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Siegfried ,

Junkers, dive bombing facts

abbiistabbii ,
@abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

en.wikipedia.org/…/1949_West_German_federal_elect…

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Candidate: Konrad Adenauer

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad_Adenauer#Years_under…

When the Nazi Party won several municipal, state and national elections in between 1930 and 1932, Adenauer, a strong opponent of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis, still believed that improvements in the national economy would make his strategy work: ignore the Nazis and concentrate on the Communist threat. He thought that based on election returns, the Nazis should become part of the Prussian and Reich governments, even when he was already the target of intense personal attacks. Political maneuverings around the ageing President Hindenburg then brought the Nazis to power on 30 January 1933.

By early February, Adenauer finally realized the futility of all discussions and any attempts at compromise with the Nazis. Cologne’s city council and the Prussian parliament had been dissolved; on 4 April 1933, he was officially dismissed as mayor and his bank accounts were frozen. “He had no money, no home and no job.” After arranging for the safety of his family, he appealed to the abbot of the Benedictine monastery at Maria Laach for a stay of several months. According to Albert Speer in his book Spandau: The Secret Diaries, Hitler expressed admiration for Adenauer, noting his civic projects, the building of a road circling the city as a bypass, and a “green belt” of parks. However, both Hitler and Speer concluded that Adenauer’s political views and principles made it impossible for him to play any role in Nazi Germany.

Adenauer was imprisoned for two days after the Night of the Long Knives on 30 June 1934; however, on 10 August 1934, maneuvering for his pension, he wrote a ten-page letter to Hermann Göring, the Prussian interior minister. He stated that as Mayor he had violated Prussian laws in order to allow Nazi events in public buildings and Nazi flags to be flown from city flagpoles, and that in 1932 he had declared publicly that the Nazis should join the Reich government in a leading role.[24][25] At the end of 1932, Adenauer had indeed demanded a joint government by his Zentrum party and the Nazis for Prussia

What a cool dude. Glad this guy was able to get back in charge of the German government in 1949, because his views were so incredibly normal and good and definitely not what might enable fascism to take root a second time.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad_Adenauer#Ending_dena…

In a speech on 20 September 1949, Adenauer denounced the entire denazification process pursued by the Allied military governments, announcing in the same speech that he was planning to bring in an amnesty law for the Nazi war criminals and he planned to apply to “the High Commissioners for a corresponding amnesty for punishments imposed by the Allied military courts”

Incredible leadership. Fantastic. Awesome. Love it.

ZombiFrancis ,

Don’t forget helping manufacture the Clean Wehrmacht mythology. Sanitized fucking Heinz Guderian.

ZombiFrancis ,

Just a casual grasp of historical events and a critical phase of post-war and interwar politics and economies of Europe.

There’s a lesson there!

boatsnhos931 ,

Who’s Hitler lol no cap fr fr deadass tho

irreticent ,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

Jenkins’ brother.

boatsnhos931 ,

Leroy is my cuzin

Naz ,

Bro, I can’t believe how that happened. They erased Jenkins from the timeline and somehow history was completely unaffected, because his brother became Fuhrer. Like what the shit

RecluseRamble , (edited )

That’s just a bit over 3 legislative periods. Hardly enough for anything significant to happen.

Edit: Just two hours passed and Poe’s Law struck again.

Agent641 ,

How long until Coles Law?

(I am very hungry)

hakunawazo ,

Accompanied by J Law*?

*Either him or her, I don’t mind both.

AFC1886VCC ,

Since this is posted on a shitpost community, I’ll just assume it’s not supposed to be taken seriously.

sunzu ,

Likely testing waters to see if it would land.

We already had trump and biden, and country has been in structural decline since at least 2008.

It doesn't matter who is the next president since there is zero indication current policy will be adjusted in any meaningful way to to provide any relief for working people.

Beatings will continue until morale improves.

Income tax sunset from trump corpo tax cuts coupled with inflation really pinching people this year. But fake news and our dear leaders can't figure why z peasants are bitching since inflation is "down"

GiddyGap ,

there is zero indication current policy will be adjusted in any meaningful way to to provide any relief for working people.

Just a reminder that Biden has been working overtime to provide student debt relief the entire time he’s been in office. Republicans have been working overtime to block it.

Student debt shouldn’t even exist. We need more education, not less.

sunzu ,

Good for 100k people... Thanks daddy

For the remainder: beatings will continue until morale improves.

nomous ,

Where are you getting 100k? 8 million so far, close to 45 have debt.

sunzu ,

what program are walking here about?

sunzu ,

4 downvotws but nobody can name it huh

ealoe ,

Student debt relief without a reduction in prices is just funneling money to colleges with extra steps. It is an important step, Biden should be doing it, but it needs to be accompanied by serious consumer protections and price controls applied to colleges.

GiddyGap ,

Sure, college education should just be a part of the regular public education system like it is in Europe. More education is a boon for the individual, society, and the economy.

ealoe ,

That would be good, private colleges could still exist but they’d have to compete with free college so the prices would have to come down and the value come up, a win for the consumer either way. It would be expensive but an important investment in our future.

Facebones ,

Which is not an adjustment in policy in any meaningful way.

If regulation was being drawn up to control pricing of higher education, then we could talk.

Krauerking ,

Using existing means to cancel fraudulent loans for non accredited schools that went under or people who were already supposed to have their loans forgiven by standing law but hadn’t because people like literally Joe Biden have given the keys to the kingdom to the business that want to make money more and have been going unpunished for screwing over the general populace.

They aren’t real actually helpful policies it’s minor enforcement of things that he and others of the major parties have ignored being broken for the bank accounts of their donors.

ssj2marx ,

Biden has been working overtime to provide student debt relief the entire time he’s been in office

Biden could sign an executive order right now forgiving all government-backed student loans. He doesn’t need to work overtime on this, he could literally hand-write it and sign it in like five minutes.

GiddyGap ,

I believe he actually did a blanket forgiveness, and the conservative majority of the Supreme Court struck it down.

jayemar ,

So weird to think that that all went down in 14 years. 2010 doesn’t seem that long ago.

sunzu ,

The proper marker is 2008... It has been going down hill and fast.

Boomers created this paradise for us.

Krauerking ,

Yeah… I mean… bad decisions to “fix” the country post crash followed by the absolutely nauseating problematic laws and decisions since, like citizens united and eased FTC regulations.

And all that before I was even close to being able to vote.
But here we have the boomers and silent generation demanding they know best and will never die and their kids in Gen X just sitting back and trying to make their money at the expense of generations after claiming they “feel sorry” for us without even lifting a finger to help…

Honestly fuck a few generations even though it doesn’t help against the real issue of the rich but there was a lot of adults in the room ignoring it because they still felt comfortable well past the signs.

sunzu ,

Boomers sold out their kids and country for macmansions and 401ks (most of them did not even get either) by providing political cover for the regime looting the country and fucking the working people.

It is a really disgusting set up the more you learn the mechanics, just getting fucked at every turn.

The fuckening is systemic and premeditated.

Krauerking ,

They just needed a little bit more. One more sweet hit of that cash before they will get out of the way. And it’s not like they are doing anything young people wouldn’t do and they will live long enough to get their win eventually. /S

Man the lead levels in their corpses are probably gonna poison the soil for generations (I’m hoping it was lead and not just societal selfishness)

sunzu ,

It think the lead theory is a cope...

Hard to admit to yourself that entire society is like this on purpose lol

FiniteBanjo ,

If they’re trying to convince Republicans to vote against Trump then they’ve chosen the wrong argument.

ori ,

They probably want non voters to vote.

CitizenKong ,

Also, Hitler had to declare a state if emergency to gain the absolute power the Supreme Court has just handed to the US president.

Suffice it to say, something lile this is impossible now in Germany. The justices of our highest court, the Bindesverfassungsgericht, can only hold the job for 12 years and can be no older than 68. They are also always equally voted in by two different branches of the government and need a two thirds majority for any decision.

Our democracy isn’t without faults, but this is probably our strongest bulwark against another descent into facsism.

v4ld1z ,
@v4ld1z@lemmy.zip avatar

Let’s hope it holds up against the AFD

iarigby ,

it looks like it isn’t holding up? How are they allowed to still campaign?

ZILtoid1991 ,

They’re concealing their true nature, and get a bunch of naïve moderates to clean their image. Jobbik did it in Hungary first, it even lead to the radicals splitting out the party under Mi Hazánk Mozgalom (Our Homeland Movement - technically a satellite party and the “bad cops” of Fidesz), and the moderates rebranding as more boring conservatives. Fidesz learned this tactic, and used it to make Trianon Revisionism seem like a “common cause”. Gamergate also did it the first round, the second round was just a literal reaction against any kind of inclusivity. The republicans are also doing it of course: Their average voter isn’t as evil as it seems, they’re just the naïve loyal voters, who think even if things go bad, they can just be removed from legislation. Which is true, but it will be hard if democracy is dismantled like in Hungary, and even then you can’t unlegislate ruined lives, the dead from their graves, the lost years people had to endure because of bad laws and no worker’s protections.

CitizenKong ,

Because the Verfassungsschutz sucks, but that’s not the fault of the Bundesverfassungsgericht.

And they repeatedly declared laws of the government unconstitutional, not matter which parties were in the coalition at the moment.

ZILtoid1991 ,

I think Trump will declare a state of emergency as soon as people will riot against his unjust laws. Project 2025 has something about deploying the military against the population to force through deeply unpopular laws.

ASDraptor ,

The problem with the left everywhere is they don’t have the balls to actually take action. They all talk about tolerance and how dialogue should make people change and be the politicians language. No. Certain things shouldn’t be tolerated. Fascism and nazism are two of those. Democracy is above anything else. If a subject is trying to undermine democracy or the institutions protecting it, they should be considered a national threat and dealt with accordingly. The problem is that the left is afraid of being seen as “authoritarian” so when a fascist comes and openly says they want to fuck democracy until it becomes a dictatorship, leftists just say “hey now, let’s sit down and talk”. No, my dude, we don’t “sit down and talk” with a fascist. We punch them in the face and tell them “fuck you, if you want to be a dictator, you’re a threat for our country and will be dealt with as a terrorist”. 80 years ago, we argued with Nazis by shooting them. We forgot and now we’re having them in our governments again.

lseif ,

dont conflate liberals with leftists

chumbalumber ,

Yeah – has the commenter above seen literally any civil war ever? It’s the leftists that show up

volodya_ilich ,

The problem with the left everywhere is they don’t have the balls to actually take action

Wait, I thought the problem is that the communists are oppressive tankies. What’s the conclusion then, the left goes too far or it doesn’t go far enough?

They all talk about tolerance and how dialogue should make people change and be the politicians language. No. Certain things shouldn’t be tolerated. Fascism and nazism are two of those

Please tell me, which ideology do the famous and vilified “antifa”, the ones who actually go and punch Nazis, espouse? Are they lukewarm Dems, are they republicans? Or are they actual leftists, both anarchists and communists?

The problem is that the left is afraid of being seen as “authoritarian” so when a fascist comes and openly says they want to fuck democracy until it becomes a dictatorship, leftists just say “hey now, let’s sit down and talk”.

This is true in some cases, not in others. You can argue this is true for Salvador Allende in Chile, you can maybe even argue for pre-spanish civil war Second Republic, but you can’t argue this about Maoists or Marxist-Leninists. Those are as far to the left as it gets, isn’t it?

Maybe the problem isn’t with “the left not being active enough”, but with democrats in the US and socialdemocrats in Europe co-opting the left thanks to the power of mass media? Maybe the problem is the century of anti-communist propaganda that we’ve suffered?

Isa ,
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The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. — Plato

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Just ask my slaves. Gods, I love slavery. - Plato

kickeriekuh ,

The first NSDAP government came into being in 1930, in Thuringia. It toppled a left-wing government with a broad alliance of liberals, conservatives and right-wing extremists. Today, a center-left government is still in power in Thuringia, but in a tolerated minority government that is dependent on the votes of the other parties. In a few months, it will most likely be voted out by another one. The liberal, conservative and far-right parties are already using their majority to jointly push through laws against the government. An extreme right-wing party will probably become the strongest force and as such will be able to do a lot of damage, even without government participation.

There are already areas where only right-wing candidates are running and right-wing conservatives are the most left-wing option.

Perhaps history will repeat itself this year.

nemith ,

Any look at Germany now….

PhlubbaDubba ,

Currently still dealing with Nazis organizing into a major political party.

Samsy ,

Shitshow again, and extremely dangerous. Three eastern states are voting this year and the new Nazis are all on top in the polls.

Historical fact: Thüringen was the first state voting for the Nazis, 100 years ago. And they consider to do it again.

Belastend ,

tf do you mean?

chemicalwonka , (edited )
@chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

There is no escape because Bourgeois representative “democracy” is a lie

c0smokram3r ,
@c0smokram3r@midwest.social avatar

I took a nap earlier and woke up wondering what year it was 😵‍💫

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