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socsa , (edited )

Jet fuel can’t melt steel beams 😔

Edit - too soon?

crapwittyname ,

Gross

redballooon ,

That’s not a plot hole, even after 1990. There’s no reason to melt it. Weakening is enough.

crapwittyname ,

It’s too soon to be sure you mean it ironically. Did you?

son_named_bort ,

Well yeah, the question specified 1990 or before.

magnetosphere ,
@magnetosphere@kbin.social avatar

Nobody has figured out who the Zodiac killer is yet? Come on, people!

djmarcone ,

I thought it was Ted Cruz

JusticeForPorygon ,
@JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Yeah pretty sure this was wrapped up in the comics

zero_gravitas ,

Just to emphasise:

from 1990 and before

CeruleanRuin ,

Folks can’t read past the headline. Truly this site has arrived.

baggins ,

Idk man I wasn’t alive then.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Why the weird arbitrary time?

TotallyHuman OP ,

Because I didn’t want people arguing about current events and the end of the Cold War seemed as good a cutoff as any.

TransplantedSconie ,

Did it really end? The Soviet Union might have imploded, but the KGB just took the country over, turned it into a mafia state, and kept right at it.

Meho_Nohome ,
@Meho_Nohome@sh.itjust.works avatar

I remember 1990. There was nothing arbitrary about it.

CurlyWurlies4All , (edited )
@CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net avatar

Are we supposed to believe the largest most dominant military force in the world, Kublai Kahn’s Mongol fleet was defeated by some inclement weather… TWICE?? Lazy writing.

noughtnaut ,
@noughtnaut@lemmy.world avatar

Inclement weather, just FYI. Although, your spelling also makes a lot of sense in the current times…

Not bashing your point though, that’s a good one.

CurlyWurlies4All ,
@CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net avatar

My turn to learn a new fact today. Wild that I’ve never realised it was spelt that way.

Montagge ,
@Montagge@kbin.social avatar

If most people are good why doesn't the world get better without violence?

lol3droflxp ,
@lol3droflxp@kbin.social avatar

There’s a saying in German that my grandmother sometimes used, it roughly translates to “The person is good but the people are bad” (Der Mensch ist gut, aber die Leut sind schlecht).

EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted ,
@EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I like that.

Another quote that comes to mind is this, from the movie Men in Black (1997):

A person is smart; people are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it.

– Tommy Lee Jones, as Agent K

dudinax ,

“Germans: so estimable in the individual, so execrable in the aggregate”. – paraphrase of Goethe

kaj ,

Most people regularly eat dead animals, so violence is still everywhere. In fact, there’s more now than ever before. :(

mdhughes ,
@mdhughes@lemmy.ml avatar

Would you prefer they eat live animals?

kaj ,

Edgy!

Meho_Nohome ,
@Meho_Nohome@sh.itjust.works avatar

That one on 25th Street that I hit the other day. Oh wait, you said “plot”. Nevermind.

magnetosphere ,
@magnetosphere@kbin.social avatar

The Trump storyline is taking way too long to reach a definitive conclusion, and I’m not even confident that it will be a particularly satisfying one.

boatswain ,

I know time got weird with the pandemic, but that was not actually before 1990, believe it or not.

magnetosphere ,
@magnetosphere@kbin.social avatar

Ha ha ha I totally misread the title. I thought it was 1990 and beyond. Whoops! Thanks for pointing that out!

grabyourmotherskeys ,

I mean I was aware of him before 1990 and really could not understand how he was famous or successful. My brother is older than me and Trump came up on the news one day and he said “he’s either a criminal or his bankers are idiots”. We grew up quite a ways from NYC if you’re wondering.

The older you are the more insane this timeline seems. I knew he’d get elected. Racism and sexism put him over the top. Still felt like I was going crazy watching it.

CeruleanRuin ,

Spoilers for future seasons: they try pretty hard to replicate the ratings bonanza of Chancellor Hitler storyline, but it veers way off into weird nonsense, and instead of any sort of satisfying conclusion eventually everyone just gets tired of him and he spends his last years muttering to himself at increasingly sadder and sadder rallies for his remaining geriatric fans.

CeruleanRuin ,

That statement was also true before 1990, though.

flossdaily ,

That there wasn’t a single mainstream Republican who stood up to Trump during his presidency.

I mean, come on. Who wrote this?

We’re supposed to believe that EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN in government went from taking about how unfit Trump was when he was a candidate … to standing behind him 100% even when he cozied up to Russia, paid hush money to a porn star, and lied about a Presidential election?

DarkGamer ,
@DarkGamer@kbin.social avatar

Some voted for impeachment. Still, far more should have defended democracy, decency, and the rule of law.

A_Menace_To_Society ,

How does this fit the prompt? They specified before 1990.

killeronthecorner ,
@killeronthecorner@lemmy.world avatar

The popularity of Harry Styles

520 ,

Lead singer of a mega famous boyband and one of Taylor Swift's most famous exes.

cheese_greater ,

We’ve def got a real mystery on our hands, Grommit

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Which was tough to achieve before 1990, but Harold Styles of Sioux Falls South Dakota pulled it off.

That guy was a king in South Dakota.

shinigamiookamiryuu ,

Where all the aliens are.

Nemo ,

That DB Cooper storyline was never resolved.

CeruleanRuin ,

Lots of those. Characters just falling out of the narrative left and right.

clearedtoland ,

Those aren’t plot holes. They’re upper story windows conveniently located in Russia.

Varyk ,

Probably the two a half billion people claiming to identify as christian while actively opposing and taking action against any of Christ’s non-self-serving ideals.

someguy3 , (edited )

If there’s one good thing about Maga it’s that it clearly illuminated what a majority of these “Christians” actually are.

ChaoticEntropy ,
@ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

They’ve been more than happy to illuminate themselves, sometimes via burning crosses, for some time. At least those ones have taken off the hoods now.

shinigamiookamiryuu ,

There are some of us that don’t do that. But yeah, even as an adherent, I see and feel what you mean.

magnetosphere ,
@magnetosphere@kbin.social avatar

That must be painful and frustrating. An old coworker of mine was a “real” Christian (by that I mean kind, pleasant, and non-judgmental) and I often wonder what his take on the last several years would be.

shinigamiookamiryuu ,

I know what mine is. Nobody is truly thinking about how they “should” go about things, they make the word second fiddle to something else, whether it’s public speakers being selective and hoarding their money to supposedly “Catholic” or “Protestant” governors enacting policies that would make even Neo-Stoics give up on them. I often hear about people going through hardships with supposedly Christ-loving families, hardships that shouldn’t be there, and it makes me mad I can’t do anything. I might be terrified of being a mom, but I’d do it for those people.

A good rule of thumb: The ten commandments > The word of Jesus > The rest of the old testament > Indirect interpretations, with Paul being nothing more than the Christian equivalent of a hadith.

Skoobie ,
@Skoobie@lemmy.film avatar

Out of curiosity, why put the 10 commandments before the words of Jesus? I dig the general point you’re making but that caught my eye.

themarty27 ,

The Ten Commandments are literally the word of God, straight from their mouth (hand?) and onto stone. Doesn’t get much more important than that.

Bizarroland ,
@Bizarroland@kbin.social avatar

God gave us 10 commandments, Jesus gave us 1.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

We call it the Golden rule because if you can follow that one rule you're golden when it comes to your judgment at the end of time.

Blessed are the empathetic, for they shall accrue a debt that God will repay.

shinigamiookamiryuu ,

Jesus still said the ten commandments were crucial expressions of the commandment of doing to others as one one have done to themselves. The ten commandments had been brought up a few times in the new testament, either with Jesus being questioned as to why he wasn’t following them (in response to which he’d elaborate why a commandment is important and why he’s not dishonoring it) or with him expanding a commandment, such as at Matthew 5:28-29.

smstnitc ,

I always preferred the general commandment of “don’t be a dick”, and everything else is just kind of a given if you follow that.

lol3droflxp ,
@lol3droflxp@kbin.social avatar

Also seems a bit weird to me. Maybe they meant it along the lines of what is easy to look up and apply quickly. But even then, there’s “Love thy neighbour as thyself“ which is maybe even simpler. Maybe they’ll explain what they meant.

shinigamiookamiryuu ,

The ten commandments are a priority, Jesus stressed often the need to not impede on those. Commandments were brought up a few times in the synoptic gospels. The most famous example was when he said that fantasizing about someone you’re not married to was (figuratively) as good as adultery. In another, he was asked why he was “working on Sundays” and he went out of his way to demonstrate how it wasn’t work in a laborious sense. The ten commandments do take priority over other teachings, that’s why they’re called the ten commandments and why, according to some, they were inscribed on stone while other rules were spoken orally.

shinigamiookamiryuu ,

Jesus himself did this. The implication behind them being inscribed in stone was that they are a priority. Imagine putting something in bold print and saying “oh don’t worry, that text is in bold just because I felt like it”. If someone had to choose between, say, disobeying a commandment and disobeying the food rules, you should disobey the food rule.

Bizarroland ,
@Bizarroland@kbin.social avatar

I feel like there was something in Revelations about how a powerful delusion would fall on people because they "loved not the truth".

And I'm not saying this is the end times but I definitely feel like there wouldn't be much difference between how I felt right now and how I would feel if I knew for a fact it was the end times.

WYLD_STALLYNS ,
@WYLD_STALLYNS@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

https://i.imgur.com/NKxQ357.jpg

webghost0101 ,

For real. I am no catholic or god worshipper but i feel like i am living a more religious life then them because I recognize the fiction of Jesus life for the vast inspirational philophies it contains and actually try to incorporate some of it in my life.

TransplantedSconie ,

Literally, all it boils down to is: Don’t Be An Asshole.

That’s it. That’s all you have to do.

SayJess , (edited )
@SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

That is really hard for so many people to do.

subignition ,
@subignition@kbin.social avatar

It's so, you couldn't even write ''

SayJess ,
@SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

lol fair

Skoobie ,
@Skoobie@lemmy.film avatar

Nah, that’s not a plot hole. That’s just a seed for the Act 3 twist we’re due in about 2 years. When the Vatican incorporates and invades Yugoslavia.

manapropos ,

HOI4 moment

lvxferre ,
@lvxferre@lemmy.ml avatar

Fucking Papal States. I wish that I could play Florence without becoming Excommunication Simulator!

breckenedge ,

Wow, top voted reply. Damn Lemmy is cynical. There are many people out there doing God’s work caring for each other for no recognition, no reward. And certainly there are many folks out there too that make things look really bad, and the media loves to tell that story, but don’t for a moment think that that’s every Christian.

Varyk ,

I don’t think it’s fair to complain about assumed absolute statements and in the next breath say “damn lemmy is cynical”.

Obviously every christian isn’t a hypocrite.

Also obviously, too many are.

breckenedge ,

You’re right. Just sad to see this being the highest rated comment on something that I really didn’t expect to have at all to do with religion.

Varyk ,

The biggest real-life plot holes and you didn’t expect something that directly affects 8 out of ten people (and indirectly affects the other 2) on the planet to come up?

Anything that affects that many people is going to have real life plot-holes:

America nominally fought its last war in 1945, but we’ve had soldiers fighting and dying in dozens of countries ever since.

Fossil fuels and unregulated pollution is proven to be destroying the recent period of relative climate stability and fossil fuel companies are getting paid by the government to stay in business.

America produces enough food to feed the entire country(and probably several others) but created laws that force you to throw it away.

Bigger the event, bigger the plot holes.

GnomeKat ,
@GnomeKat@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

The best thing these unrecognized christians “doing God’s work” you say exist could be doing to help the world right now is to be actively and vocally trying to oppose the Christians that are currently very loudly advocating for fascism. There is literally no bigger threat right now. There is a clear imbalance in voices in the Christian community. The good Christians could be just as loud if they wanted, they could be setting an example, but they aren’t. People always say it’s just a “few” loud voices when talking about the bad things being said, if it only takes a few to be that loud then why the fuck are the good ones silent?

Nahvi ,

How does it feel to be on the same side as most preachers and weekly church-goers?

Few things drives them more nuts than people who call themselves Christians and don’t even attempt to be followers of Christ. Trying and failing is one thing, and always an embarrassment to the church, but living like the worst dregs of society, while using that name, is worse than an intentional smear campaign.

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