Of course not the way msoft does it, where you never get the thing you want unless you are being really precise (like searching for appdata only yielding web results until you specifically type %APPDATA%).

errer ,

Also if I could pick my search engine rather than getting one of the shittiest ones rammed down my throat

Rustmilian OP ,
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

Luckily on KDE plasma this is just a GUI setting.

GoosLife ,

Its even worse than that. It is completely unpredictable and just does what it want. When I type in ā€œViā€, the first choice is Visual Studio. It will stay on Visual Studio until I have typed in ā€œVisual Studiā€. But if Iā€™m a fast typer, and I type in the entirety of ā€œVisual Studioā€, it opens Visual Studio Code.

So the fastest way to open up Code is to type ā€œVSCā€. This doesnā€™t work with ā€œVSā€ for Visual Studio.

I have to type out ā€œSpotā€ specifically to open Spotify. Typing out Spotify opens edge.

There are also files and programs it cannot find despite having been installed for years, even though Iā€™ve MANUALLY added the paths to the searched directories.

If anyone of you is on Windows for whatever reason and want your mind blown, try downloading a little program called Everything. It can literally find every single program on your computer as fast as you can type. And it looks up exactly what you type in. It also supports wildcard characters etc. This is the kind of behavior I expect from my computer. Sure, make a shiny frontend for casual users who donā€™t need to see every single file on their system, but please, why do I have to go through third parties to get this experience on an OS that my company paid for, when I can get the same experience out of the box on any free Linux distro?

BilboBargains ,

Protip

pufferfisherpowder ,

Powertoys Run is really good as well, and developed by MS which is just en extra layer of absurdism considering how bad the start menu search is. I mapped powertoys Run to the windows key and have not looked at the start menu since, literally.

CleoTheWizard ,
@CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world avatar

I honestly thought I was the only one that has those problems. I think the thing that gets me is when you install a program, the installer closes, you donā€™t know where in gods name it just installed to, so you type the name of the program and windows is like ā€œsorry never heard of itā€, so you go to the programs list and itā€™s right there.

What you mentioned is particularly frustrating because I too will type full program names and it often switches on the very last letter. Itā€™s even more frustrating that the user canā€™t manipulate the search by typing a few letters, realizing those letters are shared by two programs, and then typing a few more letters to lead it to your program without moving to the mouse. Instead it acts like youā€™ve added no info and recommends the same thing.

Also if you go to uninstall a program by right clicking it in start or search and instead of uninstalling it presents you with a list of programs which you then have to go find the program again in and then hit uninstall again. Been that way for 8 years now.

gedaliyah ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

For about a year or two, windows had an amazing search from the menu that used a blazing fast index search to search files, directories, and file contents locally and almost instantaneously. It was a glorious thing.

I cannot think of a case in which a user would not need to distinguish between web search and file search (other than the convenience of a single click). I do use a unified search on my phone that includes files, apps, and contacts, and if itā€™s not in any of those, it will launch a web search using the query. That is more than adequate. If it were performing the web search in real time, I wouldnā€™t be able to easily access apps and contacts, and the results would slow and change while typing.

GregorGizeh ,

I remember that, pretty sure it was in win7 or early win10, before they crammed cortana in there and you had to start jumping through hoops to disable all the garbage they added.

As for the search results, Iā€™m not saying the user shouldnā€™t be able to distinguish them; in fact the way I imagine it is that the results are grouped by category and in a user determined order of priority.

For the loading times I have nothing, that isnt really avoidable with my idea.

Perhaps with some visual trickery that fades or slides the results in over a second or two, ending on the web results. It would give the web search part time to run behind the scenes, seemingly appearing as quickly as the others.

gedaliyah ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

Part of the issue with web results is that it would generally update as you type which is just a bad fit for a general menu search. I personally donā€™t see a place for it. If you are searching the web, youā€™re going to open the browser anyway. Maybe some users would use it to navigate directly to common websites, sort of like bookmarks? I donā€™t know.

Rustmilian OP ,
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

Thatā€™s why KDE Plasma just makes the searches shortcuts in a similar manner to the !bang feature of duckduckgo. Though itā€™d be nice if the used ! in the shortcuts alies by default. !ddg is just more reliable than ddg.

joyjoy ,

math in start menu is also powered by bing.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

LOL just another way to mine data and extract value from you, rather than providing it.

Matriks404 ,

Start menu šŸ¤®

Honytawk ,

You mean easily accessible shortcut folder?

What is wrong with that?

Matriks404 ,

Everything. I donā€™t have time for accessing it and searching for what I am looking for.

RobotZap10000 ,

Candy Crush and Ad-ridden Solitaire

Suavevillain ,
@Suavevillain@lemmy.world avatar

One thing Linux needs to do is change the perception of how hard everything is compared to Windows. Some things are extremely less difficult on Linux.

GregorGizeh ,

Definitely this. I have been eyeballing Linux for years, always intimidated by the CLI and the notion that everything you try to do on Linux requires user research and work first.

Now I finally made the switch a couple days ago, and while it took a bit of tinkering and googling here and there I am amazed how simple, even way simpler than on windows, the experience for a an average user is, particularly with the very beginner friendly distro I went with (bazzite/gnome).

It just works right out the box for 90% of whatever I want to do, configuring it is simply flipping some switches in the software and extension apps. Feels more like setting up a new smartphone than a PC. I didnā€™t even have to mess with the CLI all that much, perhaps half a dozen times so far, and each time i followed specific steps in a guide or tutorial, or tried out some basic things like file search.

Suavevillain ,
@Suavevillain@lemmy.world avatar

It is good to send new users to something like Gnome they can branch out. I think Cosmic will be a great fit as well. Outside of updates, you donā€™t have to do too much in the CLI really. But long as you learn some of the basics how to get around and maybe make an alias. I think that will get you by just fine on Linux. I do think people should get users to try less Windows like experiences on Linux. Because a Windows like UI will just make them miss Windows.

GregorGizeh ,

I do think people should get users to try less Windows like experiences on Linux. Because a Windows like UI will just make them miss Windows.

That is actually the exact reason I went with gnome instead of KDE myself; I find it much easier to learn a new system than to adjust habits that have formed for years. I will probably eventually switch to KDE when i feel fully comfortable, because it is supposedly slightly better in performance and far more customizable.

smowtenshi ,
@smowtenshi@lemmy.world avatar

Iā€™ve been using KDE Plasma for 5 years now and Iā€™ve never missed Windows UI.

bitwolf ,

I always show people single click printer setups.

Linux (and sometimes Android) is the only platform printers actually work reliably.

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

You have to click? I turn on my networked printer and every Linux machine on my network sets it up whether I wanted them to or not.

bitwolf ,

Which printer?

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

An Epson XP-830. Full disclosure: When it was brand new it was a severe pain in the ass because it wasnā€™t supported by CUPS yet, I had to go out to Epsonā€™s website and download a driver in .rpm fromat and install it with alien. Bought it a couple months before I abandoned Windows for Linux and had to make it work. After about a year CUPS suddenly knew what to do with it and itā€™s Just Workedā„¢ ever since.

whome ,

My printer worked out of the box under Windows no driver or anything needed. Maybe I got lucky.

w2tpmf ,

Both OS are hard if you donā€™t know how to use them.

Both OS are easy if you know how to use them.

Linuxā€™s problem is fragmentation. Thereā€™s not a single OS that many people are familiar with like Windows. Instead thereā€™s hundreds of different distros that all function in a variety of different ways. Even if a person learns to do something on Mint or Ubuntu, they will be completely lost trying to do the same thing on Fedora or Arch.

Rustmilian OP , (edited )
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

hundreds of different distros

And out of those ā€œhundredsā€ only a handful of them are actually popular and progressing innovationā€¦

As someone whoā€™s distro hopped across a wide verity of distros, the fundamentals are more less the same across all of them. Just go with a popular distro with good documentation and youā€™ll be fine. If youā€™ve learned enough from mint to feel comfortable tackling Arch Linux, then the documention (e.g. ArchWiki) will be your strongest asset.

w2tpmf ,

Good documentation is great to have. Hereā€™s the thing though. If you need documentation to use an OSā€¦ That just proves that it really is harder for people to use.

Mint and Windows both share the ability to pick it up and use it for the majority of what most people do. Arch is like the textbook example of having to learn a bunch in order to use Linux.

Rustmilian OP ,
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

You forgot the entire point of Arch Linux, it was never meant for newbies, bud.

ulterno ,
@ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

Arch is the easy way, when you compare it to Debian Sid.

kuberoot ,

I think Arch is meant for people who want to learn the software - so that you can also choose, control, customize, diagnose, and fix the software!

That said, archwiki is still a great resource on other distros for when something does go wrong, or when itā€™s not obvious how to do something, particularly when messing with experimental or server stuff.

cows_are_underrated ,

The Arch wiki is one of the main reasons I use Arch/Arch based Distros. Its so insanely good and after you learned some of the basic stuff and what certain terms mean its a very good resource for doing stuff.

baggins ,

I have used Windows since I was a child and I still need ā€œdocumentationā€ to do routine things, because they hide stuff 8 levels deep inside an obscure settings window that requires an arcane ritual to access.

dustyData ,

Iā€™d argue that thereā€™s like 4 ways that 90% of distros work like and even they are extremely similar to each other. You got Fedora, Debian, Arch, and whatever Gentoo users do when they are in the dark in the basement. The rest are niche and weird stuff that not even Linux hardcore fans know all about. Similarly thereā€™s only two desktop things that matter, GTK or QT. Everything else is us nerds nick-picking.

Ok, thereā€™s also nixOS and the new wave of atomic monolithic containerized whatever distros, but they are like, super new and the resulting system is indistinguishable for the end used from the other 4 main.

Ozone6363 ,

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    Rustmilian OP ,
    @Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

    Imagine being this unironically toxicā€¦ in a meme community.

    Manzas ,

    I am convinced you breathe that gas that broke the ozone layer.

    Adanisi ,
    @Adanisi@lemmy.zip avatar

    Yeah, sure, we like to promote it because itā€™sā€¦ harder??

    smackjack ,

    Problem is is that is that too many people insist on doing things the Windows way and they get frustrated because of it. For example, instead of going to the software center, they choose to download their programs from a website, even though thatā€™s not how youā€™re supposed to do it most of the time. Theyā€™ll also spend hours trying to get Windows only programs to run, when there are alternatives available that work just as well.

    cows_are_underrated ,

    Thatā€™s absolutely true. I made the same mistakes and I got absolutely mad.

    Jakeroxs ,

    I still donā€™t fully know how to install rpm files lmao, thatā€™s how I learned about Apt back on linux mint, donā€™t remember what I was trying to install as it was like 15 years ago. Deb files were nice because they did work like a windows user would expect.

    cows_are_underrated ,

    I donā€™t even know what rpm files are xD. I personally havent figured out how to make use of a tar.gz file.

    Jakeroxs ,

    Woops I did actually mean tar.gz files lmao

    smackjack ,

    A tar file is similar to a ZIP file. The easiest way to uncompress them is by using your file manager and right clicking.

    cows_are_underrated ,

    I know, but since Programms often ship as tar.gz I still have no fucking clue on how to finally install a Programm from it.

    Jakeroxs ,

    Right, the few times I used tar.gz it was basically just a portable app, which isnā€™t how I think about ā€œinstallingā€ programs usually.

    smackjack , (edited )

    Letā€™s use Tor Browser as an example since thatā€™s one of the programs that typically gets installed with a tarball. Once youā€™ve downloaded and extracted the tarball, youā€™ll want to navigate to the extracted files. You can do this in the terminal using CD commands, but I think itā€™s easier and a little more intuitive to just use your file manager and navigate to the folder that way. Once youā€™re in the correct folder, youā€™ll want to right click on an empty space and select ā€œopen and terminal.ā€ Now youā€™ll have a terminal open and it will already be in the correct directory. From here youā€™ll want to run the ā€œstart-tor-browser.desktopā€ script. To do this, simply type ./start-tor-browser.desktop and youā€™ll be able to follow along from there.

    Running programs from a Tar image typically involves running a script. You just have to change the name of the script to match whatever they have in the directory. Auto complete is your friend here. You donā€™t have to actually type the entire name of the script, you only need to type the first few letters and then hit tab.

    cows_are_underrated ,

    Thx

    UsernameIsTooLon ,

    Using Linux isnā€™t hard. Switching to Linux is hard.

    Allero ,

    You think youā€™re powerful? now try to enable bing results in Linux search

    Thcdenton ,

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/4d48c64d-e612-4077-96da-75e7d08361e1.jpeg

    Rustmilian OP , (edited )
    @Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

    Thatā€™s literally the easiest thing.

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/8a91ca3b-2d6d-44b3-b8bb-7c5ca983c72f.png

    Allero ,

    Lol Interesting

    exu ,

    Of course KDE supports thatā€¦

    PoolloverNathan ,

    LiNuX uSeR iNsTaLlInG A BrOwSeR haha

    yeah uhā€¦

    • sudo apt install firefox
    • sudo xbps-install firefox
    • sudo pacman -Syu firefox
    • nix-env -iA firefox
    overcast5348 ,

    Itā€™s been 8+ years since I last used Ubuntu on my laptop. I faced massive issues with staying on the latest version of Firefox because apt had a much older version, and installing using the gui installer wouldnā€™t replace the apt version etc etc. Probably a PEBKAC issueā€¦

    But, I do want to know- is this not an issue any more? Will apt install the latest (or almost latest) version of Firefox? Can I update it from the inbuilt update tool in Firefox?

    alvendam ,

    Can I update it from the inbuilt update tool in Firefox?

    Universally regarded as a bad idea on Ubuntu based distros as far as my research goes.

    Probably a PEBKAC issueā€¦

    Staying on the OTB repos in LTS distros and then complaining about software being slow to update is like staying on the OTB mirror, and then complaining that your download speeds suck.

    Iā€™m a Linux noob through and trough, use Glorious Mint, but likeā€¦ How to get a newer version of VLC, than distributed by upstream is probably the first thing I figured out how to do.

    cows_are_underrated ,

    Can I update it from the inbuilt update tool in Firefox?

    Universally regarded as a bad idea on Ubuntu based distros as far as my research goes.

    Why?

    alvendam ,

    Dunno, but in every forum Iā€™ve looked, people say not to use it, but let the updates go through the package manager. Sometimes even on threats of FUBARing your system. Could be that all these people are giving old info thatā€™s not true, but I never tried it - donā€™t wanna go on the forums and start the thread with ā€œI explicitly did what people say not to. How fix?ā€

    Rustmilian OP , (edited )
    @Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

    The reason why is because of dependency hell and general packaging conflicts that could occur. You can go with the tar, snap, appimage or flatpak. If you do decide to use the system level package from a 3rd party, just be aware of the risks and be careful. The issue lay within the difference in standards, the usual target for these companies is Debian using the Debian packaging guidelines, while Ubuntu has their own, Ubuntu and Debian also have different release cycles which can lead to conflict with certain packages.
    Perhaps, if youā€™re needs arenā€™t met maybe moving to a semi-rolling or rolling distro is best.

    Edit : typos

    alvendam ,

    Oh, that makes sense, thank you. Iā€™m really happy with mint. Pretty sure switching to the nightly repos got me most of what I need, for the rest thereā€™s PPAs. Rolling release sounds tempting sometimes, trying out Plasma on a distro that supports it is also tempting, but so far I canā€™t be bothered. Mint seems to just work. :D

    overcast5348 ,

    I donā€™t know why you are being an ass to me. I literally admitted that my lack of skill was the issue right at the beginning.

    And then people wonder why noobs donā€™t want to bother with Linux.

    ulterno ,
    @ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

    When you choose a distro, you generally choose to follow what the maintainers give you as the ā€œlatestā€.
    Or you get snap/flatpak/AppImage.

    I, personally, would go with AppImage, probably because I once made some myself and liked them.

    xkforce ,

    Not unless you use the nightly repository.

    Skates ,

    Ahahahah imagine writing a short story to install a browser

    DrGamerPhD ,

    its four words

    ulterno ,
    @ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

    its four words

    By the time you reach writing 4 words on Windows, youā€™'l have enough mental exhaustion for it to be equivalent to a short story.

    mightyfoolish ,

    Could be three. Just make your only account the root user.

    cygon ,

    Make it two: emerge firefox(Gentoo users only)

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    emerge

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/f7dfddf1-cb9b-4212-a5b4-f32d2663f876.jpeg

    dezmd ,
    @dezmd@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah, totally.

    Just imagine trying to do this with Windows Powershell, without a package manager like chocolatey to make it simple like linuxā€¦

    
<span style="color:#323232;">$workdir = "c:installer"
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">If (Test-Path -Path $workdir -PathType Container)
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">{ Write-Host "$workdir already exists" -ForegroundColor Red}
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">ELSE
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">{ New-Item -Path $workdir  -ItemType directory }
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">$source = "https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-latest&os=win64&lang=en-US"
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">$destination = "$workdirfirefox.exe"
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">if (Get-Command 'Invoke-Webrequest')
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">{
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">     Invoke-WebRequest $source -OutFile $destination
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">}
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">else
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">{
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    $WebClient = New-Object System.Net.WebClient
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    $webclient.DownloadFile($source, $destination)
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">}
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Start-Process -FilePath "$workdirfirefox.exe" -ArgumentList "/S"
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Start-Sleep -s 35
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">rm -Force $workdir/firefox*
</span>
    cows_are_underrated ,

    sudo pacman -S firefox is also enough. -Syu is for updating.

    Petter1 ,

    yay firefox

    dream_weasel ,

    Bro I think you got too many package managers in your setup. Prob this is gonna cause conflicts.

    Rustmilian OP ,
    @Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

    paru -S firefox

    therealjcdenton ,

    Thatā€™s even more complicated than half the stuff normal users on Linux do

    soulsource ,
    @soulsource@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    I have been using Linux for more than 15 years and would consider myself a semi-advanced user, but that thing in the screenshot - it scares me.

    Honytawk ,

    It is nothing but opening regedit, going to the path described in the text, and adding a variable with a certain name and value.

    It can even be done by a single powershell command line.

    Iā€™m starting to think Linux users like yourself arenā€™t as technologically capable as you guys claim you are.

    Rustmilian OP ,
    @Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

    Why do that when you can just use a GUI?
    KDE plasma 6 has a GUI setting for the equivalent feature.

    Jakeroxs ,

    Registry editor is a gui tho

    Rustmilian OP ,
    @Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

    A terrible one thatā€™s basically a weird file browser for binary data and crap.

    Jakeroxs ,

    True, but one could say the same about terminal in Linux lol, I know itā€™s gotten a lot better, but I remember many times having to edit archaic settings via terminal commands because of weird driver issues, donā€™t even get me started on trying to fix GRUB entries lol

    Rustmilian OP , (edited )
    @Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

    The registry is worse. They maliciously hide basic settings and leave you to figure it out without any documentation.
    The terminal is actually consistent, Grub entries are consistent and have documentation, editing plain text is way better than manipulating binary data with a jank tool.
    I guarantee that most Windows users, including the techy type, had no clue that the feature described in my post was even possible or existed. Point is, this is not a system level setting, itā€™s a basic setting that can easily be done with a simple GUI checkbox/button/switch just as KDE plasma has done. Windowā€™s hiding it, not only inside the registry, but even hiding it from the registry as an unmarked option with 0 documention, is utterly ridiculous.

    Jakeroxs , (edited )

    Is maliciously hiding it any different functionally for an end user compared to having to look up the setting/command needed to modify a setting?

    I am a techy windows/Linux user and I just have used winaero tweaker to disable all the junk (since back on win 7)

    Im glad KDE plasma and Linux in general have been making strides at having more easily accessible options

    I will add, I agree with your point in general, just donā€™t think it holds much weight for normies (or even intermediate users) because of the end user experience being functionally the same in many circumstances.

    Rustmilian OP , (edited )
    @Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes, it is functionally different. Because of man, -h/ā€“help,https://github.com/dbrgn/tealdeer, documentation, consistency, etc.
    The terminal is a consistent and predictable tool that you are given every needed resource to able to learn and use. To find out what a command does is easy and you donā€™t need internet to do it. Plus, the terminal is way more versatile and extensible.
    The entire point of the terminal is to empower the user and give a consistent interference to manipulate low-level and high-level settings, features and applications. While the entire point of the registry is to limit & obscure the accessibly of options Microsoft doesnā€™t want you to be able to touch or know about. Nor is it even consistent for that matter, with stuff shuffling around, resetting and being removed during updates. My post is a prime example, they donā€™t want you to be able to disable Bing search because they make money from it, exactly the same reason they actively try preventing you from removing edge.

    Moorshou ,

    Spread the word! Linux is easy to use and for everyone!

    • A linux mint user
    mhague ,

    The other day I was trying to disable Ubuntu Pro stuff and the way to do it reminded me of Windows. Once I get my media backed up Iā€™m switching to another distro, just not sure what one yet.

    Viper_NZ ,

    I threw Ubuntu 24.04 in a VM itā€™s been a few years since Iā€™ve used it.

    I was unpleasantly surprised.

    Petter1 ,

    You seem to me like a fedora or mint person šŸ˜ like in the sense that I think youā€™d like them

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    I agree that this is bullshit and Linux is better. But as someone with a Windows work computer, this was a huge help.

    the_crotch ,

    What if I told you you can create and set a registry entry with a single line of powershell

    uis ,

    You can install gentoo with a single line of bash

    Rustmilian OP ,
    @Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

    What if I told you Iā€™d rather bash my skull in than use powershell.

    the_crotch ,

    Thatā€™s ok too. If youā€™re not comfortable in the cli you can switch to a more gui focused windows distro. Most of the same functionality is there.

    PainInTheAES , 
    
<span style="color:#323232;">Invoke-Command -Sick-Burn $user
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Write-Output "Nice"
</span>
    panicnow ,

    Iā€™ve moved to WinPE for its immutability.

    decivex ,

    Now thatā€™s just uncalled for.

    jose1324 ,

    Powershells great tho

    Honytawk ,

    You can run a batch file too with your skull, although I do not recommend.

    baggins ,

    Imagine not having all your system settings in plain text files šŸ˜¬

    dezmd ,
    @dezmd@lemmy.world avatar

    What if I told you you can make a backup of a config file and edit a single line in a conf file, all with a single line of bash?

    sudo cp config.conf config.conf.bak.$(date +ā€œ%Y%m%d%H%M%Sā€) && sed -i ā€˜s/^(CONFIG_NAMEs*=s*).*/1new_value/ā€™ config.conf

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/03ed4a25-9d7f-4905-9d6b-ac341927e0ae.gif

    Black616Angel ,

    Funny enough, the regedit of my work PC was already there with the value set (seems like I already did that a few weeks ago)ā€¦

    Startmenu is still slower than my personal Linux machine.

    piracysails ,

    Slower than Windows? No hate, that is impressive. What are you running?

    Rustmilian OP ,
    @Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

    Dyslexia moment

    piracysails ,

    Ah I see, yes, probablyā€¦

    Pringles ,

    I just tested it on my work laptop and itā€™s ridiculous how much faster search is now. Gonna propose to implement it company wide on workstations. I mean, I would do so in a heartbeat, but I still want our CIO to sign off on it.

    For servers though, Iā€™m creating the policy first thing in the morning. The slow search has been the bane of my existence for years (although admittedly I couldā€™ve googled it many times and never did, so thatā€™s on me).

    Steamymoomilk ,

    Ha nerds Imagine using the terminal!

    Wait. Wait. Nevermind

    1000015939

    (Me rn)

    Sotuanduso ,

    Youā€™re not using a command line web browser? I wouldnā€™t either.

    Peter1986C ,
    @Peter1986C@lemmings.world avatar

    Piece of advice: add -qv to your emerge command to let Portage show the things you need to know but stay quiet otherwise. Way less gets shown on the terminal window and on some systems it might slightly speed up the process.

    Steamymoomilk ,

    Thanks for the info! On a seprate note gentoo package managment is so magical! You get to choose whats built and all the amazing features portage has like distcc and ccache. Its so much fun playing with this kinda stuff!

    Honytawk ,

    Unlike us power users, many people like the web search.

    Still the fact that this can be easily disabled with a single registry key is an advantage of Windows, not a detriment.

    maeries ,

    Itā€™s only easy if you know the exact key and finding that isnā€™t easy at all. And also Microsoft likes to brake these fixes every couple of updates

    Railing5132 ,

    The first sentence: ā€œsomehow, different than Linuxā€ :D

    DrDominate ,
    @DrDominate@lemmy.world avatar

    Most Linux users can search for a package they need to uninstall by keyword. You canā€™t really do the same with Regedit. The key and path in the post are something even fewer people can find because regedit is so cryptic.

    Rustmilian OP ,
    @Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

    Thereā€™s a clear GUI option for this in KDE Plasma, no registry or terminal needed.

    Ultraviolet ,

    Itā€™s the fact that it could just be a checkbox in search settings, but they make it as hidden as humanly possible, not only is it in the registry, but itā€™s not an existing flag you can change, itā€™s a flag you have to know the exact name of to add. It only takes a minute if youā€™re the type of person to be here commenting on a Linux meme on Lemmy, but to the average user, the option almost doesnā€™t exist.

    Ozone6363 ,

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    MehBlah ,

    Looks like we found our new pivot man.

    rockhandle ,
    @rockhandle@lemm.ee avatar

    Editing the registry is also potentially dangerous and I have had to reinstall windows more than once because of it.

    The fact that windows does not provide a safe configuration environment within which to make such changes, is most definitely a detriment.

    kuneho ,
    @kuneho@lemmy.world avatar

    I mean, fucking with the registry was always a thing in windows

    MonkderDritte ,

    Speeding Windows 7 desktop up by changing animation duration of taskbar & co. from 400 ms to less.

    kuneho ,
    @kuneho@lemmy.world avatar

    I do the same on Android

    Rustmilian OP ,
    @Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

    Unlocking dev settings is first thing I do on Android.

    soulsource ,
    @soulsource@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    Android has become such an unusable mess otherwiseā€¦

    I mean, you canā€™t even find the option to allow sideloading on my Android TV box without first enabling developer modeā€¦

    Quexotic ,

    Not always.

    In other news, I feel old.

    MacNCheezus ,
    @MacNCheezus@lemmy.today avatar

    Technically correct. The registry was introduced in Windows 95. But ever since then, fucking with it has been a thing.

    Quexotic ,

    I just admitted to remembering working with Windows 3.11 for networkingā€¦

    Also, being technically correct is the best kind of correct Iā€™ll have you know ;)

    kuneho ,
    @kuneho@lemmy.world avatar

    Struggling with INI and SYS files are also kinda the same, but you are right, it was a far stretch

    jj4211 ,

    Well, sure, but this has a user hostile motive behind it.

    Microsoft could have offered a right-click/disable internet search to facilitate. However, they wanted people to just give up and soak in start-menu driven internet action, so they buried the option in an obscure registry key.

    The key is the start menu search to internet really makes the experience suck, as you try to type something on local system and some internet result gets prioritized, and by nature of the internet search, the internet search is unpredictable, so the search you do every day that usually opens up what you expect suddenly starts going to some internet site in edge.

    kuneho ,
    @kuneho@lemmy.world avatar

    donā€™t get me wrong, by no means this isnā€™t shitty, it is.

    Iā€™m just saying Windows too always had its tinkering with the registry or in text files, you just normally did that on the GUI or used EDIT.

    the_artic_one ,

    Voidtools ā€œEverythingā€ is how we mimic a fraction of your power thank-you-very-much.

    Shadowedcross ,

    There are literally dozens of us Everything users.

    stebo02 ,
    @stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    please elaborate what this is about?

    derpgon ,

    It is a file search engine that replaces your regular earth in Windows.

    www.voidtools.com

    Quexotic , (edited )

    The everything search engine is flexible and fully indexed file search engine that you can use to find any file anywhere on your network or local storage, instantly, and only a little bit slower than instantly on a very slow old machine.

    stebo02 ,
    @stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    sounds impressive

    Quexotic ,

    Itā€™s what Windows search could have been. I donā€™t know what kind of black magic theyā€™ve got under the hood there but I think itā€™s really just indexing and watching the file system for changes so that it can update the index in real time. This obviously doesnā€™t work for a network resources that change frequently but still, itā€™s very nice when you donā€™t know where the hell anything is.

    Lojcs ,

    Everything is still far superior than plasma search and I canā€™t imagine that gnome/other DEs get close to it neither. Fsearch is close but it needs to do a complete resacn every time you use it instead of scanning in the background like everything

    loudWaterEnjoyer ,

    Why are we even comparing the terminal with registry? What is registry mimicking from Linux?

    uis ,

    /etc

    jj4211 ,

    In this case, Iā€™d say itā€™s less about how the registry works, and more about how deliberately obnoxious Microsoft makes the experience for the sake of their agenda.

    Sure if you have to deal with the registry at all, itā€™s ā€œhardā€ but thatā€™s casting stones from a glass house as dconf can be just as hard, and then you have the odd occasion where someone suggests dbus-send, which certainly doesnā€™t have room to mock registry handling as hard. The point is that most people never have to touch dconf/dbus directly to do what they want, and in Microsoft some things are deliberately obscure due to user hostile intentions.

    Honytawk ,

    Deliberately obnoxious that can be disabled by a single registry edit?

    eRac ,

    A single registry edit to a key that doesnā€™t exist because they wanted to obscure that it was possible.

    jj4211 ,

    For the ā€œdonā€™t careā€ computer user? absolutely. Given that the key doesnā€™t exist at all by default, means itā€™s not discoverable even for someone that might think to randomly peruse the registry hierarchy. Even if you know it, itā€™s a typically tedious registry path. Based on Microsoftā€™s track record, the fact you know the registry key today doesnā€™t mean that key wonā€™t change behaviors or move somewhere else randomly, or start having to be paired with some other registry key.

    Contrast with Plasma, where the same capability is possible, and I just right clicked the button to check out settings and could easily figure out without help or internet search how to enable/disable internet results in the search. Further when I enabled it, the non-internet search stayed blazing fast. Then disabled it again because, well, why would I want that. I did however add browser tab search since I bothered to look because that is handy, just removed history and web search.

    gedaliyah ,
    @gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

    Wait, this is actually a good tip lol

    gedaliyah ,
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    https://tesseract.dubvee.org/image_proxy/lemmy.world/pictrs/image/95412f3e-8dbd-4ba3-95f9-ecb73673a715.png?fallback=true

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