LOL this reminds me of the numerous news articles that kept saying how Mastodon wouldn’t scale and how it would never take off. The most ridiculous one: “Mastodon is crumbling”. (We’re over 13 million users right now.)
I’ll keep avoiding firefox as long as they keep pushing weird decision with each update, the latest one being forcing “pocket recommendation” on the new tab page, even if the built-in (that is, you can’t remove it) pocket extension is disabled. Sure, I can go look for the new advanced parameter to disable every time, but why pull this shit in the first place.
You can, but there’s a big difference : the average user (=the vast majority of people) will not see the difference. In some tech circles, or if you’re actively looking for it, you’ll know that it happens, and what it might (or might not) do, but 90% of people will not see a change. User interface remain the same, features remains the same, and extensions that could adapt will already have done so.
Firefox choices, for better or for worse, are very visible. The pocket extension was bundled in it, making it so that everyone have it show up one day. It being named after a (formerly) third-party service is not a good look. Then the new-tab page suggestions, which I can only see as an intrusive way to push content onto me (something I actively try to avoid, the samy way many “social network” keep pushing what their algorithms think is good for you). Add to that some decisions about actively ignoring user settings (and page content) about PDF handling, subsequently breaking tons of SPA because “they know better” (there was a long discussion, and the change was half-reverted once big enough sites showed issues).
The list could go on, ranging from “interesting” UI choices to bundling more and more advertisement for their own service, only to backpedal later with “oh, we didn’t think it would annoy people to do the exact thing you’re running from other browsers for”.
Chrome changes might be insidious, but they have limited impact to the actual users. Mozilla keeps changing Firefox in very glaring ways and not always with a sound reasons, user-wise. One could argue that these changes are all minor, but they do act as a deterrent for people that really can’t handle changes (remember, for most people changing the icon on a button is enough to make a feature “disappear” for them).
I’d argue crippling what ublock origin is caple of doing is very crippling to the end user experience. Accepting a cippled ublock is similar to accepting the change when adblock plus white listed some ads.
Again, factor in the number of people knowingly using ublock, and actively looking into what changed vs. what still works fine for now. Manifest v3 have no reach beyond techies, and as such is “accepted” by default. Remember that most people are totally fine with these changes because the larger picture is not shown to them.
“We had a 2% reduction in profits this year guys, 😭”
“The company lost money?”
“What? Oh no! But we made 3 bn in profits last year and we only made 2.8bn this year… So to make up for the shortfall, we’ll be reducing 401k contributions.”
Every capitalist: You did great, and we know all the prior meetings talked about record profits, but we just can’t afford to give you a bonus. Soooorryyyyyyyyy.
It doesn’t have to be Chromium, but asserting that Firefox is the only browser that respects your privacy is just untrue. Edit: I use FF and Brave for different browsing, as some websites just don’t like FF.
I don’t specifically mean the goDaddy site, I mean some sites that have gotten there certs from goDaddy won’t work. It will give an ssl error. I believe it is their wildcard cert specifically.
Vivaldi uses about half the RAM of FF when I have equivalent tabs open and running/idling.
Of course I have to have an ad blocker installed on FF whereas Vivaldi just does it natively, so that might be causing the difference in memory.
Here come all the anti chromium bois with "tHeReS nO wAy vivALdi bLoCkS aDs aS gOoD as u BlOcK oRiGin!‘’
To that I say… Have you ever fucking tried it? Lol I’ve tried both side by side, don’t argue unless you’ve actually done so as well. V’s ad blocking didn’t break when Manifest V3 dropped and until it stops being as good or better than UBO I’m just gonna keep using it. When that day happens, well like I said I’ve already got FF up and running anyways.
For daily usage, and as long as you use uBlock Origin, Firefox has been perfect for me for the past 10 years. I don’t understand those who complain about it.
Does the 34 and 20 represent the number of tabs? If so, this is not a fair comparison, what with FF having 50% more open. But even if that number doesn’t represent tabs, I am sure there can be websites that would put them much closer in performance.
Right now I have Chrome on my work machine. It has a 14 (again, not sure if those are active tabs or not) and it is eating 1.17 GB on my work machine. On my home FF (24) is eating 1.60 GB of RAM. FF is clearly using more RAM in each case, but it isn’t slowing my desktop down any more than Chrome is on my work machine. I’d like for it to improve, but rather use something other than Google’s tools on every single machine I use, I guess.
Yes, more or less. I think some other extensions can take up processes too.
I actually have enough RAM and I’m glad that the RAM is being used to load all the stuff instead of the pagefile. It’s my fault that I’m not closing stuff, not the browser’s for not guessing what I’m going to re-load.
If you ask people, I think they’ll just say that their main browser is like that. And that’ll apply to all of them, so it’s a user problem.
I remember these talks from a very long time ago. Very long time, when Opera had its own engine and before. I think the gaps have shrunk a lot, especially now that Internet Exploder is gone.
I have 15 extensions running on my 8GB work laptop and there is little to no difference from my 16GB PC battle station at home. And I have like 4 more apps run alongside 10 tabs of FF at work, way more than what I would ever open at home
Privacy is like the least important reason I use Firefox. With Microsoft Edge and Opera being based on Chromium now there are just so many of them. With Chromium essentially becoming the de facto standard because everyone uses it that means Google can ignore web standards and just do whatever they want.
It’s easier to inherit because it’s less dev time spent on a part of the browser that has less evident results for the consumer. I bet they’d rather spend money on the UX provided by UI changes rather than reworking the JavaScript engine, or anything related HTML or CSS rendering.
Unfortunately, no, they don’t. As Chromium gets more and more wide spread, Google is gaining the power to change the browser standards. Websites will have to comply. If your website suddenly “Breaks” because Google won’t allow Chromium load any pages without tracking tags, users will complain to you and not google.
Yeah tech illiteracy is a thing thats true. Once they realize that its their browser that breaks their shit they will just pick a different one. Thats what i mean with google owning all the websites.
unpopular opinion: chromium is a genuinely good thing for everyone involved. Just because chrome gets all the bitches and can dictate stuff doesnt mean chromium will break the competitions will to have their own programmers make their own fork.
Everything else I said, sorry if that wasn’t clear!
Essentially there are organizations like W3C and IEEE that define standards for how the internet works and how websites behave. All browsers follow these so everything works properly. Let’s say you have some idea you want to add to your browser you develop. You do it and tell everyone about it. You don’t have many users. Maybe a few sites do it but it isn’t really a problem that it doesn’t work on other browsers because so few people do it.
Chromium has a massive market share because so many browsers use it as their base. Even Opera and Microsoft Edge which historically have been alternatives to Google Chrome now use Chromium as their base. The danger is that Chromium has such a large user base that they are essentially what the standard is.
As a quick aside, Chromium is the name for the open source base of Google Chrome. Chrome itself is technically not open source. This jus thust in case you or other readers haven’t seen that word.
Imagine a world where everyone uses Chromium. Why would you (if you were in charge of Chromium) need to listen to what standards organizations say about how the web should work? You’re literally in charge of every browser! You can just add some new features or take some out and every website would have to comply because you (in this hypothetical) truly do control every single web browser on the planet. Their websites would not work otherwise.
Sure, out of the goodness of your heart you might behave and be a good steward but there will always be reasons for you to act against the standards that you don’t view as “bad” that other people might think are bad. I’m not saying all standards organizations are perfect and good or anything like that, but I believe I trust them more than Google.
Even if Google never does anything “bad” (naive thinking lol) avoiding the situation where they have that kind of power is a good thing.
To me that’s the most important reason to use a non-Chromium based browser. To avoid Chromium becoming the one true browser.
And just for some context, Google has done bad things before with regards to web standards and then having the de facto standard with Chrome. The recent changes to the extension API to neuter ad blocking being a prime example. And we don’t even have to speculate and sound like nutjobs. They’re a public company. They’ve said before that ad-blocking is one of the biggest threats to their ad revenue. Not that it feels tin foil hatty to suggest even if they hadn’t said it, but they actually have said it in reports.
organizations like W3C and IEEE that define standards for how the internet works and how websites behave
Too bad those organizations kept dragging their feet, writing standards by committee and making them unimplementable, pushing stuff like XHTML that nobody in their sane mind wanted… until the WHATWG called quits on them and focused on a working living standard: a reference free open source browser that anyone could just copy+paste to meet the standard.
Why do you believe Google would not be able to ignore the WHATWG the same way they could ignore other standards organizations if they controlled the entire browser market?
Well, for starters the WHATWG listens to Google, not the other way around. And yeah, they do “control” the entire “browser market”, or more precisely, the part they care about: how to show ads.
I don’t agree with the W3C or IEEE defining the standards anymore, or with Chromium becoming a “de facto” standard; the whole point of creating the WHATWG was to explicitly ditch the W3C, make Chromium into the basis for a living standard… and everyone clapped (except for some die hards who didn’t get the memo).
Yeah, I see, I was just trying to list some examples of such standardization bodies I’m talking about. Don’t view it as some implicit approval over others I didn’t mention.
No actually we don’t. Chromium isn’t a reference implementation. And while XHTML was handled poorly the idea behind it was actually very interesting. Didn’t pan out and was buried years ago. So what.
Could fool me, since it implements all WHATWG standards… or is it the other way around?
XHTML didn’t just “not pan out”; the W3C kept beating its dead horse carcass, like it did with many others. The W3C didn’t pan out and was handled poorly, even though the idea behind it was actually very interesting.
I mean, if gold is massively devalued. Don’t think it’d ever be worth less than leaves, but given its actual useful properties (as opposed to its arbitrary use as a currency) gold’s value should be a lot lower than it is.
I never use a password manager and a tablet so I can’t comment on those, but for everything else, what kind of devices do you have to run into those problems? Even my shitty laptop from 2016 that is on live support can run Firefox without issues. Are yours from the last century or something?
And “FF on Android keeps refreshing pages when changing tabs”? Dude, that’s called resource management, even Brave and Chrome do that if you have 20 tabs opened, you expect a damn phone to be as powerful as a normal average freaking PC?
Even my shitty laptop from 2016 that is on live support can run Firefox without issues. Are yours from the last century or something?
2018 i7 Zenbook with 24GB of ram. Of course it “runs” Firefox all fine, but it’s just these little things that force me to switch back to Chrome because I encounter small, but key issues which make me unable to continue working in it
And “FF on Android keeps refreshing pages when changing tabs”? Dude, that’s called resource management, even Brave and Chrome do that if you have 20 tabs opened, you expect a damn phone to be as powerful as a normal average freaking PC?
I have 8 gigs of ram on my phone so I wouldn’t expect this to happen with just 2 tabs open especially since Chrome does not do that, at least not every time I switch between tabs, even within seconds.
Don’t get me wrong, I understand how shitty it is for Google to monopolise the internet and web market and I would love to be able to permanently switch to Firefox, but let’s stop acting like Firefox is perfect, because it just isn’t. Sure, neither is Chrome, it has its issues beside privacy as well, but all in all performance- and usability-wise Firefox is just inferior.
I have 2 laptops with 8GB of ram each, a PC with 16GB and a phone with 6GB and non of them has problems, I even have 10 tabs open on my phone and non of them refreshes unless I manually do it. I haven’t run into a single issue with FF on any of my devices for my 3 years of using it. Just what kinds of bloatware do you have running in the background to run into those problems?
He is right, but I don’t see any problem with it. Personally I prefer lemmy to Reddit, but I still go back to Reddit due to the lack of content here. It will probably be a gradual transition where I completely stop using Reddit, and I am fine with it.
I meant to reply to your comment with this, but instead accidentally made a separate comment:
There definitely needs to be more content, or more specifically more niche content.
There are some communities I would like to see that I don’t believe exist (like Hobbydrama) which is disappointing.
People always reply “dude, just create one” but it’s really not that simple for a few different reasons.
First, I don’t even think we can create communities on sh.itjust.works instance right now. Second, I don’t know how to moderate an instance and don’t really have the time to learn. Third, the community would be barren unless someone just rips off like the top 30 posts from that subreddit, and I don’t have an account to reach out to the redditors to ask for their permission (and I really dont want to piss off the people actually creating the content so they are so jaded they never want to come over to Lemmy/the community).
I don’t need Lemmy to be a replacement for Reddit anymore than I needed Reddit to be a replacement for Digg. It’s a different platform and it’s allowed to be different.
I need Lemmy to simply be a social link sharing and message board. And it’s doing that perfectly.
I also don't need it to have a bazillion-septillion-megamillion users to consider it successful. In my mind, engagement with 10 people is worth much more than a thousand upvotes from someone mindlessly clicking my post.
Yeah, I’ve realized I mostly want “social media” as a place to create discussions. For that, honestly, the smaller community size is perfect.
I find massive communities have a way of devolving into hive minds. Once you reach a critical mass of people who think one thing, any comment to the contrary is just… obliterated, whether by an exhausting amount of argument, or downvotes. And then it just becomes known that that’s the opinion of the community, and people stop even bringing it up. At least that’s my theory on how it happens.
Over here, with a smaller community size, I’m finding a lot more genuine conversation, no matter the topic. It’s awesome. And I’m still finding Lemmy large enough to bring me interesting links and memes to talk about.
Reddit has made me realise that I have an aweful sense of humor, because none of my silly joke comments would get any upvotes. On lemmy, I almost always get at least one upvote or a comment. It ain’t much, but I like that my comment made someone’s day second, even it’s just one person.
Reddit only upvotes the same rehashed, repeated, stupid Reddit phrases spewed ad nauseam. You’ll always be upvoted for “play stupid games, win stupid prizes!!!111” or calling people Karens, or “equal rights, equal lefts” and all that absolute twaddle.
Damn, I just realized right now that I haven’t seen a single /s or someone upset that another comment left of a /s here. At least, I don’t recall any, there’s probably been a few of the first at least. But it’s nice being in a community where you don’t have to bash some users over the head with what you’re trying to say.
It wasn’t that rare to see one comment heavily downvoted but that commenter upvoted in replies to replies. Sometimes it was on them for poorly presenting their thoughts in the first place, but it seemed like the majority would often put their own meaning to comments and any doubt would lead to assumptions that the commenter was evil or something. Though I have seen that phenomenon here, including today.
Once you reach a critical mass of people who think one thing, any comment to the contrary is just… obliterated, whether by an exhausting amount of argument, or downvotes.
There’s also this effect where when you get further down a comment chain only people who really care about that particular argument keep reading. So past say comment 3 everyone is super duper opinionated.
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