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sorrybookbroke , in "It has to be Chromium"

But it doesn’t though, not really. There are quite a few things which are still sent back as telemetry. One hell of alot better than chrome but it’s still watching you. It’s still not respecting your privacy.

There are some privacy respecting browser out there but they’re quite inconvenient to use. I haven’t found a real reasonable middle ground personally, but altering librewolf or the mulvad browser to keep you signed in has been nice enough for me

To expand:

Here’s a usefull tool: ffprofile.com

Firefox based privacy browser: mullvad.net/en/browser

To clarify why this is important, this data can be de-anonymized where anonymized and be used for fingerprinting your internet usage. If you’re concerned about privacy this is a pretty big red flag, especially if your government is getting this information, which many have and will be able to in the future.

Fingerprinting isn’t a perfect system and can incorrectly flag innocent people. Or, if you unfortunately life in the wrong place, whether true or not being flagged as gay/trans or the wrong political party can very much harm you. Texas has asked the government for a list of trans people inside their state, which was denied, what happens when it isn’t? what happens when it’s not just trans people, and is instead your group? Caution is king.

Skellybones , in Hard times
@Skellybones@lemmy.world avatar

People actually hate these things?

LwL ,

I’m confused too, self checkout is the best thing ever, no social interaction and pretty much equally fast, while allowing for more checkouts in the same amt of space. Though tbf only if done properly. One store here started having them like 10 years ago and there was like a 10% chance each item that you’d have to call over an employee bc the scale didn’t work. Haven’t had any problems with the ones i encountered recently.

Tar_alcaran ,

All the self-checkouts in Dutch supermarkets have handheld barcode scanners you take into the store with you, and it’s GREAT.

latewizard ,

At Sam’s here in the US, you can use their app to scan your items and pay. It’s so much more convenient.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Unexpected item in bagging area!!!

hoodatninja ,
@hoodatninja@kbin.social avatar

Absolutely. Any time I buy any product for adults (beer/liquor usually), I have to wait for them to come over anyway. 50% of the time the person doesn’t have clearance or doesn’t know how to work it or “it’s just not working,” so I have to wait for them to call their manager. Meanwhile I have a bunch of people standing in line waiting for me who are upset because I think I don’t know how to use a self check out line.

I have to manually look up and weigh any produce I get. Better hope the touchscreen is working properly. “Huh there are 3 listings of ‘sweet potato.’ Guess I’ll pick this one and hope it’s the right one.” Toss in a light item: “PLEASE PLACE ITEM IN BAG BEFORE CONTINUING.” If a barcode is faded I need to look up the product as well.

I mean it’s just on and on. If I buy more than 3 or 4 things it’s guaranteed to halt.

Pumpkinbot ,

It also depends on the system it’s using, as well as what you’re buying.

If you’re buying anything thay requires ID, or requires being brought in from the back (a fridge, for example), or if you just have a ton of stuff, yeah, don’t bother with self-checkout. But if you’re just going in to buy a phone cord or a soda, yeah, sure.

And there are some god-awful self-checkout OSes that scream at you to PLEASE PLACE ITEM IN THE BAGGING AREA, or HAVE YOU SCANNED YOUR FREQUENT SHOPPER CARD? and those can piss off and die. But there’s some that don’t do that, and are set up to actually be user-friendly!

The Home Depot near me somewhat recently changed out their self-checkout machines with UI and UX in mind, and holy shit, it makes so much of a difference. The screen is very uncluttered, high contrast colors are nice for drawing attention to the usual buttons to push, and the buttons per screen (scanning > payment type) change the side of the screen the buttons are on so if you just spam-tap, you won’t accidentally hit the wrong button.

Skellybones ,
@Skellybones@lemmy.world avatar

If you do regular shopping self checkout isn’t really the place for that it’s more useful for few items

Rodeo ,

Produce all have a code you can just type in instead of having to search. It’s right on the sticker for things that have stickers, for things like sweet potatoes you have to look at the price sign and it will have the code on it, then just write it on the bag with a sharpie.

hoodatninja , (edited )
@hoodatninja@kbin.social avatar

Yes I am aware of this, but why is that suddenly my job? I don't want to walk around with a sharpie writing down every produce I got. I don't want to sit there running through their register and system for them. I just want to get my stuff, pay, and leave. It's why we've had cashiers forever. If you're going to add my work to my day then cut prices or give me a discount.

If this helped the staff in some way that would be one thing. I don't mind being inconvenienced to help others. I don't want to be inconvenienced by a grocery store because they want to pay fewer people.

revlayle ,

Why would you need to write that stuff down? You take it out of the cart type in the sticker code, weigh and put in bag

hoodatninja , (edited )
@hoodatninja@kbin.social avatar

Because the produce that most of the grocery stores, I shop at is loose and I put it in a plastic bag that does not have a label on it. You have to write the number down. It’s not prepackaged generally.

sturmblast ,

If you stand in line for 35 minutes with 20 angry folks waiting for the one dude to learn how the self checkout works … yea

Skellybones ,
@Skellybones@lemmy.world avatar

Kinda the opposite for me really the space is always open and is quicker then waiting in line for the cashier

awweaver , (edited )

And you don’t have to have Human interaction.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

That’s not self-checkout’s fault. I don’t hate self-checkout. I hate idiots.

sturmblast ,

True, but the user experience on those things is terrible… so… I dunno it kind of cuts both ways if you ask me.

hoodatninja , (edited )
@hoodatninja@kbin.social avatar

The whole point is that I do know how to use it, yet I have to wait for someone to come over and verify my age, because I can’t do it myself. No self checkout line lets you walk out with booze without an employee coming over.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

People who can’t figure easy things out or are scared of electronics/anything newer than a butter churn sure are.

HikingVet ,

When do we get the employee discount for doing their work?

Matharl , in "It has to be Chromium"
@Matharl@lemmy.world avatar

Or even better, a fork of Firefox which disable all that telemetry crap and bundle with uBlock Origin : LibreWolf.

Boinketh ,

uBlock Origin*

uBlock is the pseudo-malware that profited off of uBO’s good name.

SinJab0n ,

Wow wow wow, care to explain ? This r huge news for me

RogueTyre ,

The original dev handed over development to a team and left, new cunts removed his name from project and made donation links, original dev came back and made ublock origin which is now the best adblock out there.

pineapplelover ,

I’ve only known ublock as ublock origin had no idea of this fiasco

Boinketh ,

I learned about this years ago and the details are a bit hazy, but you may find this warning by the developers of uBlock Origin to be relevant.

There’s also a “uBlock” extension available on Chrome that lists ublock.org as its website. From what I remember, AdBlock Plus and/or uBlock engaged in advertisement middlemanning. Essentially, they would let ads through to the end user as long as the advertisers gave them a cut and the ads weren’t deemed “intrusive.” I know ABP did this when I switched away, I’m not sure about uBlock.

uBlock Origin is a general content blocker, which puts it ahead of ad blockers anyway. You can configure it to block things like cookie popups too.

Viking_Hippie ,

Is it as simple to use out of the box as Firefox or does it require some tinkering first?

Matharl ,
@Matharl@lemmy.world avatar

No tinkering required, technically you could achieve the same result with regular Firefox + tinkering.

It’s as simple out of the box but with a greater focus on privacy with telemetry off and the pocket integration disabled.

majestictechie ,

Can confirm. Started using it yesterday after another comment. It’s pretty much plain FF, so works well right out of the gate. I enabled some features in the setting like Firefox sync and allow DRM media, but I’m really liking it.

pineapplelover ,

I’ve found that it might not work on banking sites because of the fingerprinting protection. Be warned, if you try to use on banking sites, you may be locked out. I suggest you do all banking and stuff on a separate browser that saves cookies and tracks you.

Matharl ,
@Matharl@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t have issue on my banking site but I’m not surprised, privacy settings tend to break some sites.

FarLine99 ,

but hardened firefox 😏

TheBat ,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

Shut up, you godless furry

FarLine99 ,

This!

gornar ,
@gornar@lemmy.world avatar

Godless furry bot: when

HughJanus ,

The new Mullvad browser is even better, and regularly maintained. But a little bit further down on the privacy end of the Spectrum and further from the useability end. Watch out for timezones, that one always gets me!

runningromeo ,

Mullvad has a browser now? Sweet! I’ve been a fan of their no nonsense approach to VPN for a while now.

HughJanus , (edited )

Yeah it’s basically TOR browser without the TOR network. Created in direct collaboration with TOR.

myself ,

LibreWolf is so clean and minimal, whenever I go back to Firefox it feels bloated in comparison.

Lukecis ,
@Lukecis@lemmy.world avatar

Fr, people need to stop the lies that firefox itself is a privacy respecting browser, which it isnt- not since it was bought out years back.

LibreWolf and Mullvad are great examples of Firefox Forks that are ACTUALLY privacy focused browsers.

Woedenaz ,
@Woedenaz@lemmy.fmhy.ml avatar

Bought out? Firefox was never bought out by anyone. What are you talking about?

Lukecis ,
@Lukecis@lemmy.world avatar

My bad, bought out was the wrong way to word it- I should have said “Made partnerships with-” then listed Google and Yahoo(defunct), China and Russia.

If you watch this video discussing how privacy respect firefox is by default- www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr8UFJzpNls you’ll see the telemetry they collect is miles long and Firefox is no better at protecting your privacy than Chrome/Chromium is whatsoever.

Definitely recommend Librewolf or Mullvad, which are actual privacy respecting browsers, even Chromium forks like Brave are better than default firefox.

PipedLinkBot ,

Here is an alternative Piped link(s): piped.video/watch?v=Fr8UFJzpNls

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.

ciko22i3 , in "It has to be Chromium"
@ciko22i3@sopuli.xyz avatar

Is there a firefox based browser like brave? And preferably without cryptobro bullshit?

I heard mullvad is looking promising but no android app (yet?)

miss_brainfart , (edited )
@miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

Assuming you mean built-in adblock and so on, Librewolf on the Desktop and the Mull Browser on Android. The latter is the default browser for DivestOS, a custom rom based on LineageOS.

Well, Mull doesn’t have a buil-in blocker, but you can use uBlock Origin

ArugulaZ , in "It has to be Chromium"

Does it run better than it did fifteen years ago? Because that was the reason I switched to Chrome.

jherazob ,
@jherazob@kbin.social avatar

Significantly

0Xero0 OP ,
@0Xero0@lemmy.world avatar

of course not, it hasn’t been updated for FIFTEEN YEARS and definitely didn’t even get an engine upgrade in 2017 let alone a new version half a month ago and a hotfix last week

Chadus_Maximus ,

2 years ago YouTube stuttered like a motherfucker whenever I moved my mouse. Doesn’t do that anymore so yes.

starman ,
@starman@programming.dev avatar

Google products are intentionally slower on firefox

Chadus_Maximus ,

What about other chromium browsers?

dudewitbow ,

No effect, bevause youtube uses an outdated version of Shadow DOM, which only chromium based browsers have installed. It then makes browsers like Firefox and pre chromium edge start youtube terribly.

LetMeEatCake ,

Yes. In fact, I’d say that Firefox runs clearly better than Chrome does these days. An inversion of the past.

ugh ,

I switched from Chrome to Firefox somewhat recently. The experience really isn’t any different, except Firefox doesn’t use 110% of your CPU.

I have a ton of privacy extensions which causes a few issues when creating accounts by linking to your Google account (the pop-up is blocked) or opening redirect links to apps (I think it’s only Discord that I’ve had an issue with). I don’t consider those drawbacks because the browser is doing its job. Instead, I go copy and paste the link in Chrome.

AdventureSpoon ,

A hell of a lot smoother than chrome

MyFairJulia , in "It has to be Chromium"
@MyFairJulia@lemmy.world avatar

If it really has to be a Chromium browser, Vivaldi will do the trick.

And if you REALLY take security seriously, LibreWolf is based on Firefox but without the annoying stuff from Mozilla attached to it.

Boinketh ,

How about ungoogled Chromium?

MyFairJulia ,
@MyFairJulia@lemmy.world avatar

Isn’t Chromium already ungoogled and Chrome is the googled browser?

Melco ,

You are fooling yourself if you think you can really “ungoogle” chromium.

ArcticCircleSystem ,

How so? What’s wrong with Ungoogled Chromium (besides it being Chromium)?

HKayn ,
@HKayn@dormi.zone avatar

They won’t respond because they just want you to use Firefox instead

ArcticCircleSystem ,

I already use Firefox. I’m just confused as to what’s wrong with Ungoogled Chromium. ~Cherri

HKayn ,
@HKayn@dormi.zone avatar

There’s really nothing wrong with it. The only thing that Firefox enthusiasts are concerned about is that you contribute to the Chromium monopoly by using Ungoogled Chromium.

ArcticCircleSystem ,

I wouldn’t consider myself a Firefox enthusiast, but there is one other major thing I’m concerned about with Chromium, and that’s the Chrome Web Store’s massive malware problem. Practically every month there’s some story about a bunch of malware being found on the store. Even accounting for the smaller userbase Firefox-based browsers have, it’s incredibly rare to see such stories about AMO. When they do come out, Mozilla tends to lay down the banhammer faster than Google does. CWS also had a pretty big problem with survey scams in the past, though I’m not sure about now. And if you look through AMO, one major difference you will notice is a distinct lack of all those sketchy search hijacking new tab extensions that seem to pop up on CWS constantly. Simply put, it appears Google’s review process for extensions on CWS is practically non-existent, while Mozilla’s is much more stringent. ~Cherri

aggelalex ,

Vivaldi a privacy respecting browser? It’s closed source and barely has any concern on the matter.

Hauskrampf ,

Nah, they have a big concern on that matter. Not collecting or selling your data is one of their main selling points lol. Also, while not completely open source, the main changes they do to the chromium base is open for everyone

balance_sheet ,

Not collecting or selling your data is one of their main selling points lol.

And… how can we trust that claim?

Just use Librewolf. Problem solved. If you want some gimmicky stuff that Vivaldi provides, that’s fine. Just know that it’s not as private as Librewolf is. It’s default privacy measures are subpar at best.

HKayn ,
@HKayn@dormi.zone avatar

I personally trust Vivaldi because they haven’t slipped up once so far. Besides the open source dispute, it’s easily the least controversial company.

balance_sheet ,

Closed source browser run by a company? No thanks.

lea , (edited )

Not a fan of Vivaldi either but it’s not closed source. https://vivaldi.com/source/

Though the source code doesn’t even get a link on their website so I can see why people think that.

Edit: I was wrong, there’s closed source parts (the UI).

covenuz , in "It has to be Chromium"

Just wondering as a Mac user without much experience: how is Safari in terms of privacy compared to say Firefox?

sznowicki ,

IMO much better. It’s Apple product. You give your data to them anyway while using macOS or iOS so that’s one argument: no need to share your data with anyone else.
Apart of that they have built in tracking blockers and I think they fiddle with cookies because I get logged out from services more frequently than on other browsers that I use for web development.

Norgur ,

Wait... Your argument is "it's good for privacy because you sent your telemetry already anyway?

TheGreatFox ,
@TheGreatFox@lemmy.world avatar

You’re using an apple product, you didn’t have any privacy in the first place. Browser choice isn’t going to change that either way.

jack55555 ,

Do you have proof of this? For example with the payment info on Apple Pay. It is all encrypted, not even the side I’m buying from sees my address or credit card info.

SpaceNoodle ,

It’s the same with Google Wallet, too, so that doesn’t really demonstrate anything.

khajimak ,
@khajimak@lemmy.world avatar

Because Google is a bastion of privacy

corb3t ,

Wrong, Apple doesn’t just hand over their user’s data without a warrant like other vendors.

bob_wiley ,
@bob_wiley@lemmy.world avatar

Apple’s whole marketing angle is based on privacy to differentiate themselves from Google and the others. If they get caught doing something stupid it seems like that would cost them more than they would make from the stupid stuff.

I don’t have specific data on Safari, but Apple choosing to do pretty much all ML stuff on device and leave it there bodes well for their general thoughts on privacy when compared to pretty much every other company that wants to pull all that data back so it can be used for other things.

Viking_Hippie ,

Apple’s whole marketing angle is based on privacy to differentiate themselves from Google and the others. If they get caught doing something stupid it seems like that would cost them more than they would make from the stupid stuff.

You really believe that, don’t you?

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d7482310-6711-4d0a-ade3-e58e1c1ee182.mp4

Quill7513 ,

Marketing angle, sure, but starting in 2019, Apple’s core MacOS product moved to selling users data to serve them better ads. They were only private for as long as they could attract new users with that. Now all they really have is “less privacy disrespecting than Windows 11 or ChromeOS”

corb3t ,

Eh, other vendors have been known to cooperative with police and government officials and hand over user data without a warrant - any evidence that’s been the case with Apple?

Quill7513 ,

privacyinternational.org/…/macos-opt-out-targeted…

Look in the system preferences app. There’s a whole section for opting out of Apple collecting advertising data about you. That’s the preferences app of the ENTIRE OS.

Meanwhile, Apple’s application APIs set advertisements as a core feature:

They may be letting you opt out for now, but this is an early phase of the enshittification cycle. First, they attracted users by promising privacy. Now they’re attracting advertisers by dangling in front of them an expanded user base. It won’t be long until Apple will make opting out more complicated and difficult because they think they can make more money selling more data to advertisers. They’ll do it slowly. Every time saying “they’re giving consumers more granular control over their privacy” when really they’re just “creating opt-outs for things you didn’t use to have to opt out of” or “creating opt-outs that used to be part of a larger opt out.” Someday will come “we’ve eliminated opt-outs” and eventually “here’s an advertising banner at the bottom of all default apps”

Gestrid ,

That’s the preferences app of the ENTIRE OS.

Well, at least it’s apparently all in one place instead of being scattered into several different apps’ settings like with Android. Android has its Privacy Dashboard, but, from what I’ve seen, it doesn’t begin to sufficiently cover privacy.

tram1 ,

If they get caught

Won’t get caught if it’s closed source…

Kolanaki , in Just bang Hitler's mom
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

It’s never “give Hitler a good life where he is never taught or led to be a prejudice psychopathic murderer.”

volvoxvsmarla ,

I mean I get the whole post isn’t super serious but for real, I doubt that getting rid of Hitler-Hitler would have stopped the rise of fascism and nazis. There would have just been another leader who might have caused even greater damage.

nxfsi ,

Or fascism may become the new trend in democracy because it didn’t get associated with genocide…

Swedneck ,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

you imply this isn’t what’s currently happening anyways

SmellyHamWallet , in "It has to be Chromium"

I committed to opera a long time ago and now I’m too many saved passwords deep on shit websites I’ve not visited in 4 years to make the change.

Deckname ,
@Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Let me help you and from there, you can import all your passwords into Keepass or KeepassXC

Pokethat , in We had a good run, thank you everyone

I remember the good old 4chan days when every 3rd post was about how “this is the cancer that is killing /b/” …

Which in hindsight was not wrong. It’s a husk of what it was. I fought with many a /b/tard in the great Tumblr wars. It was remnant of a more wild age, before the summer posters, before the psyops.

porkins , in title

I hope it succeeds though. It is exciting to be at the start of humanity becoming a spacefaring race. The idea that we might be able to see the Earth from space in our lifetime is amazing. I think people that venture into the unknown are inspiring. It’s great that we are pushing the boundaries of what humans can achieve. Sure, there are problems on Earth, but solving space problems makes it seem like figuring out our differences should be trivial given what we can achieve. Damn this is some good weed.

jossbo , in Better watch out
@jossbo@lemmy.ml avatar

Just mine around the edge and make sure you catch all the blocks so they don’t fall on the pressure plate at the bottom. You can mine out the reassure plate when you get down there, and the tnt! Good luck with the loot, hope you get some cool trims! Pretty sure Notch apples can still spawn down there as well!

xrtxn ,

It doesn’t matter whether the blocks fall on the pressure plate.

jossbo ,
@jossbo@lemmy.ml avatar

Oh, I thought items set them off!

FilthyShrooms ,

The pyramids have stone pressure plates, which are only set off by mobs and players. However, wooden pressure plates are activated by other things too such as items and fired arrows

jossbo ,
@jossbo@lemmy.ml avatar

TIL. Thank you!

dilan , in My Lemmy experience so far

Am I at the wrong Lemmy?

darthsid ,

I know right? I’ve barely come across any porn

Senseless ,

Not sure if it’s a Liftoff thing but even with a Lemmynsfw account on the Lemmynsfw instance I can’t see any nfsw posts. Need to use the PC for that.

Breno , in "It has to be Chromium"
@Breno@lemmy.fmhy.ml avatar

Pleading ignorance here and genuine questions. Is anyone, within the context of browsers able to define privacy and what it is that FF does that is superior to other say, Chromium based browsers? And what the real world effects are of not using FF for the purpose of privacy? Either reply or point to sources on the Web would be much appreciated.

Shurimal ,

As I understand it, you can make a Chromium browser just as privacy friendly as Firefox. I use Vivaldi on my home PC and mobile which is strongly privacy focused and has a ton of small QoL features neither Chrome nor Firefox has (I use both at work, prefer FF over Chrome). (Going off the tangent here) for example, it's incredibly easy to re-open recently closed tabs in Vivaldi with just two clicks—a feature I use all the time—as the recently closed tabs list is very obvious and easy to access in the tab bar itself without the need to futz around in the menus to find browsing history. The customizable speed dial, sidebar menu for things like bookmarks and downloads are really nice and the download manager in Vivaldi is IMO better than FF, too.

The bigger problem is Google having defacto monopoly over browser market and thus having too much influence over how web standards work and how the user can browse the web (I'm old enough to remember "This web page is best viewed on Internet Explorer" messages on websites). The move to manifest v3 to curb content blockers is one such example.

Breno ,
@Breno@lemmy.fmhy.ml avatar

Thanks for your reply. I am a Vivaldi user myself currently after trying numerous browsers over the years. I was trying to reconcile in my mind what am I giving up in terms of privacy for my choice. I do tend to lean on and learn from other more knowledgeable myself. I do have a few privacy related extensions installed. But you touch on something there that extends further than personal privacy but Googles influence on web standards, good one.

Kushia ,
@Kushia@lemmy.ml avatar

Chrome is run by an ad company with a vested interest in your data and has been outspoken about banning adblockers in the past.

Firefox is a completely open source project run by a non-profit organisation who accepts donations to cover costs.

Other Chromium-based browsers can generally be fine but the overuse of chromium reinforces web standards that are hard to reproduce. A web browser is a fairly complex beast these days even for the best programmers. Just see XMPP for an example of where things could lead to.

While it’s true that Firefox receives some of those donations from Google for being the default search engine, they have no influence over decisions made by the Firefox team whatsoever. That’s the short version of it.

ekZepp , in We will not
@ekZepp@lemmy.world avatar

Let’s be realistic. Reddit have years of post and discussion saved who are very useful for research. So the answer is simple, use Reddit as a Wikipedia and Post new content here or on any other free platform. (Well technically new. Some meme i saw here are older than me 😅).

hpucks ,

I deleted my Reddit account when I moved to Lemmy, but I do go back to Reddit if a Google search leads me there. You’re right, the wealth of knowledge remains there but I no longer wish to participate in the conversation there.

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