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Vendul , in Stop Killing Games is a new campaign to stop developers making games unplayable

Developers? Publishers are the problem.

ampersandrew ,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Plenty of games without publishers are designed to destroy themselves in this exact way, because there’s money in it.

laughterlaughter ,

In that case, the developers are the publishers.

ampersandrew ,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Then why make the distinction when A can often be B? People like to paint a picture of the little guy being bullied by the big guy into making a decision that players didn’t like, but we’ve seen plenty of times that developers will be the ones making the decisions we didn’t like. If there’s an incentive to do the bad thing, developers will do it without being told to.

laughterlaughter ,

That’s a strawman argument, sorry. You’re arguing as if all developers are publishers. You just said it “A can often be B,” but A is not always B.

Publishers do this bullshit. Period. And in small shops, developers are the publishers, sure. But when they make those decisions, they don’t make them in their roles of developers. They do so in their roles of publishers. And also, not all publishers and not all developers-turned-publishers are dicks.

But I understand what you’re saying. When they are dicks, they are dicks.

ampersandrew ,
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Developers can and have made this decision on their own even when they’ve got a publisher, because publishing deals come in all sizes, and online connection requirements that inevitably lead to a game’s death are pervasive in the industry right now.

laughterlaughter ,

No, not really. You just said it, man. “Publishing deals come in all sizes.” Publishing. Publishing. So, it’s the publishers who make those decisions. Not developers. That developers must accept them is one thing. But the publishers made the decision.

ampersandrew ,
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All sizes meaning that those deals also come with the absence of that decision, leaving it up to the developers.

laughterlaughter ,

If developers make those decisions, then they’re the publishers.

Are we going to continue going round this circle?

ampersandrew ,
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No, because your axiom is false, and I’m not going to argue with that.

laughterlaughter ,

It is not false, but if that’s what you want to believe, go ahead. Have a nice day.

tabular , (edited )
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*Publishers? Shareholders are the problem.*If any involved can make a change then we should do that. I can’t talk of publishers but I can speak dev.

If many of us refused towrite code unless it will be shared under an open source/free software license then publushers would have no choice but to let people self host. Sadly school doesn’t appear to teach programmers ethics of software, specifically flsoftware freedomn

BURN ,

Oh they teach it, most people (honestly including myself), just don’t care.

I really couldn’t give a shit what license code I write for work is under.

tabular ,
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Where do they teach it?

Para_lyzed ,

University. Cyberethics is a required course where I graduated from, and it goes deep into open source licensing and the free software movement. I can tell you from experience presenting on open source licensing and the free software movement during that class that almost no one in the class gave a shit about it. It was quite sad to see so many people uninterested in a topic I’m so passionate about, especially because these are the types of people who would go on to be my coworkers.

The fact of the matter is that most people (including programmers) will never care about it, simply because they refuse to understand how important it is or how they can make money from it. It seems to me that people just want to conform to the systems that already exist (copyright and proprietary software) instead of challenging and changing the way we view, write, and interact with software.

But of course, that only really applies to students who graduate with a Bachelor’s in CS, and likely doesn’t apply to every university. The layperson still has absolutely no idea what “open source” even means or why it is important. In fact, the layperson is often brainwashed into thinking that the best thing for enterprises is the best thing for them, so in all likelihood most people would rather fight for copyright than against it, even if they had been informed on open source licensing and the free software movement. US businesses do a damn good job of brainwashing their consumers into echoing their views.

Rose ,

The developers willingly entrust publishers to make those decisions.

hinterlufer , in Stop Killing Games is a new campaign to stop developers making games unplayable

When I was younger, you’d still buy games in a physical store and one time I found a great sounding game “Fury” (an online PvP RPG). I went ahead and bought it with my pocket money and was super eager to play it. I even remember reading the booklet in the car while driving home, imagining how fun that game will be.

At home I then installed the game just to find out the the fuckers have shut down the game servers just about 2 years after the initial release of the game rendering the game absolutely unplayable.

I’m still kinda pissed about that, and I still have that box lying around somewhere.

ApathyTree ,
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I’ve accidentally bought a couple of ps4 games that lost servers within a year of launch, super frustrating, because they look great to play (and they weren’t exclusively multiplayer, so it makes no sense to me to scrap the single player along with multiplayer servers).

CarbonatedPastaSauce , in Looking for feedback on a future gaming build.

I just went through this exercise myself. 7800x3d with a 7900xt and Asus x670e-e mobi. My only recommendation is to make sure you pick a distro with newish hardware support. I started on Mint but had a lot of hardware troubles (mostly audio related) even with their newest kernel. Switched to Manjaro and the hardware issues were all resolved by the newer kernel and alsalib packages. Wasn’t crazy about their package manager though so I ended up on Tumbleweed and it’s smooth sailing so far.

I see no issues with your plan otherwise. The only caution I’d give is if you plan to get a beefier GPU later you’ll also need to upgrade the power supply, but looks fine with the parts you’ve picked.

Ultragigagigantic , in Stop Killing Games is a new campaign to stop developers making games unplayable
@Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world avatar

Just play old games. Many will let you self host!

Neverwinter nights anyone?

cai ,

The campaign plans to get France's consumer rights agency to rule against Ubisoft's killing of The Crew, making game publishers have to leave games at least partially functional when online service ends (or else risk legal action & costs).

France has strong consumer protections, Europe doesn't treat EULAs as very legally serious, and Ubisoft was selling the game mere months before they "discontinued online service", which also stopped the single player mode from working.

And France's consumer protection agency accepts complaints from international customers, too, in English.

So, no, don't just keep your head down & "play old games". This is a perfect chance to actually fix shit.

krimson ,
@krimson@feddit.nl avatar

I had no idea they killed The Crew like that, insane.

Petter1 ,

They should have to offer the server software (or open source it) if the turn off their servers

Similar to computing devices without root rights (mainly phones/tablets) where I want forced root access (or better unlocking of bootloader), if the manufacturer does not offer new (security) updates.

laughterlaughter ,

You have a point. But “play old games,” is also part of consumer choice. OP didn’t say “just suck it up and play old games.” I’d say it’s more like “do not buy new games. Stick to perfectly good and playable old games.” In theory, companies should feel it in their pockets.

In theory.

isthingoneventhis ,

love Neverwinter nights! I need to fire it up again, but I seem to recall the random crashing was moderately annoying.

yemmly , in Stop Killing Games is a new campaign to stop developers making games unplayable

Phew, for a moment there I thought you were trying to take the gratuitous murder out of games

TheDarksteel94 ,

Same. What would I even do if I couldn’t stick to my checklist titled “Geneva Suggestions” whenever I play?

BurnedOliveTree , in Looking for feedback on a future gaming build.

So, I have the same CPU and memory, similar GPU but an ITX motherboard from Gigabyte (B650I)

So far so great, it’s working without a hitch

And it’s not only snappy, with the Noctua coolers it’s very quiet, even with demanding titles the system stays quite quiet

ProdigalFrog OP , in Stop Killing Games is a new campaign to stop developers making games unplayable
TWeaK ,

www.stopkillinggames.com

There are direct government petitions for the United Kingdom, Canada, and Australia.

cai ,

...and, if you actually owned The Crew (20 million people did), even outside of France, the French regulator accepts complaints from international customers. Which is super unusual, and very valuable to the campaign...

SturgiesYrFase ,
@SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

The Canadian and UK ones aren’t live yet

mox , in Looking for feedback on a future gaming build.

If noise matters, you could probably find a quieter power supply. That Cooler Master looks mediocre in that department. Test results are available here:

www.cybenetics.com/index.php?option=power-supplie…

sic_semper_tyrannis , in Looking for feedback on a future gaming build.

You might have problems with the Realtek NIC. Look for a board with Intel networking

mox , (edited )

That was good advice until somewhat recently, but Intel’s i225-v and i226-v ethernet chips are garbage (extraordinarily high rate of malfunctioning silicon) and they are unfortunately common on motherboards. You might end up with a good one, but it’s a gamble. Probably best to avoid them.

My board has Realtek 2.5gbit ethernet, and it’s working very well.

SGNL OP ,

Hmm, I went with the mobo cause I wanted the Nuvoton I/O Controller since I'd read that was more likely to have sensor support with Linux.

Was having a hard time finding them since I could only find the info by driving into support .pdfs but I could look around more.

Dremor , (edited )
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It is also a possibility to get a MB without WiFi and add an add-on pcie board. Like that it is possible to upgrade that part too.

Edit : Bonus point if you take one with removable wifi chip, like that one, as you can upgrade for cheaper (buy a $30 laptop card and swap it on the add-on card, and you are good to go), and reduce e-waste.

sugar_in_your_tea , in Looking for feedback on a future gaming build.

Do you really need all of those drives? You may want an NVMe drive, which will help the system well so much more snappy and load games faster. A 1TB NVMe is ~$80, which would be plenty for your OS and most (all?) of your games.

I think that’s totally worth it, but YMMV.

SGNL OP ,

Haha no, it's just what I have from my old box, it's storage for media mostly. I put those on as placeholders so I could calculate max power draw.

I will definitely be picking up a NVMe SSD at some point, it's just not necessary for my initial build. You have completely valid points.

Keegen , in Looking for feedback on a future gaming build.

Looks good but I personally would switch the CPU to a Ryzen 5 7600x and go for an RX6800xt or RX7800xt instead. Unless the games you play are heavy on the CPU usage you are likely to get way more mileage from a better GPU than the 3D cache and 2 extra cores. You can always buy whatever the latest 3D AM5 chip will be in the future when you feel the need to upgrade, or a used 7800x3D for a much lower price.

SGNL OP ,

I actually really liked that idea, thank you.

mox , (edited )

If you’re planning to upgrade to a higher-end CPU later, and if your case and RAM dimensions allow it, I wonder if it would make sense to get a CPU cooler with two fin stacks. That way, you wouldn’t have to replace it when upgrade time comes.

(AMD recommends liquid cooling for some of their recent CPUs, but I did a test that showed a dual-tower Noctua air cooler performing roughly as well as an Arctic 420mm liquid cooler on a 7950X3D, so that should be sufficient for any of their current desktop models.)

If price is the limiting factor, maybe consider one of the newer dual-tower coolers from other brands that have been getting good reviews, and replace the included fans with Noctua fans.

ProdigalFrog , in AMD's Longtime Open-Source Linux Graphics Driver Advocate Retires

I had a few interactions with Bridgman over on reddit years ago. He was always friendly, and always seemed to try his best to meaningfully help solve people’s problems. We owe him a lot for how good gaming is on AMD systems. We were lucky to have him on our side.

caustictrap , in Linux share on Steam bounces back to nearly 2% for March 2024

Also 45 percent of that 2 is on steam deck.

Telorand , in AMD's Longtime Open-Source Linux Graphics Driver Advocate Retires

o7

mlg , in Linux share on Steam bounces back to nearly 2% for March 2024
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

Guys I have a foolproof plan to reach 10%

spoiler- Stop using GNOME as default DE - Throw cash money at Wayland devs and hire an assassin to harass slap Nvidia’s CEO

ichbinjasokreativ ,

Why? I’ve been happily gaming on gnome for over two years now

fmstrat ,

Because he wants it to be Windows and hasn’t found Dash to Panel and Wintile yet.

deafboy ,
@deafboy@lemmy.world avatar

Stop using GNOME as default DE

No need to go as far. Just jail everyone working on Adwaita.

They always acted like the are the only ones in town, but while checking the spelling just now, the first result says “Adwaita (from अद्वैत, meaning “one and only” in Sanskrit)” The serious UX designers were a joke to them from the start.

TheGrandNagus , (edited )

I love libadwaita/GTK4. All my apps are consistent, look and work in the same way, they all look gorgeous, and there’s extreme attention to detail and adherence to good, well-studied UI paradigms.

Libadwaita has went a long way in making my system feel like one cohesive ecosystem, rather than a smattering of inconsistent, wildly different apps.

Libadwaita and GTK4 is amazing and the developers deserve a lot of praise.

But hey, if you don’t like it, just don’t use it. It’s that easy.

anon ,

if you don’t like it, just don’t use it. It’s that easy.

The entire point of FOSS

nintendiator ,

But hey, if you don’t like it, just don’t use it. It’s that easy.

Not when you are forced into it because it’s made a dependency of something you use.

TheGrandNagus , (edited )

Then use an alternative, if you really hate anything even remotely connected to it on your system and are seeking the ideological purity of having zero related dependencies.

You’re not entitled to have the software that’s provided to you for free be exactly how you like it.

But if your view is popular enough, there will surely be alternatives or altered forks.

nintendiator ,

Oh no I do when it comes to that. The problem’s (usually) not there.

The problem mostly lies with distro packagers. They often ignore the “this dependency is optional” part and make the dependency mandatory. Back in the day Fedora was terrible at packaging new stuff (trying to remove PulseAudio would also try to remove Libreoffice, for example), nowadays it seems it’s Debian’s turn at the horribad packaging wheel. So in order to “use an alternative”, which would actually be the exact same software I’m already using except correctly compiled and packaged, I’d have to jump distros.

One notorious example is NetworkManager, which in Debian requires systemd for some weird-ass reason even tho you can run a correct Debian system without systemd. The Antix people compile it correctly, with systemd as optional / shim’d, but that means having to add Antix’s repo to Debian to use NetworkManager in Debian.

ViscloReader ,

What’s the problem with GNOME?

TheGrandNagus , (edited )

Gnome = bad is a common Linux community circlejerk.

People will tell you Linux is about personal choice, but the second you say cool, I’m using flatpaks/Gnome/Wayland/System-D/any other thing that people get upset about, those same people will lose their fucking minds over you having a choice different to theirs.

1rre , (edited )

It’s not so much a circlejerk as much as a knowledge that KDE plasma is the most approachable DE with the most polished first experience for the majority of new users

The reason it gets interpreted as Gnome bad is that both Plasma and Gnome both mainly target users who want something that just works out of the box and doesn’t have a steep learning curve, however KDE have managed to keep up better with what new users want in recent years while Gnome has fallen into a semi-trap of doing what their current/older users want. That doesn’t mean it’s a bad distro, frankly it’s great for their current users, however it does little for newer users who may not find it as intuitive as other DEs, therefore making it a worse default DE for “off-the-shelf” distros targeting new Linux users.

At the end of the day though, it is about personal choice, and nobody’s saying i3 isn’t better for powerusers or that LXDE doesn’t run faster, but if you have the knowledge that you want to install one of those or the many other DEs available, then you can just find the iso/distro/package with that DE and install it rather than just clicking the all-in-one-guaranteed-to-work-lts download button on the distro’s homepage

TheGrandNagus ,

It’s not so much a circlejerk as much as a knowledge that KDE plasma is the most approachable DE with the most polished first experience for the majority of new users

You say that like it’s a fact rather than just your personal opinion.

The reason it gets interpreted as Gnome bad

No no no. I’m not misunderstanding people liking or preferring Plasma as hating Gnome. I love Plasma, and so should most people, it’s a very good DE. I pretty much only use Gnome and Plasma these days, and can happily praise or criticise either of them.

People do have a hateful circlejerk about Gnome. Look at any large discussion about Gnome and it gets full of haters who still can’t accept that Gnome 3 went in a very different direction to the traditional WinUX. People that say it’s shit. People that accuse the devs of being evil. Go onto a submission about a new Gnome release and you’ll find some smoothbrain making the classic wHaT fEaTuReS DiD tHeY rEmOVe tHiS TiMe joke which holds zero basis in reality.

And I’m not talking about fair criticisms either. I could rattle some off the top of my head. I’m talking about hatred.

Shitting on Gnome very much is the hip, trendy thing to do in the Reddit/Lemmy/reactionary YouTuber space.

According to many in the Linux community, Linux is all about choice, so long as your choice is the same as theirs.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not so much a circlejerk as much as a knowledge that KDE plasma is the most approachable DE with the most polished first experience for the majority of new users

You say that like it’s a fact rather than just your personal opinion.

It’s a safe assumption to make though, based on the fact that KDE most closely mimics the Windows UX, which Gnome does not, and that the vast majority of human beings who use computers are most familiar with the Windows UX, hence most approachable.

TheGrandNagus ,

I reject the premise that just because more people use Windows, a Windows UX must be the most intuitive and alternatives must appear more complicated to use.

There are more households that drive cars than ride a bike - is a car therefore a more intuitive to use transport tool than a bike?

SorryQuick ,

That’s a crazy take though. Everyone knows that what you’re most familiar with is way more intuitive than something you’ve never touched in your life.

There are more households that drive cars than ride a bike - is a car therefore a more intuitive to use transport tool than a bike?

How intuitive something is only affects the initial experience. This is why driving a car usually takes a year to learn in most countries - it’s not very intuitive. If you know how to drive a car, however, you can learn to drive a bus much faster - it’s now intuitive because you already know how to drive a car, which is similar.

So of course whichever DE replicates windows the best is going to be the most intuitive. Doesn’t mean that it’s better once you’ve gotten used to it though.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

I reject the premise that just because more people use Windows, a Windows UX must be the most intuitive and alternatives must appear more complicated to use.

That’s one hell of a ‘heavy lift’ to create a non-Windows UX experience that is more intuitive and easier for Windows user to adapt to that is completely different from the Windows UX experience they know today.

Not saying it’s not possible, but I think you’d have better success in pulling people over from Windows to Linux if the UX experience was similar, since they’re already dealing with a retraining issue (Linux) that is a barrier they have to overcome when transferring over.

There’s no need to add more obstacles to that transference process.

TheGrandNagus ,

You’re again assuming that being a windows clone will intrinsically make a DE more intuitive. I don’t think that’s true at all.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

You’re again assuming that being a windows clone will intrinsically make a DE more intuitive.

Yes I am, and I base that on my observance of human nature, and how a level of complexity of learning something new is a barrier that affects adopting something new, as well as my own personal experience as a UI/UX software developer for some decades.

An alternative UX would have to be incredibly intuitive to overcome that. And, with respect, Gnome is not that.

I don’t think that’s true at all.

Well we’ll just agree to disagree then. Appreciate the discussion though.

nintendiator ,

That and the Gnome devs carry a lot of anti-consumer opinions and practices in particular since Gnome 3. Must be something to do with the Microsoft influence from around that time.

TheGrandNagus ,

What are these anti-consumer opinions? And where is this Microsoft influence?

Harbinger01173430 ,

People forget that freedom is a lie within the natural world. Why do they think they have freedom within the digital realm they all made up?

seatwiggy ,

Because they made it up with freedom

Harbinger01173430 ,

It’s still bound to the natural world, where freedom is a lie

NaoPb ,

It’s just that they hate feet fetishists.

Aasikki ,

I really don’t understand why anyone feels the need to hate on a desktop environment. It’s not like on windows or mac where it is what it is and you’re stuck with it. If you don’t like it, just shut up and switch to something else (unless you like your de overall but have some improvements in mind of course, no reason to shut up for that).

Korne127 ,
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I love Libadwaita. It’s so good I started to use it to develop general cross platform apps

myotherself ,

Does “cross platform apps” include Windows in your case? If so, how is your experience compiling and packaging a libadwaita app for Windows?

Korne127 ,
@Korne127@lemmy.world avatar

Hey, sorry for the late answer, but I think you might be interested in this:
First of all, as a disclaimer: I’m not a professional front-end developer. I’m usually doing backend stuff and this is the first time I wanted to program a cross-platform desktop app. I spent a lot of time researching and settled on GTK / Libadwaita.
And I actually spent the last months building and packaging the project for every platform. With every platform I mean macOS, Linux and Windows. I strongly recommend doing this with a CI pipeline as there are many specific steps you need to follow.
I will provide a template on Github when I’m finished as well as a more in-depth blog post about all the steps and explanations. The main problem is that most is not documented at all and what’s documented is super outdated. So I had to figure out many things by myself. But the actual process, when you know how to do it, isn’t even really hard. I’ll post the links to the template here when I finished it all but it might still take some months as I currently also have other stuff to do.

myotherself ,

Thanks for coming back to this!

NaoPb ,

That last part is always a good idea. You should never not slap the Nvidia CEO.

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