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Montagge ,
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If most people are good why doesn't the world get better without violence?

lol3droflxp ,
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There’s a saying in German that my grandmother sometimes used, it roughly translates to “The person is good but the people are bad” (Der Mensch ist gut, aber die Leut sind schlecht).

EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted ,
@EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I like that.

Another quote that comes to mind is this, from the movie Men in Black (1997):

A person is smart; people are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it.

– Tommy Lee Jones, as Agent K

dudinax ,

“Germans: so estimable in the individual, so execrable in the aggregate”. – paraphrase of Goethe

kaj ,

Most people regularly eat dead animals, so violence is still everywhere. In fact, there’s more now than ever before. :(

mdhughes ,
@mdhughes@lemmy.ml avatar

Would you prefer they eat live animals?

kaj ,

Edgy!

Skoobie ,
@Skoobie@lemmy.film avatar

The Space Race ended without closing ceremonies.

jmcs ,

That happens when goal posts are moved until both sides lose interest.

oo1 ,

duck billed platypus

Meho_Nohome ,
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That one on 25th Street that I hit the other day. Oh wait, you said “plot”. Nevermind.

magnetosphere ,
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The Trump storyline is taking way too long to reach a definitive conclusion, and I’m not even confident that it will be a particularly satisfying one.

boatswain ,

I know time got weird with the pandemic, but that was not actually before 1990, believe it or not.

magnetosphere ,
@magnetosphere@kbin.social avatar

Ha ha ha I totally misread the title. I thought it was 1990 and beyond. Whoops! Thanks for pointing that out!

grabyourmotherskeys ,

I mean I was aware of him before 1990 and really could not understand how he was famous or successful. My brother is older than me and Trump came up on the news one day and he said “he’s either a criminal or his bankers are idiots”. We grew up quite a ways from NYC if you’re wondering.

The older you are the more insane this timeline seems. I knew he’d get elected. Racism and sexism put him over the top. Still felt like I was going crazy watching it.

CeruleanRuin ,

Spoilers for future seasons: they try pretty hard to replicate the ratings bonanza of Chancellor Hitler storyline, but it veers way off into weird nonsense, and instead of any sort of satisfying conclusion eventually everyone just gets tired of him and he spends his last years muttering to himself at increasingly sadder and sadder rallies for his remaining geriatric fans.

CeruleanRuin ,

That statement was also true before 1990, though.

killeronthecorner ,
@killeronthecorner@lemmy.world avatar

The popularity of Harry Styles

520 ,

Lead singer of a mega famous boyband and one of Taylor Swift's most famous exes.

cheese_greater ,

We’ve def got a real mystery on our hands, Grommit

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Which was tough to achieve before 1990, but Harold Styles of Sioux Falls South Dakota pulled it off.

That guy was a king in South Dakota.

GnomeKat ,
@GnomeKat@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

The low entropy of the past

shinigamiookamiryuu ,

Where all the aliens are.

potato_lemon , (edited )
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Hard problem of consciousness

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qualia/

We experience first-person sensations (consciousness/qualia) and it’s a big mystery what’s up with that.

Rukmer ,

My 6 year old was asking me about this a few weeks ago. He’s asking, how do our minds work? How did we come to be thinking and feeling and thinking about thinking? He says, “I know we’re made of cells, but how did the cells… find their voice?” He’s so fun.

Like a year prior to this, I stayed up all night trying to Google it, I guess for some reason I thought the answer would be a little clearer but apparently it’s highly debated and mostly unknown.

FooBarrington ,

One approach that I’m reasonably sure is correct is “emergence”. A bunch of simple systems come together in a way that forms a more complex system than any of its individual parts. You can find this in many areas:

  • computers are made up of very simple basic units that come together to do incredible things
  • games can have simple systems that produce complex behaviour when taken together
  • biological systems follow similar patterns

It just seems right that consciousness isn’t something that evolved as a standalone thing, but instead is the result of more and more simple systems coming together. We didn’t wake up screaming one night in the face of the sheer terror of existence, it was a choir that gradually got louder :)

Hadriscus ,

We didn’t wake up screaming one night in the face of the sheer terror of existence

speak for yourself

Rukmer ,

Thanks for the ideas/explanation.

Zippy ,

Feeding incubated humans to produce more energy than what is inputted.

Couldn’t they just suggest the computer overlord prime directive was hard-coded to keep humans alive at whatever cost?

dion_starfire ,

Originally the machines were going to use human brains for processing, but apparently the explanation was deemed too technical, so they changed it to some mumbo jumbo about power, which also let them use the nickname Coppertop.

Zippy ,

That is even better. Making humans into some perpetual energy machine seemed silly. If you are going to break a fundamental law of physics, why not use animals. At least they won’t fight back.

TotallyHuman OP ,

Although…

MORPHEUS: Where did you hear about the laws of thermodynamics, Neo?

NEO: Anyone who’s made it past one science class in high school ought to know about the laws of thermodynamics!

MORPHEUS: Where did you go to high school, Neo?

(Pause.)

NEO: …in the Matrix.

MORPHEUS: The machines tell elegant lies.

(Pause.)

NEO (in a small voice): Could I please have a real physics textbook?

MORPHEUS: There is no such thing, Neo. The universe doesn’t run on math.

Zippy ,

Thanks for the reference. I couldn’t recall exactly how it was explained. Certainly most sci-fi requires you to suspend belief and that is fine. Often there are technologies employed to make a movie interesting. Technologies that are very unlikely to be possible.

In the Matrix, everyone was in a virtual reality and as you quoted, they could have entirely made up physics as we know it. Possibly a perpetual motion machine is viable in the real universe and that is the belief you need to suspend. Which again is fine But it is such a weak minor plot. If that were possible, why use humans? It should be possible with some algae slurry or by mechanical methods or as said, just use animals. Non if them would be a threat. In other words, what makes humans so unique that only they alone can fill this function?

As someone said earlier, the books suggested the computers wanted the processing power of the human brain. That is a fairly easy concept to explain, is an item unique to humans alone and actually in a far future society, might be something that is truely possible. It hardly required you to even suspend belief. Not sure why they didn’t go with that.

TotallyHuman OP ,

Yeah, I like the idea of using humans for computing. Or that they don’t want us dead. I just thought that the idea that all of Matrix-physics is a lie to be such a mind screw that I had to include it.

socsa , (edited )

Jet fuel can’t melt steel beams 😔

Edit - too soon?

crapwittyname ,

Gross

redballooon ,

That’s not a plot hole, even after 1990. There’s no reason to melt it. Weakening is enough.

crapwittyname ,

It’s too soon to be sure you mean it ironically. Did you?

son_named_bort ,

Well yeah, the question specified 1990 or before.

JusticeForPorygon ,
@JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Id argue the last season ended with the US withdrawal from Afghanistan, if the season started with 9/11.

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