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Greensleeves is almost 500 years old. I'm sure there were other very popular songs when it came out, but Greensleeves had to staying power to still be here. What do you think is today's Greensleeves?

Not just a song that can be found in the archives, but one that almost everyone can hum, even today.

(Somebody asked what was meant by “today’s…” Throw whatever you want out, somebody tossed out “Love me tender” as being a tune from in the 1860s.)

Shaleesh ,
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As much as I want TiK ToK by Kesha to be a recognizable tune in half a millenia I know that’s not happening. Personal Jesus by Depeche Mode is one of the most covered songs of the past 50 years so that very well may become immortalized through diffusion alone. There’s a couple dozen jazz standards that could have that kind of staying power as well, especially considering their ubiquity in performance repitoires and books of sheet music.

LaGG_3 ,
@LaGG_3@hexbear.net avatar

As much as I want TiK ToK by Kesha to be a recognizable tune in half a millenia I know that’s not happening.

I heard it on the radio recently and they censored the beginning:

Wake up in the morning feeling like [redacted]

Melatonin OP ,

??? Why

LaGG_3 ,
@LaGG_3@hexbear.net avatar

P Diddy/Sean Combs has a lot of ongoing allegations right now

ouRKaoS ,

I heard a live performance where the line was changed to:

Wake up in the morning saying Fuck P Diddy

PaulSmackage ,
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Bored music teacher in 2200: “and here children, we find the most important contributions to late 20th centure music: a phonograph of Depeche Mode’s Violator.”

mindbleach ,

I can only hope, deep into the future, some dork leans toward his friend and mutters “101 was better.”

lolcatnip ,

Anyone who would say that would say Black Celebration instead.

mindbleach ,

I would’ve said Songs Of Faith And Devotion, but a short name made a better gag, and I could not bring myself to say Ultra.

And seriously, 101 fucking rules. It’s an energetic best-of before they asked themselves what made them special and stripped back everything for the iconoclastic rose album everyone knows them for. Which is okay.

On reflection, far from sober, it is surprising the Deftones have never covered “In Your Room.”

lolcatnip ,

Funny. Seems like you see Violator as the start of a new era for them, and I see it as the end of the classic era. There are isolated songs I like after Violator, but no whole albums. (For reference, SoFaD was their newest album when I started listening, and I got it as the same time as Violator.)

choco_crispies ,

I agree with you. To me, Violator was the last album of the 2nd generation of their sound, the first being a lot more New Wave. Although, I do think the shift from New Wave to the more techno industrial 2nd era was more gradual.

mindbleach ,

Violator is a band asking themselves what they’re about and finding a crystal clear answer. The result is deliberately transitional. In going to the extremes, in excising everything that is not strictly necessary, they built a framework for a sound that is distinctly their own, without being more of what they’d already done.

Songs Of Faith And Devotion is bombastic, but all its power is built on that same crisp restraint. Especially in the 90s - it would have been easy to be louder and busier just by adding a little distortion, a little fuzz, a little taste of metal or grunge. Instead they stuck with clean synths and tasteful reverb, but made them fucking hit. (By contrast, see Playing The Angel. Or don’t.)

Ultra does the opposite trick, applying that sparse soundscape to more-general instrumentation. It kinda works. Exciter does a better job of it, but still stumbles on tracks like “Dead Of Night” and “Comatose.” Good demos! How long until they’re complete? Oh. (“Freelove” nearly makes up for all of it.)

Everything after that… look, I actually like Playing The Angel, but I’m the kind of mutant who sincerely argues that Violator was merely okay. And even I can’t find any love for Delta Machine.

All their work leading up to Violator was much more organic than how they made Violator. Their masterpiece, in the sense of getting their shit together and being taken seriously, was Construction Time Again, with “Everything Counts” as a tentpole. Some Great Reward was Gore going ‘oh we can get real weird with this, huh’ and leaning way the hell into the kink and the darkness, god bless him. Black Celebration was the peak of that arc.

Music For The Masses never rises to quite the same level, but in that album you can see the transition forming. “Behind The Wheel” is probably the crescendo of their old sound. Y’know, synthpop where someone’s credited for playing the trash can. And then immediately there’s “To Have And To Hold,” which is maybe one degree too loose for Violator. It is emblematic of the sound they wanted.

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

hot to go

beejboytyson ,

You can take me ❤️

KammicRelief ,

lol! I jokingly thought of that song when I clicked in here. Definitely the most catchy thing around rn.

lenz ,

Happy Birthday, Pop Goes the Weasel, Auld Lang Syne, Here Comes the Bride are obviously here to stay. Lots of Christmas music has potential as well: Jingle Bells, and POSSIBLY Feliz Navidad by José Feliciano, as well as All I Want for Christmas is You by Mariah Carey.

But I also think Barbie Girl by Aqua has a decent chance of being practically universal. In that vein, maybe the Hampster Dance too, but idk. Dragostea Din Tei?

I think the real answer though is that most of the popular songs are probably ones that are connected to specific uses outside of the song itself. Pop Goes the Weasel is used in like, every pop-goes-the-weasel type toy, and even in movies when something scary is about to pop out at you. Happy Birthday is literally sung at every birthday. (That reminds me of For He’s a Jolly Good Fellow as well.) Auld Lang Syne is a popular New Years song across the world at this point. Here Comes the Bride at every wedding, etc. Maybe National Anthems will also hold the test of time, depending on if the nation lasts long enough and doesn’t change its anthem.

The point is, if it’s a practical and traditional tune it’s more likely to last, I think.

Oh. I forgot Reveille which is the military wake-up call bugle song lmao

AngryCommieKender ,

I think more people would be familiar with “Call to Post,” than “Reveille.” Dunno. I guess it depends on how many scouts and military members there are vs horse racing fans.

pingveno ,

Dragostea Din Tei

I don’t think that one outlasts the next couple decades. Yeah, it’s fun and the lyrics are weird, but Romanian isn’t all that widely spoken, so the vast majority of the world population cannot sing it.

cheers_queers ,

IDK, i was obsessed with that song as a teenager and learned to enunciate the whole song without knowing what it said. but, i have 99 Luftballons on my personal playlist so maybe i just like catchy foreign songs lol

pingveno ,

Oh, I totally get it, I loved it too. I just don’t think it will stick in quite the same way when people don’t have lyrics to attach to the song. Like, I can’t play it at karaoke night.

flubo ,

Probably a Jazz song since the musicians often cover the same Songs over and over again and thats how they could stay very long? Dont know which one though. A Train? Misty?

AngryCommieKender ,

O Fortuna, Carmina Burana.

The poem was written in the medieval period, but finally set to music in 1935-1936. It still took till the 1970s to be used in TV/Film and became so widely used, it is now known as the most overused piece of music in film history.

lud ,

It’s not overused, it’s just used a lot (not that I have heard it in anyway)

AngryCommieKender ,

“O Fortuna” has been called “the most overused piece of music in film history”, and Harper’s Magazine columnist Scott Horton has commented that “Orff’s setting may have been spoiled by its popularization” and its use “in movies and commercials often as a jingle, detached in any meaningful way from its powerful message.”

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_Fortuna

I’m not the one that called it that.

myrrh ,

House of the Rising Sun

RBWells ,

Please God, no.

AngryCommieKender ,

But to the tune of Amazing Grace

/s

dQw4w9WgXcQ ,

Fly me to the Moon - Frank Sinatra

Simple, yet very recognizable melody. Easy to whistle, but could also be extended to a whole orchestra with vocals.

SLfgb ,

Bella Ciao

menemen , (edited )
@menemen@lemmy.world avatar

Imo Greensoeeves mostly endured because it can be perfectly whistled by everyone and still be played by professional musicians in a way that awes the audience.

This will probably not be th reason why current songs will stay arround. If society doesn’t break down, I assume that every popular melody, be it from the US, China or Lebanon, will stay around and get reused every ~30 years to grab some quick money.

Silentiea ,
@Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

This MF: Greensleeves can be perfectly whistled by everyone

Me: can’t even whistle Mary has a little lamb

rf_ ,

7 nation army by the white stripes. It gets played after a goal is scored in football stadiums across the world.

baatliwala ,

Don’t forget Freed from Desire

CanadaPlus ,

Yeah, choosing something that will end up in the background of a lot of archives and memories is probably as good a strategy as any.

ouRKaoS ,

I have a feeling that this will be one that everyone knows, but doesn’t know the title of, like Power House by Raymond Scott.

CanadaPlus ,

Link.

GeneralEmergency ,

Sweet Caroline is getting that way for Football. Especially now that the English nicked it from us

SpruceBringsteen ,

Not even after goals. It’s like the wave, you can start it up at most sporting events with the help of four other people.

Venator ,

We will rock you by Queen another contender for similar reasons.

feedum_sneedson , (edited )

Creep by Radiohead, imagine how much that would annoy Thom Yorke.

Venator ,

Probably helps to be featured or mentioned in other notable media, as greensleaves is mentioned in Shakespeare, and creep is part of the fight club soundtrack, so it has that going for it I guess 😅

Tikiporch ,

You won’t like the answer, but I’ll tell you anyway.

It’s The Macarena, by Los Del Rio.

pyre ,

i don’t think so considering your the first and the only one who has even mentioned the song in the last 65 years.

Tikiporch ,

Unfortunately, that’s entirely untrue. I don’t think you’ve put any effort into this exercise at all.

PeterLossGeorgeWall , (edited )

I don’t know what it is but I hear it at sports stadiums. Duh duh duh duh- duh duh duh-duh It repeats

Edit: I’ve just found out it’s called papas got a brand new pigbag.

mindbleach , (edited )

“Seven Nation Army” by The White Stripes.

linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

I know it’s not the song that you’re saying but I read that in Suzanne Vega - Tom’s diner tone

lolcatnip ,

There’s a surprisingly good cover of it by Britney Spears.

PeterLossGeorgeWall ,

There is a better cover by AnnenMayKantereit, imo.

kholby ,

Kernkraft 400

klemptor ,
@klemptor@startrek.website avatar

Bohemian Rhapsody

ghost_of_faso2 ,
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merzbow

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