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JimmyBigSausage ,

The anti-Americanism. We are not all the same.

krolden ,
@krolden@lemmy.ml avatar

You’re just not paying attention

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s more anti-America than anti-American.

Cryophilia ,

Still, dogmatism in any form is a plague. Pro Americanism, anti Americanism, whatever. Ignoring facts to suit your chosen narrative is gross.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Who says people are ignoring facts in order to have a strong stance?

Cryophilia ,

Me? Just now?

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Why do you believe people who have a strong stance must be ignoring facts to have a strong stance?

Cryophilia ,

Straw man. Or misunderstanding.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

You admitted it, that’s why I am asking.

Cryophilia ,

You declared a causality that I did not intend to imply.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Still, dogmatism in any form is a plague. Pro Americanism, anti Americanism, whatever. Ignoring facts to suit your chosen narrative is gross.

You are directly implying that pro-americanism and anti-americanism are dogmatism, and that these stances necessarily ignore facts to suit their chosen narrative.

You can elaborate what you meant here.

Even if you did not intend on implying this, you did introduce the concept of dogmatism to a conversation surrounding how Lemmy generally leans anti-America, inserting on your hand an implication that this is due to dogmatism. You’re accusing the average Lemmy user of dogmatism by association, simply for holding an anti-America stance.

Cryophilia ,

That’s what I meant by causality. Pro-americanism and anti-americanism are not inherently dogmatic. It’s just that the anti-american sentiments I see on lemmy are usually dogmatic. It’s an observational theorem, not a derived one.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

So it’s a vibe you personally feel, and wished to interject unrelated, got it.

Bongles ,

How is it not related?

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

“Anti-Americanism is bad” -> “It’s not really Anti-American, it’s Anti-America” -> “Dogmatism and belief in something while ignoring countering facts is bad”

It’s an assertion of dogmatism on the Anti-America crowd with no real frame of reference.

muntedcrocodile ,
@muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee avatar

Id like more right wingers. Not in a i like them kind of a way in a i want lemmy more representative of the population kind of way. I also think we really need to be pushing harder on the free speach free marketplace of ideas we have created.

hitmyspot ,

Lemmy is pretty international. We have right wingers here, but it’s not really representative. The USA right wingers only make up a small portion of worldwide population, so don’t stress. It’s not an echo chamber.

tobogganablaze ,

It’s not an echo chamber.

Right, it’s more like a reverberation chamber.

xmunk ,

Yea, I think the American bubble makes people think their political spectrum is normal… while the Democrats would be a right or centrist party pretty much anywhere else in the world.

shapesandstuff ,

Dems are center right for sure

ShittyBeatlesFCPres ,

I get what you’re saying but I like that Lemmy has a left wing bias (with a dash of libertarians). If it was the dominant media site, I’d agree about the echo chamber risk but so much media (in the English speaking world, anyway) is under right wing ownership now. Having a handful of sites that are a refuge from it all is a feature for me, not a bug. It’s an escape from the echo chamber.

SkaveRat ,

I like that Lemmy has a left wing bias

it currently feels exactly like pre-2014 reddit. in a good way

Cryophilia ,

No, it absolutely does not. Lemmy has a LOT of groupthink, just a different type of groupthink than the norm.

Reddit pre 2014 was the wild fucking west. You’d have some girl posting about why she likes sticking goat intestines up her butt and the comments would be all “it’s not my thing but I can see your point of view”. People were selling heroin on a public forum. There was a sub called something like “fiftyfifty” where you click on a link and it’s either a cute bunny or some dude getting beheaded, no blurring or censorship just full gruesome decapitation. The most popular sub was called “jailbait” for chrissake.

Like, kids today cannot comprehend how sanitised everything is. You are locked in a box. Lemmy is a different box than reddit is a different box than Instagram is a different box than Facebook is a different box than Twitter. You don’t know what freedom is. You will never know. It’s exhilarating and terrifying. But all you can do nowadays is pick a different box.

SkaveRat ,

Exactly. Like I said

Cryophilia ,

It’s just a different echo chamber though.

shapesandstuff ,

I think generally the community-driven, communal decentralized open concept kind of clashes at least with far right & neo lib thinking.

muntedcrocodile ,
@muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee avatar

How its the ultimate embodiment of free speach the marketplace of ideals and competition. Id classify these as liberal ideas but ive notices a lot of the Americanised left wing doeant seem to agree with these anymore.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Leftism refers to collective ownership of the Means of Production, Rightism refers to individual ownership. Reddit is Capitalist, Lemmy is the Leftist answer to it.

There is no “competition” on Lemmy because there’s no profit and no production.

Cryophilia ,

There’s no monetary profit, but I could absolutely see competition for whose ideas gain the most support.

And the Fediverse does not collectively own all the instances. Each instance is created and supported by an individual or small group of individuals.

You can even see the failures of unregulated capitslism in how lemmy (especially lemmy.ml and lemmy.world) are consolidating users and engagement. Unregulated capitalism trends towards monopoly.

It’s an extremely apt metaphor for capitalism.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

There’s no monetary profit, but I could absolutely see competition for whose ideas gain the most support.

Capitalism is not “competition,” it is a specific mode of production. Competition exists outside Capitalism.

And the Fediverse does not collectively own all the instances. Each instance is created and supported by an individual or small group of individuals.

The source code is open and free, ergo people can do what they want. The underlying tools are accessible to anyone, the instances are not “production” nor do they exist for exchange.

You can even see the failures of unregulated capitslism in how lemmy (especially lemmy.ml and lemmy.world) are consolidating users and engagement. Unregulated capitalism trends towards monopoly.

There is no Capitalism on Lemmy, lmao.

It’s an extremely apt metaphor for capitalism.

No it isn’t.

Cryophilia ,

The source code is open and free, ergo people can do what they want.

You really don’t see the parallels between this statement and “anyone can become a millionaire”?

Not everyone has the opportunity or the skillset to “do what they want” with the source code. I’m not a coder. How can I do whatever I want? I’m beholden to the structures that other people build.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

You really don’t see the parallels between this statement and “anyone can become a millionaire”?

There’s a chance you could stumble onto a point if Lemmy was profit-driven.

Not everyone has the opportunity or the skillset to “do what they want” with the source code. I’m not a coder. How can I do whatever I want? I’m beholden to the structures that other people build.

You don’t need to be in order to be able to download the source code. Skills are not ownership.

Cryophilia ,

Sure I can downland a thing. But what can I DO with it?

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Whatever you want. You’re drawing conclusions that do not follow.

shapesandstuff ,

(neo) liberalism isn’t really a leftist ideology, not sure about american specifics.

MagicShel ,

I don’t think you deserve to be so heavily downvoted, but also Christ it’s nice to have a refuge where I don’t have to constantly hate humanity. Particularly when so often it’s simply not possible to have a genuine conversation because folks are spitting out talking points and ignoring facts. Which the left does as well but at least they don’t make me want to go on a murderous rampage. Usually.

muntedcrocodile ,
@muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee avatar

Yeah i get what u mean about the extremists. But honestly the tankie extremists are just as bad. Their denial of genocide by the ccp is particularly bad. Ive been told that people are willingly choosing to go to ccp reeducation centers.

MagicShel ,

That last bit feels very unlikely or a total distortion. Not because I’m looking to argue, but I also happen to be human (meaning I think this applies universally to all humans regardless of any particular philosophy) and that sounds incredibly tedious and I can’t believe that’s the sort of thing any other human would spend their valuable time doing. I’d rather fold my laundry, and I fucking hate folding laundry.

Freefall ,

More here than R**dit. As a pro-gun Libral (pro-pistol), I had a great chat with a hard-line anti-gun person on here. On Reddit, I would have risked being permabanned for being a maga racist by an idiot mod, then had zero recourse against the idiot mod (totally not a bitter anecdote…).

Here, if I have a heated debate with a conservative, as long as it doesn’t get hostile, I can keep communicating and trying to help them understand my points instead of suddenly talking to [deleted] about [deleted] because some shit mod didn’t like their views.

Vaggumon ,
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I’d love people on Limmy would quit posting links to Reddit.

intensely_human ,

I’d love it if we let it develop organically.

LouNeko ,

Posts that are just a link to another forum. I don’t remember which community it was exactly but every community post was just a link to the respective forum thread on the posts topic.

TheImpressiveX ,
@TheImpressiveX@lemmy.ml avatar

Was it !hackernews?

LouNeko ,

Yes, I think it is.

MagicShel ,

There are one or two servers where all they do is repost content from the other place and links with bots. I blocked those servers. There is never any discussion on those posts so I never saw the point.

Xtallll ,
@Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I want less big general instances, and more small niche ones like StarTrek.website or MTGzone.com.

Emperor ,
@Emperor@feddit.uk avatar

Me too, I’m working on encouraging it. Progress is slow.

match ,
@match@pawb.social avatar

lemmyworld and lemmyml must burn

Shellbeach ,

What are the differences if you come come from one instance or the other and why those 2 in particular should burn?

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Lemmy.world is overwhelmingly Liberal (think Reddit 2), Lemmy.ml is largely Marxist, plus FOSS and Privacy enthusiasts.

I assume they believe that as large, catch-all instances, they are slowing growth of smaller, more niche interests.

ssm ,
@ssm@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

fewer reposts from reddit, fewer reddit copycat communities, fewer redditors.

Pacattack57 ,

100%. I don’t know why people, who are presumably banned from Reddit or left Reddit for reasons, want bring over the same garbage they left for.

Feathercrown ,

We like to emulate Reddit for no good reason

Aria ,

A complete excision of all overlap with USA culture.

frauddogg , (edited )
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Bet; If it gets y’all global whites to take AAVE out your mouths and divest from the collective you’s pale (hah) emulations of Black culture, I’m all for it, please, go elsewhere and figure out your own bag

Bad enough Amerikan whites pocket our slang, our manifold genres of music, AND our clothing styles, we don’t need any more European white, Korean, or Japanese Milli Vanillis Elvis-ing our shit

mark , (edited )
@mark@programming.dev avatar

Still trying to figure out how a comment about USA culture suddenly becomes a white vs black race issue… “culture” doesnt equal “race”. Especially in the context of a discussion of an entire country.

frauddogg ,
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

I want the liberals to go back to their homes negl

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Lemmy.world and its consequences…

frauddogg ,
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Nah facts. I’d even be able to tolerate the posters from .ee and .works, but with .world in the mix too I just want 'em all gone.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

You’d tolerate .works? You’re more patient than I am.

frauddogg ,
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

I actually do try to be is the thing, but at current rate of redditor horseshit I have to read because of the western lib alliance, I’m probably going to run out of that patience around the same time the Social Security fund runs dry.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Fair enough, the reddit crowd sure is something.

Poots ,

I would love to stop seeing posts in other languages pop up in my feed constantly - just some type of feature to help organize the languages of each instance a bit better.

Don’t be afraid to block instances if you would like to see less politics and doom scrolling. I listen to NPR and read my local news, so I don’t need to see all that here as well. I just want gratuitous memes and good convos about nothing important with internet strangers.

dessalines ,

There’s some language features in lemmy now, but honestly country/language based servers are probably the best way, probably using a helper like we’ve added here.

There are a lot of country-specific servers now: feddit.it, feddit.dk, jlai.lu, lemmy.eco.br, feddit.nl, etc.

xilliah ,

It seems I often don’t get stuff in my inbox that should be there. Like direct replies. But honestly, I’d also like to get notifications for sibling posts or replies to replies and so on. I just want to subscribe to that discussion.

Another thing is that sometimes eternity forgets where I was doom scrolling, and it takes me forever to get back to that point. I probably just clicked away from the feed or closed all my apps.

mark ,
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I’d also like to get notifications for sibling posts or replies to replies and so on. I just want to subscribe to that discussion.

Not sure if you use RSS feeds, but you can easily get one for any Lemmy discussion and subscribe to it. Here’s an RSS feed for this discussion, for example.

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