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potato_lemon , (edited )
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Hard problem of consciousness

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qualia/

We experience first-person sensations (consciousness/qualia) and it’s a big mystery what’s up with that.

Rukmer ,

My 6 year old was asking me about this a few weeks ago. He’s asking, how do our minds work? How did we come to be thinking and feeling and thinking about thinking? He says, “I know we’re made of cells, but how did the cells… find their voice?” He’s so fun.

Like a year prior to this, I stayed up all night trying to Google it, I guess for some reason I thought the answer would be a little clearer but apparently it’s highly debated and mostly unknown.

FooBarrington ,

One approach that I’m reasonably sure is correct is “emergence”. A bunch of simple systems come together in a way that forms a more complex system than any of its individual parts. You can find this in many areas:

  • computers are made up of very simple basic units that come together to do incredible things
  • games can have simple systems that produce complex behaviour when taken together
  • biological systems follow similar patterns

It just seems right that consciousness isn’t something that evolved as a standalone thing, but instead is the result of more and more simple systems coming together. We didn’t wake up screaming one night in the face of the sheer terror of existence, it was a choir that gradually got louder :)

Hadriscus ,

We didn’t wake up screaming one night in the face of the sheer terror of existence

speak for yourself

Rukmer ,

Thanks for the ideas/explanation.

Zippy ,

Feeding incubated humans to produce more energy than what is inputted.

Couldn’t they just suggest the computer overlord prime directive was hard-coded to keep humans alive at whatever cost?

dion_starfire ,

Originally the machines were going to use human brains for processing, but apparently the explanation was deemed too technical, so they changed it to some mumbo jumbo about power, which also let them use the nickname Coppertop.

Zippy ,

That is even better. Making humans into some perpetual energy machine seemed silly. If you are going to break a fundamental law of physics, why not use animals. At least they won’t fight back.

TotallyHuman OP ,

Although…

MORPHEUS: Where did you hear about the laws of thermodynamics, Neo?

NEO: Anyone who’s made it past one science class in high school ought to know about the laws of thermodynamics!

MORPHEUS: Where did you go to high school, Neo?

(Pause.)

NEO: …in the Matrix.

MORPHEUS: The machines tell elegant lies.

(Pause.)

NEO (in a small voice): Could I please have a real physics textbook?

MORPHEUS: There is no such thing, Neo. The universe doesn’t run on math.

Zippy ,

Thanks for the reference. I couldn’t recall exactly how it was explained. Certainly most sci-fi requires you to suspend belief and that is fine. Often there are technologies employed to make a movie interesting. Technologies that are very unlikely to be possible.

In the Matrix, everyone was in a virtual reality and as you quoted, they could have entirely made up physics as we know it. Possibly a perpetual motion machine is viable in the real universe and that is the belief you need to suspend. Which again is fine But it is such a weak minor plot. If that were possible, why use humans? It should be possible with some algae slurry or by mechanical methods or as said, just use animals. Non if them would be a threat. In other words, what makes humans so unique that only they alone can fill this function?

As someone said earlier, the books suggested the computers wanted the processing power of the human brain. That is a fairly easy concept to explain, is an item unique to humans alone and actually in a far future society, might be something that is truely possible. It hardly required you to even suspend belief. Not sure why they didn’t go with that.

TotallyHuman OP ,

Yeah, I like the idea of using humans for computing. Or that they don’t want us dead. I just thought that the idea that all of Matrix-physics is a lie to be such a mind screw that I had to include it.

GnomeKat ,
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The low entropy of the past

Moghul ,

The universe is not locally real*.

*Locality and reality are defined in specific ways within quantum physics, and “not locally real” doesn’t necessarily mean ‘illusory’ as you might expect. Look into it, it’s some crazy shit.

Thisfox ,

A few Prime Ministers have been peculiar plotholes. Harold Holt just disappeared. Whitlam got taken out by a madman influenced by the yanks and nominally working for the Queen. Sometimes it seems the writers just get bored of the storyline and drop stuff.

DeltaTangoLima ,
@DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com avatar

Lol - found my fellow Aussie!

dudinax ,

Probably the stars that are older than the universe.

Vendetta9076 ,
@Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works avatar

What

flying_sheep ,
@flying_sheep@lemmy.ml avatar

IIRC, they’re too big to have formed in one of the ways we know and then continuously lost matter at the the rate they should have.

So one or more of the assumptions about how they could have formed or how they lost matter over time is wrong, right?

DokPsy ,

Nope. Older than the universe. Can’t weasel your way out of this one science boy

dudinax ,

Or we have the age of the universe wrong.

PP_BOY_ ,
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Why would they just confirm all the fan theories about the world elite running a massive illegal money laundering ring spanning the globe, and follow it up by proving that the same elite are trafficking children for sex acts if they didn’t plan to go anywhere with that storyline?

meyotch ,

It’s like the way they left Deadwood. They set it up for a righteous proper class war and then suddenly the series was cancelled.

Legolution ,

But they made a movie episode, in 2019, to try to finally round off the series (all the actors returned). Check it out, if you didn’t catch it. It wasn’t perfect, obviously, but it was an admirable attempt.

ChaoticEntropy ,
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Well… Epstein died and thus all wrongdoing and culpability died with him. Duh.

JusticeForPorygon ,
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Id argue the last season ended with the US withdrawal from Afghanistan, if the season started with 9/11.

quinkin ,

The whole wrapping up world war 2 using “the gadget” just reeks of writers struggling to wrap up after writing themselves into a corner.

JusticeForPorygon ,
@JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Legend Of Korra season 4 vibes

100 ,

The end of WW2 was a complex political issue, and the atomic bombs were not the ‘press here, end war’ that most of us believe.

The Japanese we’re holding out hope (stupidly) that the Soviet Union would negotiate a conditional surrender with the united States as the end of the imperial system was unacceptable to them. The US had floated that if there was an unconditional surrender, that the imperial system would stay intact, but wanted it to seem like a US condition, not a Japanese one, because that would be a conditional surrender.

The Soviets always intended to invade, but were held by a nonaggression pact they made with the Japanese. The US pressured the Soviets very hard to violate this and invade Manchuria.

There was literally a Japanese war cabinet convened already when news of Nagasaki reached them. We have actual primary source for their reactions. They did not care.

Only once the second bomb dropped and Manchuria was invaded did some of the cabinet manage to convince the emporer to intervene which was extremely rare.

czl ,
@czl@lemmy.noice.social avatar

Bro, facts be ruining the joke. I’m not here to learn.

Delicious_Tomatoes ,

There’s a video by Shaun that taught me pretty much all of this for the first time. It’s kinda sad that my history education was like “Bombs dropped, war over”

GreasyTengu ,
@GreasyTengu@sh.itjust.works avatar

The writers keep doing this shit.

The Berlin Wall arc just abruptly ended because they announced that East Germans could freely travel to the west and ‘conveniently’ forgot to mention there were still some regulations. Then the Border guards ‘conveniently’ said “fuck it” and let people pass without checking passports.

They built up the Epstein island arc like mad only to end it with him killing himself in prison and then never mention it again.

PlutoniumAcid ,
@PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world avatar

Eppstein didn’t kill himself.

TransplantedSconie ,

The fact the Pepsi at one point had the 6th largest military in the world, and did nothing to conquer Coca-Cola.

Like, why even start that storyline if you dont take it to the inevitable conclusion?

thisbenzingring ,

Pepsi has also made huge profits in Russia since the west started sanctions.

TransplantedSconie ,

Yes, they have. That’s why I don’t buy their products anymore.

nieceandtows ,

I don’t know about this series, but I play a game with the same name and absolutely hate it. It’s hugely pay to win with permadeath and the grind has nowhere near the payoff for the amount of effort you put in.

Skoobie ,
@Skoobie@lemmy.film avatar

The Space Race ended without closing ceremonies.

jmcs ,

That happens when goal posts are moved until both sides lose interest.

usualsuspect191 ,

The details around the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand really jump the shark. Must’ve been a drug-fueled writing session on that one

TotallyHuman OP ,

When that one aired I assumed they were going to genre-shift into dark comedy or slapstick, but they… really, really didn’t.

Tippon ,

You haven’t seen Blackadder? I thought the whole plot was a set up to the series.

thisbenzingring ,

one drunk dude with a pistol changing the course of the whole world?

Mirodir ,

Don’t ignore the whole other stuff with the failed bombing etc.

From wikipedia:

At 10:10 am,[75] Franz Ferdinand’s car approached and Čabrinović threw his bomb. The bomb bounced off the folded back convertible cover into the street.[76] The bomb’s timed detonator caused it to explode under the next car, putting that car out of action, leaving a 1-foot-diameter (0.30 m), 6.5-inch-deep (170 mm) crater,[75] and wounding 16–20 people.[77]

Čabrinović swallowed his cyanide pill and jumped into the Miljacka river. Čabrinović’s suicide attempt failed, as the old cyanide only induced vomiting, and the Miljacka was only 13 cm deep due to the hot, dry summer.[78] Police dragged Čabrinović out of the river, and he was severely beaten by the crowd before being taken into custody.

Just the mental image of him chucking himself into a river after the failed bombing and then also failing his suicide on two fronts…

h3mlocke ,

Lmfaooo

ChaoticEntropy ,
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This is why you buy the 2nd cheapest cyanide pills, not the cheapest.

flying_sheep ,
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Not at all. Things were a powder keg. If it wouldn’t have blown at that point, then shortly thereafter.

mdhughes ,
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“The War to End All Wars” was a good season finale, but then just 20 years later they made a sequel with bigger effects budget and openly evil villains. Lazy writing. And the way things have been written towards WWIII but then backing off is a long season tease.

ExplanationExtreme ,

What did drugs ever do to start a war???

Susaga ,
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Well, the British were able to use drugs to start a war on China once. All in the name of cheap tea.

djmarcone ,

Some would say the fentanyl problem right now is payback for the opium thing

ShaggySnacks ,

Because Dewey Cox never once paid for drugs.

oo1 ,

duck billed platypus

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