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Isoprenoid ,

Professor was acting unethically.

He claimed there would be no judgement, and then didn’t follow through on that condition.

He also instructed the student to lie in the future.

Where is my A+?

taking a greentext as a true story

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Sounds like business ethics to me.

Etterra ,

Ah yes. “Ethics.”

Etterra ,

The teacher sold it to a different student who kissed his ass harder.

makyo ,

And the student himself acting ethically despite thinking they’re only 36/100

Empricorn ,

Hypothetically, if you kidnapped the prof, tied him up and gagged him until he gave you an A, wouldn’t you have earned it? Based on his example, and the voices in my head.

Limonene ,

Business ethics is the opposite of ethics.

bobs_monkey ,

https://lemm.ee/pictrs/image/928b10a6-d6a3-415f-ab88-ef6b0e184fd0.jpeg

toynbee ,

This guy looks like Walton Goggins during the reading of Pierce’s will in Community.

hushable , (edited )

my business ethics professor was fired for sexually assaulting a student

massive_bereavement ,

Oh, now I get it. So business ethics is just bizarro ethics.

TheBat ,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t you mean Blizzard ethics?

lars ,

Brazzers ethics correct

primrosepathspeedrun ,

basically.

pupbiru ,

ethics as long as it’s marketable and in any other situation it’s just selfishness and how to masquerade that as marketable ethics

massive_bereavement ,

We Care tm

primrosepathspeedrun ,

sounds like he was a master of the subject.

JJROKCZ ,

So are most, it’s either rape or embezzlement. Most don’t have access to funds to embezzle so rape is more common

chicken ,

Probably what businesses really want is unethical people who are competent at lying about it, and the professor was giving anon practical career advice if not actually ethical advice.

khaleer ,

They want those people as CEO’s, not as workers.

_bcron ,

They still don’t want an honest 95%+ ethical person in any role because it might conflict with the corporation’s desire to have workers rationalize that the needs of the corporation are more important than ethics, ie not wanting to hire potential whistleblowers.

They want ethical but only to the point that they’re willing to be unethical for the corporation, but not to the point that they’d ever be unethical towards the corporation. Basically sketchy ‘ride or die’ logic

son_named_bort ,

They still want workers who are willing to lie to protect the company. There’s a reason why whistleblowers tend to be blackballed from their industries.

WiseThat ,

They want them even more as middle managers.

The CEO’s goal is to be able to say “we had the best intentions, I have no idea how it went so badly”, and that requires a bunch of layers of middlemen who are willing to do anything to meet targets

Xanis ,

What businesses want are unethical people, but only towards everyone else. To them you must always be the pretty prim diamond unicorn princess who shit’s rainbows and profit.

Leate_Wonceslace ,
@Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

36 seems like an accurate score for someone going to Business School.

Sylence ,
@Sylence@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

For the most ethical of people going to business school. Everyone else lied.

recklessengagement ,
@recklessengagement@lemmy.world avatar

Business school seems to be the exact polar opposite of therapy

Isoprenoid ,

American Psycho was a documentary.

olafurp ,

Anon had a massive dunk on his professor lined up.

“You said there would be no judgement and said that people should lie rather than put an accurate score on an ethics survey. Wouldn’t that make your score lower than 36 then?”

sudneo ,

I guess the answer would be “but I have a job already”…

Xanis ,

“Yeah, and judging by how you immediately put down one of your students I suspect you lied to get it.”

Jimmycrackcrack ,

“Now you’re getting it kid.”

canihasaccount ,

The professor probably would have responded that his response was another part of the lesson: don’t trust those above you in a business setting.

sheepishly ,

"ha ha no judgement (:"
proceeds to judge

methinks professor is not very ethical

echodot ,

Yeah, he said to lie

echodot ,

Goes to business school, shock that the people are twats. Yeah, they are going to school to learn how to be the owner class, what you expect, empathy?

MehBlah ,

Anon learned his professor wants you to lie.

mojofrododojo ,

kinda par for the course… literally a business course so…

Duamerthrax , (edited )

Counter with, “this isn’t a job interview” or “I’m vying for a job in the oil and gas industry”.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

The professor

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/5d40617d-cbfb-4f86-b6a5-249d02fec39b.jpeg

echodot ,

Should have just said they were going to become a politician.

Lizardking27 ,

In business school

I think I found your problem.

medgremlin ,

I accidentally ended up at a religious university for medical school and you better believe I’ve gotten in numerous fights with the law and ethics professor (who, to be fair, is actually a MD/JD) regarding the prescribed conservative religious approach to the ethics discussions. I absolutely did not change his mind, but I did get a bunch of my classmates to start asking questions by putting myself out there and challenging the professor on their BS.

Edit: I should clarify that these fights were on mic in the recorded lectures, so there’s a hard record of my arguing with him.

echodot ,

I accidentally ended up at a religious university for medical school

Oh, yeah, we’ve all been there.

Also, religion and medicine don’t seem like things that should mix. They are bringing preconceived notions to the table that are not supposed by logic, that seems dangerous in the medical setting

fibojoly ,

I’m guessing the most important lesson in such a school is to not get upset when morons start praising God almighty after you saved their loved one in a day long operation or something.

Silentiea ,
@Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

You know, I’d be fine with it if it was God who got the credit as long as he also got the blame, but when I do something good and they start thanking God up and down, while when I make a decision they don’t like they start fuming that I am the arbiter of this darkness…

SSJMarx ,

religion and medicine don’t seem like things that should mix

I mean I get where you’re coming from, but I’m places that don’t have a secular medical establishment it’s usually spiritual practitioners that fill the gap.

echodot ,

My concern is that in my experience religious dogma and anti-vaxism tend to go hand in hand.

Also the whole abortion debate which is really something that should even be a debate.

medgremlin ,

Thankfully, the extent of the religion in the education is in the ethics discussions and strong recommendations to discuss spirituality and religion with your patients because faith communities are “very important”. The religion does not make it into any of the actual medicine or science.

Skates ,

religious university

medical school

Alright class, now that we’ve removed the patient’s lungs, we’re gonna pray he gets better. Yes, I see a raised hand in the back row?

Yes, sorry - doesn’t he need a lung to survive?

Right, good catch. We’re first going to pray he grows a lung. Yes, you with the notebook?

Who will be doing the closing?

That’ll be sister Jane. Sister, 12 “hail Marys” and a closing prayer, please. Class dismissed.

And then I guess y’all watch as the man flatlines while the nuns go “please give this one some sutures God, I promise I’ll be good from now on” and “God, if ever you were going to grow organs, please, now’s the time. The man can’t breathe. It’s not his fault”

Sounds like a good time. Do they give degrees or do you need to pray to get hired?

killingspark ,

“And I wouldn’t want to work for a liar” is the obvious comeback to this.

ClockNimble ,

Nah, he wants to see if anon can be shamed about his lack of ethics.

If he is shameless, CEO behavior.

If he is ashamed, McDonald’s behavior.

If you lie about it, then just par for the course and you can be a broker anywhere. Gotta feed out the line to find the narcissistic socios and not the stealthy ones.

psmgx ,

Aye same thought. He was testing the group. OP should have been blunt like “IDGAF and was the only one of you honest enough to admit it”

Viking_Hippie ,

I’d say that this is one of the few exceptions to the “those who can’t do teach” stereotype being bullshit but clearly he sucks at teaching others ethics as much as he sucks at being ethical in his own behavior 🤷

BakedGoods ,

Those who can’t do teach, and those who can’t teach manage. After working with normal people, teachers and managers I have concluded that managers should be excluded from homo sapiens sapiens. They are more like chimpanzees with some learnt behaviours that they don’t fully understand but will perform for a treat.

Asafum ,

I don’t actually think I know what a manager is. I’ve always thought it was synonymous with supervisor, but I’m a supervisor and I do all the work the guys I work with do plus the “manager” responsibilities. There is no time where I’m just sitting around sipping coffee or whatever the memes are. I’m building shit and fixing the problems my team come across.

I guess I’ve just never worked in a place where I’ve had the kind of management people complain about.

primrosepathspeedrun ,

well yeah. business ‘school’.

Viking_Hippie ,

Yeah, teaching ethics at a business school is like teaching bicycle repair to a school of fish 🤷

primrosepathspeedrun ,

no. it’s teaching deer behavior to rednecks with rifles and erections you REALLY don’t want to ask any questions about.

Jimmycrackcrack ,

I guess I look at this as the teacher setting the tone early to disabuse the students of any false notions of what the ethics class actually is. Shame they did it in such a shitty way, but I see that as part of their point too. I’m not sure I believe the scenario is necessarily real, but if it is, the message would be appear to be that going forward everyone must understand that this isn’t going to be about how to be ethical, but how to appear to meet artificial requirements that pay lip service to ethics. A teaching to the test kind of approach.

Teaching explicitly that they should act unethically (lie about their ethical convictions) to ensure they meet future expectations of falsely signalled ethics, and teaching that through a pretty unethical act of deception and public humiliation delivers this message quite succinctly and makes it pretty clear what to expect here on in.

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