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zippycat9 ,

that money would absolutely NOT be going to raises

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

It sure as hell shouldn’t. Punishing all of your employees because someone is doing nitrous in the walk-in?

I worked in more than one kitchen where half the whipped cream cans didn’t dispense.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

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henfredemars ,

The beatings will continue.

MrVilliam ,

Punishing all of your employees because someone is doing nitrous in the walk-in?

Collective punishment is a war crime. Send Miranda to The Hague. /s

But really, Miranda fucking sucks and I hope everybody quits that shitty boss and gets a better job with a boss who doesn’t try to gaslight them into infighting.

Eol ,

And if it was it would be like 3 cents each.

danc4498 ,

Also, they would have given the raises already. Were they just waiting to make sure people weren’t doing whip it’s in freezer before giving the raises?

Hobbes_Dent ,

If it was going to be, it would have already.

hperrin ,

Correct me if I’m wrong, but a camera is like $200. It sounds like the raises would’ve been shit anyway. Everyone should quit.

pearsaltchocolatebar ,

You can get a good wifi camera for like $50

TheOctonaut ,

One that works in a walk in freezer?

davidgro ,

Ah, was guessing that just meant the employee entrance or walkway or something.

Juice ,

Electronics work better in the cold

TheOctonaut ,

WiFi works poorly behind insulation.

Cameras don’t do great covered in frost.

pearsaltchocolatebar ,

Yup, they work to about -10C

TheOctonaut ,

Walk in freezers are usually aimed at -18C, but that isn’t the main problem with trying to get a WiFi camera to work behind several inches of insulation.

pearsaltchocolatebar ,

That’s fair. Fortunately poe or wired cameras are even cheaper.

Plus, you don’t super need it inside the freezer, if you’re smart enough to recognize patterns (but I doubt that manager is)

TheOctonaut ,

They might be cheaper, but then you have to either have a cable coming in the door of the freezer, or drill a hole in your $10k freezer’s wall.

In my country you’d definitely need to have video footage to accuse someone of abusing aerosols at work, but yes in some less civilised places a general pattern might be enough to accuse someone and hope they weren’t just going in there to do their job.

pearsaltchocolatebar ,

I’m betting this is the US, where you can be fired for literally no reason what so ever.

lolcatnip ,

There’s no need for it to be inside the freezer to see who’s going into it.

TheOctonaut ,

These people are presumably paid to go into the freezer. If they weren’t going into the freezer that would be a problem. It’s going into the freezer and doing whip-its is the problem.

I was going to say then that you’d need to prove the person was actually doing whip-its and not their job, but I’m guessing this is America and it’s not actually required to have a reason to euthanise underperforming employees.

lolcatnip ,

The camera would show the person bringing in the nitrous and equipment. That stuff is bulky enough to be pretty obvious.

TheOctonaut ,

What? My friend do you think that the problem here is they are actually whipping cream? This is what you need to “do” whip-its:

https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/ac1e702c-de7b-44a9-a332-0b6ad8052092.jpeg

lolcatnip ,

At a minimum you also need something to open the canister, and IME the small devices they sell for that are pieces of shit that are hard to use and break easily. Anyone who’s seriously into it uses a whipped cream maker. And if they were doing just one or two canisters, the manager wouldn’t have seen any evidence of it.

tooclose104 ,
@tooclose104@lemmy.ca avatar

I’ve got quotes for a $30k bispectral. I’m really hoping I get to order one, but I highly doubt it…

RememberTheApollo_ ,

There were never any raises. This is just guilt-tripping bullshit.

KaiReeve ,

Miranda knows that she can continue to pocket a majority of the restaurant profits if she can get the staff to blame each other for their discontentments.

bitwaba ,

Na, Miranda is just an exploited shift manager who is making $3.00 above minimum wage that her profit stealing owner has convinced her will eventually turn into a fine quality of life if she just keep her nose to the grindstone so that she will turn around and fire her “underperforming” minimum wage underlings that will happily do something that damages their brain just to make 20 minutes of their 4 hour burrito rolling shift go by faster.

Ibaudia ,
@Ibaudia@lemmy.world avatar

There were probably never any “whip-its” (lol) either.

lolcatnip ,

Why the scare quotes and lol? It’s an actual brand of N2O and accessories.

Ibaudia , (edited )
@Ibaudia@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah but it’s a more boomer spelling. Usually it’s “whippets” or “whippits”. Just kinda shows that she’s old. Like calling marijuana “pot”.

the_crotch ,

Or calling cannabis “marijuana”

Ibaudia ,
@Ibaudia@lemmy.world avatar

Haha fair! I don’t smoke.

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Where’s weed and ganja in this picture? That’s what the dealers in the streets called it.

PS; I’m old, but not that old.

BrokenGlepnir ,

I mean how would she know someone was doing it, but not know who it was?

Xanis ,

There is a good chance there was no whip-it (bop-it!) person either. This can read as someone promising raises and having another agenda, tying them together, and wham bam here’s your letter.

To me it isn’t just slashing the promise of a raise, it’s creating a reason to install cameras because someone wants eyes where they didn’t have them before. Assuming this post is true, I smell an update down the road.

vext01 ,
@vext01@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

What’s a “walk in”? What’s a “whip it”?

trxxruraxvr ,

I’m guessing walk-in fridge at a restaurant. No idea what a whip-it is.

Woovie ,

whipped cream nitrous oxide cartridge. Breathing in the gas gets you real fucked up. Never done it, because I like my brain cells.

Jesus_666 ,

Notable for being a class of substances that freaks out Erowid, a website that otherwise thinks that just about every drug can be used safely if you know what you’re doing. If it freaks them out it freaks me out.

Woovie ,

Gawd damn that’s wild

Etterra ,

You think that’s wild? A related addiction class is huffing aerosols. Now go look up “I’m walking on sunshine lady” and wow did she burn out her brain.

Peppycito ,

That Steve-o documentary also shows what heavy whippit use does.

mouserat ,

youtu.be/Avcz9Z1ekcM?si=cOkufj583AgbQt9Uwell, that was a disturbing experience… (link doesn’t explain the full stroy though but I kinda don’t want to look more into it)

brygphilomena ,

This thread has some disinformation. In particular, whippits are nitrous oxide, which is commonly used by dentists as a mild anesthesia. It’s mostly safe and biggest risk is hypoxia if done in a place with poor ventilation or via a method that doesn’t stop if you pass out.

It’s very different from the aerosol inhalant abuse like the walking on sunshine lady video linked here.

brygphilomena ,

It’s literally used by dentists and is more commonly known as laughing gas.

It’s considered a low risk anesthesia. The only talk on erowid is that it can cause temporary hypoxia by displacing oxygen in the lungs which might lead to some minor death of brain cells just the same as inhaling helium to make your voice sound funny.

There is some reports of very long exposure having some effects on neurons, but that was inconclusive and more around anesthesiologists working in poorly ventilated rooms being exposed daily.

As long as you aren’t putting yourself in a place where if you inhale too much and pass out that you are still breathing n2o you should be fine. And so long as you aren’t inhaling directly out of a freshly cracked can where it comes out at literally freezing temperatures.

Most people will use a cracker that fills a balloon and is mostly safe. Just do so in a well ventilated location.

www.erowid.org/chemicals/nitrous/nitrous.shtml

It’s way different from other inhalants like those found in aerosol cans like air dusters.

Jesus_666 ,

Fair enough, I was thinking of those inhalants.

lolcatnip ,

I didn’t think dentists use it anymore. At least I haven’t heard of anyone getting it for a dental procedure in a long time.

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

After a string of bad experiences at the dentist (miscommunications, mostly) I got super anxious in the chair, and my dentist offered me nitrous.

So it’s still available, if used less.

swan ,

It makes you feel like you’re walking on sunshine
youtu.be/H6TW6v39_kQ?si=ELFTPU1V9s3Zg61T

lightnsfw ,

My brain cells are assholes. I’m going to try whipits to teach them a lesson.

fox2263 ,

I did a bunch of these at a festival once.

Almost literally the same “feeling” as breathing in a helium balloon except it makes your voice deep, like mega deep. And makes you happy laugh for a short time.

Don’t get the fascination

Iampossiblyatwork ,

www.amazon.com/…/B001MUJHKG

N2O

Inhale them.

Emerald ,

You can buy that on Amazon?

Huh. I see now

cream-deluxe.com/…/whipped-cream-chargers-everyth…

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
@apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

TIL Miranda is doing whip-its in the walk-in and trying to blame her staff.

Retrograde ,
@Retrograde@lemmy.world avatar

Classic Miranda rights

MeDuViNoX ,
@MeDuViNoX@sh.itjust.works avatar

I was thinking that or it’s the entire/majority of the staff.

TimewornTraveler ,

uh oh a dollar is missing from the register there goes your raises for the next 20 years

Guy_Fieris_Hair ,

A security camera: $100

$1/hr for 15 people: $31k A YEAR. Those two things are not even in the same realm.

Those raises were never happening.

Maggoty ,

Whoa now, but 10 cents for 15 people is only 3,000 dollars. Miranda never said it was a gold plated raise. And let’s be honest, the tipped staff were never a part of it to begin with. This was just (checks notes) supervisors and management.

(Tip sharing was never about anything good. Either you’re overpaying cooks and hosts by giving them normal pay with tips, while servers are on tipped minimum; or you’ve put everyone on tipped minimum.)

douglasg14b ,
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

To be fair a security camera would be more like $300-900 and the install, wiring into the freezer…etc would be another $1-2k.

Still not comparable, but that’s definitely not just $100.

ji17br ,

They could easily just get a wifi camera for cheap. I don’t think this business owner is interested in doing things the right way.

Bestaa ,

Walk-in coolers/freezers are giant Faraday cages. Can’t get wireless in or out. Any camera would definitely need to be hardwired.

Kanda ,

Scapegoat for the cost of a paper printout

WhatIsThePointAnyway , (edited )

A high end camera and install might cost $1,000. Not exactly enough to cover “raises.” More than likely it will be a $100 shitty wi-fi camera. This is such bull shit.

someguy3 ,

That $100 is like three fiffy each.

dharmacurious ,

It was that day that Miranda learned that her entire staff were not, as she had believed, individual team mates, but in fact the loch ness monster in disguise. It needs tree fiddy

Potatos_are_not_friends ,

Any time someone goes, “I would have done X, if only…”

No they fucking wouldn’t. Because they’re a shitty manipulative human.

Asafum ,

I would have used that $3000 (excessive price to emphasize the point) for raises for multiple people! Be mad that you and your 4 coworkers aren’t getting an additional $11/week!

Kyatto ,
@Kyatto@leminal.space avatar

human

my, my, feeling generous are we?

Etterra ,

Yeah that security camera is an excuse. They only cost a few hundred bucks.

Halosheep ,

Installing a security camera in a walk-in freezer/refrigerator is a little more complicated than that though.

blindbunny ,

Miranda, you work in a kitchen if your staff isn’t high (with Kevlar gloves) you’re probably mismanaging that kitchen.

pjwestin ,
@pjwestin@lemmy.world avatar

A) There is no fucking way that camera costs so much that no one can get raises. B) It you’re doing whip-its at work, you should probably be fired. C) If you can’t figure out which one of your employees is high on whip-its, you probably shouldn’t be running a business.

LifeInMultipleChoice ,

Never done whip-it’s before, if they said they are a 20 second head high how could someone tell after? I worked in/around a couple kitchens when I was younger and they are usually full of drugs. I knew there was at least weed, cocaine, and mushrooms available on one of them, the other I think was weed and meth, cocaine I think was yo costly for the people who worked there.

That said, D) they shouldn’t be a manager of anyone if they think inspiring people to do better is threatening the entire staff with no raises because of a that. Just say something one time and be done with it if you don’t know who it is. If you pay well and are respected, someone would be telling you who it was because they are sick of their shit.

Donkter ,

The 20 second head buzz is a huge under exaggeration. Seriously, whippets are a common party drug. It’s short lived for sure you probably do get only maybe 30 seconds to a minute of being completely zooted, but you absolutely are acting dumb for like 10-20 minutes after that. It’s not like a “high” high but it’s like being stoned.

pjwestin ,
@pjwestin@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, I’ve never actually done Whippets, but from what I understand it’s like Salvia, where the high only lasts a few minutes but you’re left kinda loopy for a while afterward. Also, anyone I’ve ever met who was a heavy user (like the kind of person who would need to do them in the walk-in to get through a shift) was pretty fried.

Donkter ,

Yeah, kinda. It’s WAY less of a high than anything like salvia or DMT of course. Definitely a little psychedelic but mostly just nice so it’s easier to abuse, no bad trips or anything.

MystikIncarnate , (edited )

I mean, putting a business security camera in to a place with foot thick insulation is going to be a pretty penny; that said, I’ve seen payroll costs and comparing to even an extravagant camera plus labor to install it in a difficult location, holy shit does payroll cost more.

Literally, to cover the cost of a high end camera installed in a difficult location, even if it was several thousand dollars; if you split that cost up among all of your payroll over a month it would probably work out to pennies an hour per person.

Let’s do some quick napkin math here…

Let’s say at any given time a small place has five employees on staff on average for every hour they’re open. In reality, even a pretty small full service restaurant probably has more, but let’s roll with it. Let’s say they’re open… 10? Hours a day? That’s 50 hours a day. Over a month, where you’re open daily, that’s about 30 days…ish. so ~1500 hrs over the month. Factor the cost out for a few months, so 3k hours. Conservatively, if everyone “donated” $1/hr over two months, it would more than pay for the camera. The reality is that there’s probably a lot more hours, and a lot more workers. On top of that, the only reasonable amortization for the device would be over it’s rated lifetime, which is likely 5+ years. So if you factor that in, it’s less than a cent an hour even at our small example of a place. The excuse that’s given here is so much utter bullshit.

If we go full economics on this shit, the cost of the whip charges and the rate at which they’re being lost should factor in too, because by installing the camera you either deter someone abusing them, or you catch and fire the perpetrator, and the theft stops, and you get all the money you didn’t lose to their habit back. Over time that will probably pay off the camera, and then some.

This isn’t the responsibility of the employees.

The idea that it is, is entirely fiction, and a narrative used to justify not giving people raises, and help turn employees against their fellow employees and report those that are “causing” the company to “lose money” or whatever (they’re not losing money, at most it’s reducing the profits taken home by the owner). It’s a desperate ploy to make you give a shit about the profits of the shareholders, and I hope anyone who sees bullshit like this finds a better employer.

Snapz ,

“You were each TOTALLY going to get an extra $.67 a month, if not for fucking Darren over here who forgot to thank me for his employment this morning in the daily thank you ceremony. You guys don’t get it… you think this is easy? Anyways I’m also doubling all your rents.”

“Disregard that last part, forgot you weren’t my ungrateful tenants, because of course I’m also a landlord.”

Maggoty ,

Oh but they would if they could! I can see it now, a national restaurant chain that only does mixed zoning restaurants. Apartments are staff only and cheaper than market. But your boss is also your landlord. Now when workers “churn” you can have them evicted and taken to court for debt too!

Snapz ,

And if you bring in workers from other countries, you can hold their work visas in the balance if they are found to ever be outside of either the restaurant or the employee housing!

And saddest of all, I worked at a restaurant where the owner actually did this… He was never directly held accountable for what amounted to indentured slavery essentially, but thankfully he was forced to sell eventually due to a backlog of unpaid labor disputes and sexual harassment lawsuits.

Halosheep ,

No fast food manager is also a landlord.

Snapz ,
  1. Oh sorry, where did my comment mention a fast food manager?
  2. What is your general purpose in life?
Halosheep ,

Considering that the original post is most likely taken from a fast food restaurant, the context of your post would imply that you’re speaking about one.

Idk, I guess to be here for a while, try to be happy, and then die? Pretty much everyone’s general purpose.

Snapz ,

“Most likely” = I just decide that my personal conclusions are that of the rest of the world in all scenarios

The nicest restaurants in the world are typically staffed by many degenerate addicts (source: worked fine dining for a decade) AND those same restaurants are typically owned by individual, independent people with money and nothing else valuable to contribute to society. They often own rental as wealthy parasites tend to do.

Try to center the world outside of yourself, you might learn a few new things… I mean, you’ll most likely learn a few things.

Halosheep ,

Okay man, sure. You claim I’m just making shit up but here you are doing the same damn thing.

merthyr1831 ,

that $0.01 pay rise could’ve kept someone off the streets!

EmperorHenry ,
@EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

no one was ever going to get a raise in that workplace. That’s just something they hold over your head.

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