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negativeyoda ,

No mention of JIS which is yet another “fuck Phillips” argument

johannesvanderwhales ,

Does that mean that I’m using a Phillips driver on things that are actually JIS? A lot of electronics are Japanese.

negativeyoda ,

JIS is more common on Japanese machines, ie Japanese cars and motorcycles. When I was a bike mechanic you used JIS for Shimano derailleur adjustment screws. Even tho a Phillips “fit” it would destroy the screw.

I actually can’t tell them apart from sight truth be told, but I’m also not wrenching anymore (not to mention the cycling industry largely moved on to hex and torx)

helpImTrappedOnline ,

Probably. I find a JIS driver is, for the most part, slightly better for a lot of what I do.

The main thing I’ve found is you dont want too much of a point on the bit end. Too pointy and the driver will just wobble on the point and strip everything out.

Lesrid ,

Yup one of the first things I learned in computer repair is that a mostly flattened Philips works way better

yuriy ,

I got a dinky electronics repair kit that included a wide range of those bits and god DAMN. It feels like they outperform phillips heads on phillips fasteners.

seriousconsideration ,

Socket (hexagon) and Robinson (square) are hyper common standards. You use Robinson for wood working due to the shape offering more resistance for high speed driving, and you use a socket with an allen key in order to get precise high torque hand tightening. IMO Phillips and Slot are the worst common standards due to stripping and sliding.

CulturedLout ,

I agree, but I always thought they were Robertson head screws. Wouldn’t be the first time I was wrong though…

wjrii ,

You’re not wrong, and your instance makes me think you’re perfectly aware of this. Be bold, Canadian friend!

BreadOven ,

Robertson gang rise up! Also they actually hold screws without a magnet (although you probably know that).

wjrii ,

I’m not Canadian myself, but I did know that. Other than some cheaper ones being a bit weak from the large-ish chunk required for the square-drive, they’re really great. Much more pleasant to use than Phillips.

problematicPanther ,
@problematicPanther@lemmy.world avatar

if you need to unscrew a torx screw and you don’t have any torx bits, you can try using a flathead. it won’t work and you’ll probably get hurt doing it, but you can try it.

Abucketofpuppies ,

Thanks, I think I’ll try this next time.

wjrii ,

Sometimes an allen wrench can be found which will fit. Still a shitty option, but better than flathead usually.

Zetta ,

Op has never done any serious screw work it seems

MeanEYE ,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

Wow, person making this chart actually has no clue. First two are absolute worst nightmare. Torx, Pozidrive, JIS, Alan all great with minimum damage.

RatBin ,

slotted screws are all fun and games, but if they’re ruined…you will never get them out. I coursed these screws. Eventually they got the dremel treatement.

MeanEYE ,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

Can’t say I’ve ever had fun with slotted screw.

Hasuris ,

It’s the “grandpa has been using slotted all his life so it can’t be bad” reasoning. I can’t think of a single use case I’d want slotted or even philips, if I’ve got a choice. Torx or bust!

If you’re having trouble with Torx, buy better screws and bits. There are so many terrible screws around. The difference between a deep well fitting head and the cheap trash is massive.

johannesvanderwhales ,

Most of us are dealing with screws that someone else installed, though. Can’t really control the fact that the manufacturer decided to save .5 cents per units by using cheapass screws that strip if you look at them.

BorgDrone ,

If you’re having trouble with Torx, buy better screws and bits.

Last year I needed to do some hardwood construction outdoors. On the advise of a carpenter I ordered some high quality stainless steel Torx screws online. They don’t sell these in the consumer-oriented DIY store. They were awesome, much harder than the cheap screws, that would easily bend when driven into hardwood, much sharper as well and if you buy a box of 100 or more it comes with a bit which fits perfectly. So much easier to use than the overpriced crap from the DIY store.

Ginger666 ,

Where are people buying shitty tor screws from? Walmart? Aldi?

I’ve only bought them from supply houses or home depot/lowes, and deckmates are a pretty damn good brand.

BorgDrone ,

Karwei or Praxis. Especially their store brand is crap. Rotadrill screws are okay, but not as good as Spax, which they don’t sell.

Ginger666 ,

Are those names of alien races in Star Wars?

TomAwsm ,

Cantina music intensifies

pelotron ,
@pelotron@midwest.social avatar

Yea, I had quite the wtf moment one time when I stripped a Torx screw.

harsh3466 ,

Yes!

DevopsPalmer ,

Pretty sure I could get all of these screwed in with a combo of Philips and flathead

Daxter101 ,

Y type is intentionally made to say “fuck you” to that sentence.

And deserves to burn in hell for it

locke ,

Slotted is absolute shit. Philips is acceptable if you must live in the 1900s.

Torx all the way. Every other type should be illegal and punishable by death of perpetrator’s extended family.

chiliedogg ,

Posidrive is an alright compromise. It’s drives fairly well with the correct bit, but will also work with a Phillips screwdriver.

anlumo ,

but will also work with a Phillips screwdriver

Only if you hate the screw and never want to see it in its full glory again.

chiliedogg ,

A screwdriver - not a drill or impact driver. For those I always use the correct bit. But the $1 Phillips driver in my desk isn’t gonna over-torque a posidrive.

DacoTaco ,
@DacoTaco@lemmy.world avatar

Pozidrive and torx ftw. The rest can bugger off tbh.
Also, temper proof torx makes me lol. Brb, grabbing pliers to break of the temper proof bit haha

Noobnarski ,

Temper proof torx makes me lol, because almost every bit set I own includes them.

If you break it off you will most likely leave some behind, which will significantly reduce the mating area because you cannot insert the bit fully and may lead to stripping the screw.

DacoTaco ,
@DacoTaco@lemmy.world avatar

Fair. It all depends on where it breaks off and how tight the screw is. In electronics the screws arent in very tight, and breaking it off often breaks it off all the way down to the base.
Whatever happens, tamper proof is a huge fail and a good joke

Toastypickle ,

This is the way

eyeon ,

the only slightly justifiable use of slotted is something like the face plate on a light switch or power outlet, where it doesn’t have to be particularly tight and it’s nice you can remove it in a pinch with a fingernail or dime.

… but really if someone came and replaced all of mine with torx I can’t say id complain, so its not like they’re good in that use case… just less awful

Oderus ,

Robertson, or square is the best. Screw will literally stay in the screw without dropping.

zerocool42 ,

ASSY (from WÜRTH) is my go to for wood screws, and Torx for mechanical, the rest can go to hell.

Schlemmy ,

Torx master race has entered the chat.

MiDaBa ,

Literally the only people who I hear say negative things about Torx / star bits are people who don’t own a good Torx driver set. They don’t strip easily (using the correct size) and they don’t slip.

CooperRedArmyDog ,

my dislike of them is soly because the multi tools I carry do not usualy have bits for them.

Churbleyimyam ,

Phillips and pozi are actually designed to cam out (look it up on wikipedia). Started using torx a few years ago and I will never go back to pz again, even if it’s on the clock and someone else is paying for materials.

Flat head still has it’s place IMO, for example on machinery that gets used out in the field where you might need to improvise a driver out of a knife or coin or something.

Ph and pz are the work of the devil though.

franglais ,

This man clearly works in the field. Torx is the head to rule them all, except below T15 then it’s a pain, and you break more bits than you put in screws.

Churbleyimyam ,

True. Best to save T15 and below for cleaning the flesh out from under your fingernails after you’ve finished removing all the pz screws the last guy put in.

mariusafa ,

Is just me or pozi skips even more than standard Philips?

Churbleyimyam ,

Yeah, they’re even worse.

mariusafa ,

For real, an when de screw is cheap. The screwdriver just eats all the metal. More than one time I got left with a stuck screw because the craving was completely destroyed.

YungOnions ,

What the actual fuck is a ‘S type’ screw? What purpose does that have that another normal screw type cannot provide? What madness is this?!

Gorely ,

Easy to screw closed but not open. Gotta think about it in 3 dimensions. They are used in US bathroom stalls.

Opisek , (edited )

Why though? Do they think a pervert will go and unscrew doors? I’d argue the occupant would notice before it’s all unscrewed. Also, kicking it down might just be faster.

Cool concept though, but as person who loves repairing their stuff, I must say f it.

Red_October ,

It’s less pervert prevention and more vandalism resistance.

Opisek ,

Ah I understand. So like people just unscrewing things out of boredom?

UnfortunateShort ,

I firmly believe that without these screws, there would actually be less vandalism. Because of theft.

anlumo ,

I’ve seen them used in power supplies that are not supposed to be user-servicable.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Stops tampering. Nowadays they have learned that people have hex sets so they are moving to security hex.

Akasazh ,
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

To elaborate: it’s in 3d, the s curve is a ramp. The regular screwdriver slots in when turned clockwise, but has no purchase the other way round. It slips out because the ramp lifts the screwdriver out of the screw.

https://feddit.nl/pictrs/image/ec5b512e-a7e9-4e13-8822-931065edac96.jpeg

MeanEYE ,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

You can screw but can’t unscrew because it lifts the driver.

emhl ,

We’re screwed

baatliwala ,

Dafuq is a pozidrive

hanke ,

It’s like a pozidrive roundhole without the roundhole

baatliwala ,

Cheers m8 I’ve become enlightened now 👍

EddoWagt ,

A slightly better Phillips head

Foofighter ,

Probably the best shitpost I’ve seen in a while.

starman , (edited )
@starman@programming.dev avatar

Pozidriv is clearly superior to Phillips

Agent641 ,

Why?

starman ,
@starman@programming.dev avatar

It was designed to allow more torque to be applied and greater engagement than Phillips drives. As a result, the Pozidriv is less likely to cam out.

Red_October ,

IIRC that was a design feature of Phillips screws, not a flaw. Deliberately designed to limit torque to avoid over-tightening.

FilterItOut ,

Interestingly, it was an accidental feature. The original patent application makes no mention of it, but 9 years later they added language about it camming out to the second patent application. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cam_out

lud ,

Bug >> feature

mariusafa ,

In my experience pozidrive slips more than Philips, worst experience cap IMO

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