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iAvicenna ,
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anon assumes development of science and tech is linear

Kerb ,
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language => written down language => widespread literacy => affordable information (printing press) => internet => hypertext websites => search engines.

we went from struggeling to keep our knowledge arround to having access to almost the entire sum of human knowledge in a mostly convenient manner.

lvxferre ,
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It was mostly agriculture and dense human settlements, I think. Once you have someone farming enough food for themself plus someone else, that “someone else” can do something else to progress technology. Sometimes with things that allow that farmer to produce enough food for three people, then five, so goes on.

Stern ,
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start rolling down hill

going slow

go faster

hmm

Kingsjack123 ,

So? the fact the reasoning flows is not countered by an appeal to Authority.

Deme ,

What appeal to authority do you mean?

Ilovethebomb ,

Everything we do is built on top of something else. We needed to build a society capable of supporting industry and learning, then written language, mathematics etc.

Once you have the building blocks of society, everything else comes much faster.

pixxelkick ,

Exponential growth, thats about all there is to it. Advancing from clacking rocks to hunting deer is actually already a huge advancement.

Those 190k years in caves however werent non-advancing. A lot of advancements happened over those years.

Fires, wheels, knot tying, ceramics, pottery, grains, hunting, animal husbandry, medicine, language, art, music, rope…

Also, 10k years is after we gained writing of various forms to store information.

Keep in mind thats at the stage of shit like egypt, the great pyramids, etc. We were waaaaay beyond “cavemen” at that point. We already had trade routes, cities, nations, countless languages, doctors, etc.

The big issue was before that point, all our forms of storing information were just not able to stand the test of time very well, is all. We stopped being “cavemen” way before that mark though.

Norgur ,
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Woah there. The oldest pyramids we know of are about 5000 years old. That's halfway to 10k.

LH0ezVT ,

Around 10k years before us, we developed from hunter-gatherer cavemen to neolithic city builders with irrigated farms, organized religion and and a feudal society in like 1000 years. That is also pretty quick. Sure, pyramids took a bit longer. But while pyramids are pretty damn impressive, no pyramids does not mean an “uncivilized” society.

LainTrain ,

Ooga booga no pyramids

MrJameGumb ,
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Hey man, there are plenty of animals on this planet that have been around longer than human beings, and I don’t see any of them writing an award winning Netflix limited series…

HappycamperNZ ,

The hormone monsters managed…

alcoholicorn ,

Crop domestication

j4k3 ,
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It’s mostly population density and specialization. You don’t have time to think when you’re doing everything yourself. The biggest advances come when we’re able to fund the best and brightest to basically do nothing but think.

After getting into writing some hard science fiction futurism, I find it much more interesting that we have so very little perspective about where we exist within the present. Our technology is crap, we’re poor as fuck, there is enormous wealth that dwarfs all the wealth on Earth and a whole lot of it is quite accessible if we tried, while we haven’t even scratched the surface of the technology available within biology. Our medicine and healthcare practices are primarily based on anecdotal or correlative nonsense, low sigma test results, and cherry picked terrible science. Many of us here, myself included, are outliers that the present healthcare system fails to help. We have it better than some people in history, but worse than others. It feels like our culture has this mindset like we are the end game; no vision of the future. The only stories told are those of dystopianism. We should change that.

RootBeerGuy ,
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Yes, people forget that a bit over a hundred years ago, there were less than a billion people on the planet.

LH0ezVT ,

But isn’t that what genres like cyberpunk do? Technological progress (A(G)I, biotech, body modifications, true VR, you name it), but society is even shittier than now? Sure, it is to some degree a cautious tale, but I feel there are quite a lot of near-future hard-ish scifi visions around

LainTrain ,

What we need is near-future hard-ish sci-fi visions that view the world positively or at least as capable of change. A lot more Star Trek TNG than expanse.

LainTrain ,

You’re so right about healthcare. The only people who have faith in the healthcare industry have clearly never interacted with it. From the politicized researchers to the patient-facing morons it’s all mostly shit all the way down.

Gradually_Adjusting ,
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When I think about how long it took me to realize that you’re supposed to pour tetra packs with the spout on top, I find no fault in pre modern man

TootSweet ,

Civilization is anomalous. Yes.

SGforce ,

Yeah well. We kind of had to deal with bears the size of a fucking house for a while. At least until we wiped out their main food source. And rival hominids with at least spears.

Glowstick ,

The answer is probably language. Before advanced language was developed, there wasn’t a good way to pass along any knowledge that was gained by an individual.

PunnyName ,

And storage / dissemination of that language.

muntedcrocodile ,
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Thats why the fediverse is the next step in evolution.

PrivateNoob ,

Brainrotmaxxing

LH0ezVT ,

Let’s carve our memes into stone and bury them for future archaeologists.

sinkingship ,

I thought it was because proper farming.

Like being able to support larger groups of people, where individuals could specialize in other things than hunting, gathering and whatever else was keeping the early humans busy.

On the other hand I’ve heard we’ve been possibly farming long before 10,000 BCE.

A_Union_of_Kobolds ,

Yes there’s only one answer to how our species developed space flight

Hegar ,
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Language is much older than just 10k years. There's a few reasons to think that language might have developed with erectus, which could make language 10x older than the 'human specie', according to anon.

Glowstick ,

That’s why i said advanced language. Lots of animals have language. Crows have language

superkret ,

The answer is agriculture, which lowered the standard of living and health of the individual, but sustained more people, allowed for specialization, permanent settlement and building large structures.

loaExMachina ,

Language probably predates Homo Sapiens as our close relatives such as Homo Neandertalensis and Homo Denisova also had adaptations for articulated speech.

www.nature.com/articles/s41559-021-01391-6

Beside, populations today that have never had agriculture or traits we associate with civilization and who live secluded, like the North Sentinelese, all have languages.

I think it’s best explained by environmental factors, rather than something interior to humanity. After all, most of human’s existence was during the Pleistocene, but all recorded history is within the Holocene (except now we’re entering the Anthropocene). Many modern studies account for the climate shifts to explain the development of agriculture:

www.pnas.org/doi/pdf/10.1073/pnas.1113931109

journals.sagepub.com/doi/…/0959683611409775

Most traits we associate with civilization are linked to agriculture and sedentary.

lvxferre ,
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As IoaExMachina correctly highlighted, language predates those 10k years.

For reference, Proto-Afro-Asiatic (ancestor of Egyptian, all Semitic languages, Amazigh, plus a lot others) is believed to have been spoken 12k~18k years ago. So… like, it was already old back then, and yet it has modern descendants.

And the role of language is probably not just communication, it’s also to formalise thought. It’s easier to think with language than without it, and you can reach more reliable conclusions.

praise_idleness ,

about 70 years after human had its first flight, we stepped on the moon.

Deme ,
  • first powered flight on a heavier than air craft. The first humans flew in 1783 on a hot air balloon.
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