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Blaster_M , in Minecraft will now require Java 21 and a 64Bit OS, as of 24w14a

I guess that one person running on a 2013 2GB Bay Trail Atom tablet will finally have to upgrade.

Chewy7324 , in Minecraft will now require Java 21 and a 64Bit OS, as of 24w14a

After 15 to 20 years of 64bit supporting systems being sold, I don’t think it’s an issue to drop 32bit support. Even if someone wants to use such an old pc for any reason, it should be fine to run an older version of Minecraft. There’s still MC 1.8 servers around, and they’ll likely continue to exist for many years to come.

ahoneybun , in Stop Killing Games is a new campaign to stop developers making games unplayable
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I remember getting C&C 4 and was playing at my grandma’s place on my own in the campaign then I lost Internet and it threw me into the main menu. I stopped playing that day since that’s bullshit.

AngryCommieKender ,

segmentnext.com/command-and-conquer-4-tiberian-tw…

Probably not helpful to you, but there’s a patch if anyone else needs it

sic_semper_tyrannis , in Looking for feedback on a future gaming build.

You might have problems with the Realtek NIC. Look for a board with Intel networking

mox , (edited )

That was good advice until somewhat recently, but Intel’s i225-v and i226-v ethernet chips are garbage (extraordinarily high rate of malfunctioning silicon) and they are unfortunately common on motherboards. You might end up with a good one, but it’s a gamble. Probably best to avoid them.

My board has Realtek 2.5gbit ethernet, and it’s working very well.

SGNL OP ,

Hmm, I went with the mobo cause I wanted the Nuvoton I/O Controller since I'd read that was more likely to have sensor support with Linux.

Was having a hard time finding them since I could only find the info by driving into support .pdfs but I could look around more.

Dremor , (edited )
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It is also a possibility to get a MB without WiFi and add an add-on pcie board. Like that it is possible to upgrade that part too.

Edit : Bonus point if you take one with removable wifi chip, like that one, as you can upgrade for cheaper (buy a $30 laptop card and swap it on the add-on card, and you are good to go), and reduce e-waste.

Keegen , in Looking for feedback on a future gaming build.

Looks good but I personally would switch the CPU to a Ryzen 5 7600x and go for an RX6800xt or RX7800xt instead. Unless the games you play are heavy on the CPU usage you are likely to get way more mileage from a better GPU than the 3D cache and 2 extra cores. You can always buy whatever the latest 3D AM5 chip will be in the future when you feel the need to upgrade, or a used 7800x3D for a much lower price.

SGNL OP ,

I actually really liked that idea, thank you.

mox , (edited )

If you’re planning to upgrade to a higher-end CPU later, and if your case and RAM dimensions allow it, I wonder if it would make sense to get a CPU cooler with two fin stacks. That way, you wouldn’t have to replace it when upgrade time comes.

(AMD recommends liquid cooling for some of their recent CPUs, but I did a test that showed a dual-tower Noctua air cooler performing roughly as well as an Arctic 420mm liquid cooler on a 7950X3D, so that should be sufficient for any of their current desktop models.)

If price is the limiting factor, maybe consider one of the newer dual-tower coolers from other brands that have been getting good reviews, and replace the included fans with Noctua fans.

ProdigalFrog OP , in Stop Killing Games is a new campaign to stop developers making games unplayable
TWeaK ,

www.stopkillinggames.com

There are direct government petitions for the United Kingdom, Canada, and Australia.

cai ,

...and, if you actually owned The Crew (20 million people did), even outside of France, the French regulator accepts complaints from international customers. Which is super unusual, and very valuable to the campaign...

SturgiesYrFase ,
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The Canadian and UK ones aren’t live yet

Arbiter , in Linux share on Steam bounces back to nearly 2% for March 2024

the year of the Linux desktop is now

Dreyns ,

Yeah emphasis on desktop… Laptop can be tricky

knexcar ,

I agree, I haven’t experienced the stereotypical “WiFi doesn’t work” (except for a college network), but I have had issues with screen brightness not working (though seems to be fixed in newer versions), and issues with the Nvidia graphics card that I can’t just swap out with an AMD because it’s a laptop and I don’t want to buy a whole new one.

Opisek ,

No idea why you’re being downvoted. I wish I could daily-drive Linux on my laptop, but that would come at the cost of slashed battery life, permanently on keyboard backlight, no more fingerprint sensor, issues with speakers and so on. Even after years of honourable enthusiasts trying to reverse-engineer the Windows drivers, it’s just still not there. Laptops will take a while to follow suite, but Linux really does need to take a larger portion of the market before manufacturers start being interested in Linux support.

And before I also get downvoted, yes you can get a 10 year old ThinkPad and happily install Linux on it, but please realize that not all people want to limit themselves in their choice of hardware and it’s the software that should adapt to the hardware, not the other way around.

Dreyns ,

Yes. Just yes ahah

I switched to linux on my laptop i had to do 4 reinstall to get my nvidia gpu to work and as of late my speaker arent recognised anymore, despite reinstaling pulse and alsa. One of my informatitian friend that has a linux laptop had gpu issue too, the laptop at work need frequent overseeing by the it to work properly etc etc…

I love linux and I truly think we NEED to get our hands back on our tech, and understand better the technology we use, but yeah… If you really need your laptop to be fully operational quickly and you’re not tech savvy well think twice…

Freestylesno ,

It’s still coming, I have tried to switch using my desktop but still have. Needed to swap back to windows for stability.

Illecors ,

That’s a very ironic sentence :)

TheGrandNagus , (edited )

For stability? A missing feature or software you need I get, but stability? Which distro/DE are you using? Please don’t say you’re running Gentoo and some crazy TWM setup or something like that lol

Stability to me was one of the biggest reasons to use Linux - it does exactly what I expect it to do, never breaks, updates never break shit.

metaldream ,

LOL never beaks. Most Linux distros are chock full of bugs that the end user has to work around

TheGrandNagus , (edited )

I’ve not had a single breakage in the past ~4 years I’ve been on Fedora Workstation, despite me often moving to the beta channel. Pretty nice for an up-to-date distro.

Granted, I’ve also been on some less stable distros/DEs (in my case, it used to be Manjaro’s KDE version). Perhaps yours is similar, since you claim to have extreme stability problems?

I cannot say the same for Windows, where things randomly stop working, I still occasionally get bluescreens, it shits the bed when I change hardware, etc. the last time I booted into Windows my audio stopped working entirely, and no matter how many times I reinstalled audio drivers or did a system restore, nothing would fix it. I ended up having to buy an external DAC.

gingernate ,

There’s a lot of reasons to stay on windows, never heard of stability being one haha. It’s bsod city over there lol

CosmicCleric ,
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I haven’t seen that on Fedora, in the years that I’ve been using it.

Freestylesno ,

I’m was talking about game stability. This is a gaming related topic right? Linux is stable but games had some issues.

Truthfully nothing major that stopped me from playing but I had to mess with proton in steam from time to time. Most recently the Last of Us crashes on start, not sure why it was fine previously. Also, there were some games anti cheat did not work and I needed to play in Windows.

Also, I have consistently had issues streaming to my steam Deck. Windows isn’t perfect either but it’s more likely to work the with windows. Sure maybe it’s my Nvidia GPU, but saying switch to amd does make my setup more stable.

HobbitFoot ,

And all it cost was having a store sell DRM software.

chronicledmonocle ,

To be fair, as far as DRM is concerned Steam is pretty mild and game developers gotta eat.

Nibodhika ,

They also sell non-DRM software. And most importantly they invest the money they make from selling those games into developing Linux so it’s better for everyone, I’ll take a corporation that uses my money to make things better for myself than one that sells “only” DRM free" games (when it’s convenient, because GoG also sells DRMd games in case you didn’t knew)

warm ,

Year of the Steam Deck. Linux still not ready for mainstream desktop usage :(

gamermanh ,
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Linux still not ready for mainstream desktop usage

Lul

GoodEye8 ,

I don’t get why people find that funny, he’s absolutely right. It’s gotten better but Linux is still requiring a lot more tinkering compared to Windows, and mainstream doesn’t do tinkering. Let me give some examples as well.

I have windows and fedora dual booted. I also have 4 physical drives in the PC, 1 for windows, 1 for Linux and then 2 separate drives to keep windows data and Linux data. If I do a clean install of windows and want to play steam games all I need to do is let windows update run, install steam, direct steam to access the downloaded games on my secondary drive and the rest is “Steam magic”. If I do a clean install of Fedora and I want to play Steam I have to do system update, then manually install graphics drivers, then install steam, then mount the secondary drive then direct to steam to the secondary drive and the rest is “Steam magic”. If I don’t want to do the last two steps again, because Fedora doesn’t automount secondary drives, I need to also set up automounting by messing with the terminal and confog files. Honestly, you lost the mainstream gamer the moment they had to manually install graphics card drivers (because you need to do it through a terminal).

Another less important example, but one I still found funny, is when I wanted to make a new distro installer. I’ve used balena etcher to flash my stick on Windows, but I didn’t want to reboot into It Windows so I installed it on Fedora, downloaded the image I wanted to flash, started balena and added the file. I get some header error. I didn’t feel like troubleshooting so I reboot into Windows, download the exact same image, started balena and added the file. No errors and I could flash without any issues. Same file and (in theory) same software but it works on Windows and doesn’t work on Linux.

And of course there’s the Nvidia cards sucking thing, which is not at all suitable for mainstream considering almost 80% of steam users are using Nvidia cards. I get that’s almost entirely Nvidias fault but it’s still an issue with Linux. When your entire system black screens as KDE plasma is booting up even an above average user is not going to know how to troubleshoot that.

gamermanh ,
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Linux is still requiring a lot more tinkering compared to Windows

As a long time windows user who’s just got a side install of Mint for funnies until.a faster drive I can dedicate to it arrives: lol, no. That’s why people are laughing at them.

I use fedora and have to…

Pick a less annoying distro then, babe. I installed Steam in one click (during OS setup actually) and then logged in, enabled proton, and started using it with the games on an external drive. Literally easier than windows cuz Mint installed it with the OS and I didn’t have to go to Steams website.

nVidia cards sucking thing

My 2080TI has worked flawlessly on Mint without any tinkering. Used the Nvidia driver manager thing and boom, running games. They even run at a bigger fps on average (about 10%).

Sounds like you used a specific distro and think those problems exist with every version of Linux. They do not, and there’s a reason why Mint is most often the recommended distro for those unwilling to tinker

And I’m not even gonna pretend that Mint is perfect, it’s not! For example my sound card just doesn’t work in it despite the OS being aware of literally every aspect of it. But the issues I’ve had daily driving it have been LESS than daily driving windows 10 even after said win 10 install has already had years of customization and tweaking done to it.

GoodEye8 ,

You do realize that just kicks the ball down to a different problem that prevents from mainstream use, picking the wrong distro?

That said I’ll give mint a go. EDIT. Right, no HDR support not even in sight, that’s why I went with Nobara and Fedora in the first place because KDE is at least trying. But at least it reminded me that it’s not just the tinkering that’s preventing mainstream adoption, it’s also the lack of features.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

It’s gotten better but Linux is still requiring a lot more tinkering compared to Windows

Depends on the distro, and if unique or ancient hardware is being used.

I use Fedora/KDE (I believe it has better hardware support).

During install I click one checkbox for using proprietary code, and then everything just works. I code, office/print/scan, and game on it daily.

Arbiter ,

Only a couple more decades, we’re almost there!

warm ,

Closing in!

Nibodhika ,

My computer illiterate mother in law that has been using Linux for years strongly disagrees.

warm ,

Sorry, Linux is ready for basic usage such as web browsing and creating a document.

Nibodhika ,

It’s ready for a lot more than that, can you tell me something that Linux can’t do without mentioning a third party company that refuses to support Linux?

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

My computer illiterate wife’s right there with your mother-in-law.

narc0tic_bird , (edited ) in Mangohud randomly stopped working with Steam Flatpak

See this issue: github.com/flathub/…/1280

There are at least two workarounds in the comments.

million OP , (edited )
@million@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks.

Ended up adding :/usr/lib/pressure-vessel/overrides/share to the end of the XDG_DATA_DIRS environment variable as described in github.com/flathub/…/files.

narc0tic_bird ,

Pretty non-intrusive workaround I ended up using as well.

jntesteves ,
@jntesteves@lemmy.world avatar

@narc0tic_bird @million

A fix has already been published to Steam stable on Flathub. Workarounds can be removed now.

AuntieFreeze , in Linux share on Steam bounces back to nearly 2% for March 2024

I tried a few games on Linux and I spent more time looking for why one game wasn’t saving my game and why another game wouldn’t actually launch with no error messages then actually playing a game.

CraigeryTheKid ,

The only games thus far that I couldn’t get to work were pirated. Id say 80%+ pirated work, and so far all legit games. Even weird launchers like FF14 (stock, not the 3rd party) and Guild Wars 2. And then of course Steam does most the work.

Everyone’s mileage varies, obvs, plus there’s different distros and games.

AuntieFreeze ,

I’ve just recently gotten into this and installed steam through ubuntu’s store. Could be why it thought subnautica was on Linux and let me download it. I uninstalled and installed through apt-get this time, hopefully that fixes that issue.

lightstream ,

Hmmm? You can run Subnautica on Linux through Steam, as you can run most games written for Windows.

AuntieFreeze ,

Well, I’ve tried subnautica and BG3 and hitting play on either would just not do anything. Saves in Civ6 wouldn’t work either.

Troubleshooting BG3 is a hassle mainly due to it’s such a big game and I have a dumb internet data cap.

lightstream ,

I don’t have Subnautica but it is on my wishlist because you can play in VR, which is what I mostly play these days. PCVR is not as reliable on Linux as standard games, but nevertheless more than 50% of titles do work flawlessly now. Subnautica is definitely one of them - you should check for other people who’ve got your problem on ProtonDB. If you actually care, look into it more, you should be able to get all of those games running.

Chewy7324 ,

Having issue with the Steam snap isn’t surprising, as even Valve recommends against using it. A few years ago flatpak Steam had similar issues that got fixed over time.

For now I hope you’ll have more luck with the .deb!

knexcar ,

Sounds way too confusing, and goes against the whole idea that “Linux is easier than Windows because it has an App Store” and “you don’t have to use the command line”.

Chewy7324 ,

Yes, it’s sad that Canonical is pushing Snap before those kinks are ironed out. In general it’s a solid distro for people not familiar with Linux, but having to stumble over those issues is a dealbreaker.

Linux being easier than Windows is true in some ways, but it completely sidesteps issues Windows and macOS solved for a while, e.g. forcing users to upgrade. It’s annoying but some people just… don’t do the bare minimum. E.g. a friend’s dad has been using Linux for probably a decade by now, and for some reason apt auto upgrades broke (likely powerloss during upgrade). An image based OS like Fedora Atomic doesn’t have this issue, as it won’t apply updates to the running OS (by default).

CosmicCleric ,
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I play Subnautica on Fedora/Linux, installed directly from Steam (native), so I’m guessing it let you download it because with Proton enabled it’ll play just fine.

Just right click on the game and go into the properties and turn on the Windows/Proton support for the game.

As a side comment, I love Subnautica, a great game!

metaldream ,

BS. All of my games are legit and all them required tweaking to work.

TwinTusks ,
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Thats the game, once I got the game working, I’ll just leave it and never open it again.

cosmicrookie ,
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How long ago was this? I am basically not having any issues at all!

hinterlufer , in Stop Killing Games is a new campaign to stop developers making games unplayable

When I was younger, you’d still buy games in a physical store and one time I found a great sounding game “Fury” (an online PvP RPG). I went ahead and bought it with my pocket money and was super eager to play it. I even remember reading the booklet in the car while driving home, imagining how fun that game will be.

At home I then installed the game just to find out the the fuckers have shut down the game servers just about 2 years after the initial release of the game rendering the game absolutely unplayable.

I’m still kinda pissed about that, and I still have that box lying around somewhere.

ApathyTree ,
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I’ve accidentally bought a couple of ps4 games that lost servers within a year of launch, super frustrating, because they look great to play (and they weren’t exclusively multiplayer, so it makes no sense to me to scrap the single player along with multiplayer servers).

Ultragigagigantic , in Stop Killing Games is a new campaign to stop developers making games unplayable
@Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world avatar

Just play old games. Many will let you self host!

Neverwinter nights anyone?

cai ,

The campaign plans to get France's consumer rights agency to rule against Ubisoft's killing of The Crew, making game publishers have to leave games at least partially functional when online service ends (or else risk legal action & costs).

France has strong consumer protections, Europe doesn't treat EULAs as very legally serious, and Ubisoft was selling the game mere months before they "discontinued online service", which also stopped the single player mode from working.

And France's consumer protection agency accepts complaints from international customers, too, in English.

So, no, don't just keep your head down & "play old games". This is a perfect chance to actually fix shit.

krimson ,
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I had no idea they killed The Crew like that, insane.

Petter1 ,

They should have to offer the server software (or open source it) if the turn off their servers

Similar to computing devices without root rights (mainly phones/tablets) where I want forced root access (or better unlocking of bootloader), if the manufacturer does not offer new (security) updates.

laughterlaughter ,

You have a point. But “play old games,” is also part of consumer choice. OP didn’t say “just suck it up and play old games.” I’d say it’s more like “do not buy new games. Stick to perfectly good and playable old games.” In theory, companies should feel it in their pockets.

In theory.

isthingoneventhis ,

love Neverwinter nights! I need to fire it up again, but I seem to recall the random crashing was moderately annoying.

CarbonatedPastaSauce , in Looking for feedback on a future gaming build.

I just went through this exercise myself. 7800x3d with a 7900xt and Asus x670e-e mobi. My only recommendation is to make sure you pick a distro with newish hardware support. I started on Mint but had a lot of hardware troubles (mostly audio related) even with their newest kernel. Switched to Manjaro and the hardware issues were all resolved by the newer kernel and alsalib packages. Wasn’t crazy about their package manager though so I ended up on Tumbleweed and it’s smooth sailing so far.

I see no issues with your plan otherwise. The only caution I’d give is if you plan to get a beefier GPU later you’ll also need to upgrade the power supply, but looks fine with the parts you’ve picked.

yemmly , in Stop Killing Games is a new campaign to stop developers making games unplayable

Phew, for a moment there I thought you were trying to take the gratuitous murder out of games

TheDarksteel94 ,

Same. What would I even do if I couldn’t stick to my checklist titled “Geneva Suggestions” whenever I play?

BurnedOliveTree , in Looking for feedback on a future gaming build.

So, I have the same CPU and memory, similar GPU but an ITX motherboard from Gigabyte (B650I)

So far so great, it’s working without a hitch

And it’s not only snappy, with the Noctua coolers it’s very quiet, even with demanding titles the system stays quite quiet

mox , in Looking for feedback on a future gaming build.

If noise matters, you could probably find a quieter power supply. That Cooler Master looks mediocre in that department. Test results are available here:

www.cybenetics.com/index.php?option=power-supplie…

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