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force ,

Much of the obsession internet people have over ““privacy”” is just a feel-good-about-themselves thing, rather than actually protecting themselves from their data being collected and used. If you’re posting on the internet, yes that includes Lemmy, there’s almost no doubt that any government and world-destroying corporation would have easy access to everything about you in an instant, even if you go out of your way to try to use services “focused on privacy”. You aren’t protecting yourself from anything by not using Google/Microsoft/etc. products.

There is no “chipping away bit-by-bit” when it comes to this, it’s pretty much meaningless unless you’re nearly completely off the grid, to the point where you don’t even use modern technology. The worst you’re gonna do otherwise is fuck up targetted ads, but that’s not very hard to do considering Google apparently thought I was a pregnant woman looking for leather boots and beauty products when I still had ads on YouTube.

I wish people would admit it’s really not about their privacy. Say it’s because FOSS services are better (because they are), say it’s so you don’t get spam from shitty sites you gave your email to, say it’s so you can fit in in your niche online communities, whatever. But 99.99% of people in “privacy” communities haven’t even put a dent in the data being collected from them by large entities, hell most people in these communities think VPNs will protect them from anything at all other than their parents or boss not noticing them being on porn sites (VPNs can help with privacy, but only under specific conditions that most people aren’t meeting)…

LovePoson ,
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That’s just demonstrably false

recarsion ,

“But why would they care about MY data, I don’t do anything special”

Anyone outside of tech when I even passingly mention privacy

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    ThePyroPython ,

    What’s the counter to that sentence then?

    Every time I try to explain why this is a dumb sentence using the door lock analogy I always get rebuffed by it.

    glassware ,

    All the answers you got show why this conversation goes badly. No one can come up with an actual problem that data collection causes, it’s all silly comparisons to giving people your credit card number or shitting in front of them.

    For me, having my data collected is like having CCTV cameras in stores. Yeah, technically someone is filming everything I do. Yeah it would be bad if a private individual was filming me for nefarious reasons. But no one actually uses that data for anything bad, and it doesn’t actually cause any problems.

    All that happens is I get more relevant ads.

    Smoogs ,

    Do YOU have anything to hide??

    “Yea my bank information, passwords, personal identity, identity of all my loved ones. But hey, if you hate having security and love being blackmailed and hate everyone who you have ever made contact in your life and wish to make their life hell then you do you and stay far the fuck away from me. We don’t know each other and we never will”

    Ashe ,

    It’s even people in tech. I work with someone who will gladly take tech claims at face value, and call me a conspiracy theorist on data collection. I said I didn’t want a smart thermostat because it increases our attack surface and he immediately snapped back with “oh China is gonna get us”. Like… No these things have had CVEs already and will again

    mlg ,
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    I think the funniest part of this meme is every company bar Amazon, Discord (both not in market yet), and TikTok (Chinese) were confirmed to be a part of NSA’s PRISM

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/21bc5095-cd19-431a-8724-6dc0ae6ec767.png

    lseif ,

    graphic design is the NSA’s passion

    d_k_bo ,

    I recently got a confused look when I said that I pay for my email provider (3€/mo, but 1€/mo would also work).

    Many people don’t realize that operating an email server creates cost and they pay with letting Google/Yahoo/… read and analyze their communication.

    JameUwU ,

    I self host mine :P

    HouseWolf ,

    ‘There’s no point fighting it’ or ‘Privacy is already dead’

    The arguments that make my eye twitch, It’s such a defeatist outlook but seems like the most common nowadays.

    Evkob ,
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    Everyone says this kind of stuff about any and every social issue. It drives me insane, do people not realize that it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy? If everyone I heard say “there’s no point fighting it” got together and fought it, they’d easily win.

    TORFdot0 ,

    There is a 3rd argument which I think is a bit more valid in “I value the service I receive in exchange for my personal data”

    Using the internet without an adblocker, noscript, and whatever else is really nasty. But even if you aren’t on these platforms, marketers are still building profiles on you. Honestly we need data privacy legislation and some real talk about marketing and the costs of using the internet as a society.

    FuglyDuck ,
    @FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

    That argument pisses me off.

    “I don’t mind so fuck you.”

    If you want to use those services, that’s your business. But I don’t use those services; they still keep my data.

    CbtB ,

    Severely lacking in car company logos.

    brbposting ,

    Oh, those aren’t gaping Patrick’s mouth…

    tory ,

    Using the term “normies” paints you as having a superiority complex, which isn’t the best look.

    Gigan ,
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    Everyone is a normie for some things

    Evkob ,
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    I appreciate you calling out the use of the term “normie”. Communities that frequently use such terms always end up with an unhealthy “us vs them” mentality.

    Like I’m not surprised people don’t react well to someone bringing up privacy issues if said person starts the conversation with the mentality of “how do I enlighten this normie?”

    Restaldt ,

    How do I reeeach theese Normies

    https://lemm.ee/pictrs/image/09cde7ec-40a2-428c-af37-954766aeee55.webp

    alyth ,

    Really? I just interpreted the use of normie here as “layperson” or “average user” and thought it was completely harmless.

    MxM111 ,

    Yes, it means layperson, but with derogatory cense. It is like using the n-word to describe black people (though not as extreme). If you mean average user, just say average user, unless you really mean to use derogatory term, that is.

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