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Reddfugee42 ,

They already have a camera system and it shouldn’t cost them more than 500 bucks to have even the scamiest security contractor add a camera to a existing system. There go all those raises boys

SidewaysHighways ,

Idk pulling a wire into a walk-in won’t be the funnest thing in the world.

Also either gotta do it during work hours and deal with traffic or after hours which costs more cause I’d rather be asleep or chillin at that time.

I’d say $500 to a thousand for a cam that can hold up in a fridge/freezer and that’s just to bring it onsite

Crack0n7uesday ,

Most security camera systems are wireless these days, you wouldn’t even have to do that. Security camera systems have gotten so cheap and common most people have them on the front door and/or garage door in the form of a ring camera. You would literally be investing less than $100 to add a security camera in the walk-in, if that’s the breaking point holding your boss back from giving you a raise you need to be looking for a new job.

Bestaa ,

Walk-in coolers/freezers are giant Faraday cages. You can’t get wireless in or out, so it’d need to be wired.

Crack0n7uesday ,

I don’t know what your talking about there, they’re not lined with lead. My cell phone still got service whenever I went into a walk in at every restaurant I worked at when I was in college.

MacAttak8 ,

Bestaa is correct in that they greatly diminish the propagation of radio waves. They are not perfect faraday cages but a lot of the better insulated walk ins are very difficult to get radio waves into them. Cell service, walkie talkies, WiFi, GPS.

I’ve never walked into a walk in where my service wasn’t significantly impacted.

Not sure what you’re on about.

MystikIncarnate ,

Nope. Business security systems are not wireless.

Simple answer to this, but I’ll preface this with the fact that I’m a network engineer with a specialty in wireless.

Basically, with WiFi, which is what most systems use, 5ghz outdoor use is generally a huge minefield of regulation, you have to operate low power or something, only on specific channels (because 5Ghz overlaps with radar), etc. So since most companies that make such devices don’t want to maintain 100 different versions that all slightly vary by which countries allow what to happen with outdoor 5Ghz, and the fact that 5Ghz usually doesn’t survive much past the outer layers of a building (not enough signal to be useful), instead they just use 2.4Ghz. this isn’t exclusive to cameras, all the outdoor IoT shit does this. Doorbells are an easy example.

So even if a company has a wireless camera, it’s 99% likely that it’s 2.4 GHz. That’s fine, right?

Wrong again poindexter. Anyone with a lick of sense and $20 bucks with ill intentions can liberate a magnetron from a used microwave (or get it for free by fishing it out of the trash), and power that bitch on outside of the comfortable enclosure (Faraday cage) that is the microwave chassis, and spray the camera with so much 2.4Ghz that it can’t think straight. To be clear, the camera works, but it can’t talk to shit because there’s so much interference from the 1000w poorly tuned 2.4Ghz magnetron blasting at it. If this doesn’t fry the wifi card in the stupid thing, it’s at least going to make it impossible for it to transmit anything useful back to the NVR, so goodbye security footage.

You see, any security company worth their salt will know this. They avoid wifi cameras and wireless security crap like it’s the plague, and rightfully so.

Older systems use coax with a power feeder, newer systems use PoE, because you know what you get with PoE? Redundant power, communications free from some dickhead with a busted up microwave, and… No need to change batteries. The redundant power is because they’re going to put the device that’s supplying power to the camera on a UPS backup, so even if ne’er-do-wells cut the main power feed for the building, the cameras keep recording.

The whole thing is built to be resistant to these low effort attacks and keep recording until the damn cameras get destroyed. That’s what’s sold to businesses. Not this consumer barely a security product wifi camera.

None of this is to mention that getting wifi into the stupid walk in is basically an impossible task. Most walk-ins I’ve seen have steel plates attached to the walls that are bonded to concrete on slab. I can’t imagine a better Faraday cage. Solid steel plate? Yeah, sure, it’s thin steel, maybe a millimeter, but it’s plenty to fuck wifi right to shit. Behind the plate is usually heavy insulation, followed by more plate. So it’s a Faraday cage in a Faraday cage. Good luck.

Sure, it’s not tuned to block the right frequency, but it still does a pretty damn good job.

If you want to use wifi cameras at a business, in a walk-in cooler, then I wish you the best of luck, you’ll need it.

Classy ,

I just wanted to pass along that I read this entire thing, and while I have zero need to install a security camera in a walk-in, I’m very grateful for this awesome comment.

MystikIncarnate ,

Your appreciation is appreciated.

downhomechunk ,
@downhomechunk@midwest.social avatar

Or, hear me out… buy a $20 box to lock the whip cream chargers in. That’s what the ice cream place i used to work at did.

MystikIncarnate ,

Valid argument. My question to that would be, who does someone like Miranda trust enough to give the key to. Sure as shit, she’s not going to be there all the time and unlock it only when necessary.

downhomechunk ,
@downhomechunk@midwest.social avatar

All the shift managers had keys. Was it impossible to occasionally fill one of the free kid balloons with nitrous instead of helium and take it home with you? No.

But the chargers were tracked against the amount of heavy cream we went through. They would go straight to the tapes if there were any discrepancy.

MystikIncarnate ,

Fair enough

downhomechunk ,
@downhomechunk@midwest.social avatar

Still, tell miranda to go to hell. She sounds like a garbage human.

pjwestin ,
@pjwestin@lemmy.world avatar

A) There is no fucking way that camera costs so much that no one can get raises. B) It you’re doing whip-its at work, you should probably be fired. C) If you can’t figure out which one of your employees is high on whip-its, you probably shouldn’t be running a business.

LifeInMultipleChoice ,

Never done whip-it’s before, if they said they are a 20 second head high how could someone tell after? I worked in/around a couple kitchens when I was younger and they are usually full of drugs. I knew there was at least weed, cocaine, and mushrooms available on one of them, the other I think was weed and meth, cocaine I think was yo costly for the people who worked there.

That said, D) they shouldn’t be a manager of anyone if they think inspiring people to do better is threatening the entire staff with no raises because of a that. Just say something one time and be done with it if you don’t know who it is. If you pay well and are respected, someone would be telling you who it was because they are sick of their shit.

Donkter ,

The 20 second head buzz is a huge under exaggeration. Seriously, whippets are a common party drug. It’s short lived for sure you probably do get only maybe 30 seconds to a minute of being completely zooted, but you absolutely are acting dumb for like 10-20 minutes after that. It’s not like a “high” high but it’s like being stoned.

pjwestin ,
@pjwestin@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, I’ve never actually done Whippets, but from what I understand it’s like Salvia, where the high only lasts a few minutes but you’re left kinda loopy for a while afterward. Also, anyone I’ve ever met who was a heavy user (like the kind of person who would need to do them in the walk-in to get through a shift) was pretty fried.

Donkter ,

Yeah, kinda. It’s WAY less of a high than anything like salvia or DMT of course. Definitely a little psychedelic but mostly just nice so it’s easier to abuse, no bad trips or anything.

MystikIncarnate , (edited )

I mean, putting a business security camera in to a place with foot thick insulation is going to be a pretty penny; that said, I’ve seen payroll costs and comparing to even an extravagant camera plus labor to install it in a difficult location, holy shit does payroll cost more.

Literally, to cover the cost of a high end camera installed in a difficult location, even if it was several thousand dollars; if you split that cost up among all of your payroll over a month it would probably work out to pennies an hour per person.

Let’s do some quick napkin math here…

Let’s say at any given time a small place has five employees on staff on average for every hour they’re open. In reality, even a pretty small full service restaurant probably has more, but let’s roll with it. Let’s say they’re open… 10? Hours a day? That’s 50 hours a day. Over a month, where you’re open daily, that’s about 30 days…ish. so ~1500 hrs over the month. Factor the cost out for a few months, so 3k hours. Conservatively, if everyone “donated” $1/hr over two months, it would more than pay for the camera. The reality is that there’s probably a lot more hours, and a lot more workers. On top of that, the only reasonable amortization for the device would be over it’s rated lifetime, which is likely 5+ years. So if you factor that in, it’s less than a cent an hour even at our small example of a place. The excuse that’s given here is so much utter bullshit.

If we go full economics on this shit, the cost of the whip charges and the rate at which they’re being lost should factor in too, because by installing the camera you either deter someone abusing them, or you catch and fire the perpetrator, and the theft stops, and you get all the money you didn’t lose to their habit back. Over time that will probably pay off the camera, and then some.

This isn’t the responsibility of the employees.

The idea that it is, is entirely fiction, and a narrative used to justify not giving people raises, and help turn employees against their fellow employees and report those that are “causing” the company to “lose money” or whatever (they’re not losing money, at most it’s reducing the profits taken home by the owner). It’s a desperate ploy to make you give a shit about the profits of the shareholders, and I hope anyone who sees bullshit like this finds a better employer.

StaySquared , (edited )

Hope she finds the employee and fires them. /shrug

Hey now she can use their salary that they’re no longer receiving and split it amongst the employee(s) who deserve raises.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

And do you think she will do that with their salary or do you think this was a really lame excuse not to give out any raises?

StaySquared ,

Oh she’s more than likely full of ish.

MacAttak8 , (edited )

There’s a difference between a food service place with substance users (most) and one that hires people that can get away doing whip its mid shift in the walk in and still keep their job.

Since this is apparently the latter; I’d say it’s just an excuse.

NauticalNoodle ,

I’m sorry but even with my food service background i’m struggling to see the difference you mention. I can see that sometimes places higher more conscientious staff members but with the amount of turnover across the industry, I can’t imagine that a place that doesn’t occasionally have staff members like that barring the high end establishments.

MacAttak8 , (edited )

Doing whip its in the walk in mid shift while leaving evidence without anyone noticing?

Sure man I guess. My decades in the industry say otherwise but idc enough to argue.

Edit: I’m not saying that mistakes aren’t made at hiring but if it’s a big enough problem the owner has to get involved it’s not just a hiring thing.

The owner seems to have had to get involved. Not the chef, not some manager. The one in charge of raises.

I guess I did care enough to argue

NauticalNoodle ,

I’m not trying to argue. I think I misunderstood your initial point.

MacAttak8 ,

My experience suggests that there is a difference between most places, places with substance users. Places that make mistakes at hiring and maybe someone does drugs once or twice in the walk in before being caught.

And places where people are using drugs in the walk in while leaving evidence and it is to the point the owner has to investigate because the chef/coworker/manager hasn’t already brought this to the owners attention.

Therefore this place appears to be the latter, a place with lesser standards.

I guess this could point to the higher standards thing you mentioned.

I sound defensive because the thought of my walk in being contaminated by drugs and their paraphernalia gets under my skin.

Do that stuff outside like the rest of us.

MacAttak8 ,

I could’ve been more clear and I hope I have been at this point. Hopefully we’ve helped some other see things differently.

Phegan ,

Miranda was def planting whip cream cans in the back so she can accuse the team and not give them raises.

Qwaffle_waffle ,

Turns out, it was Miranda doing the whippets.

NauticalNoodle , (edited )

A twenty second headbuzz while working in food service is almost always worth it. That’s arguably why there are so many people working in food service with substance use disorders.

Snapz ,

“You were each TOTALLY going to get an extra $.67 a month, if not for fucking Darren over here who forgot to thank me for his employment this morning in the daily thank you ceremony. You guys don’t get it… you think this is easy? Anyways I’m also doubling all your rents.”

“Disregard that last part, forgot you weren’t my ungrateful tenants, because of course I’m also a landlord.”

Maggoty ,

Oh but they would if they could! I can see it now, a national restaurant chain that only does mixed zoning restaurants. Apartments are staff only and cheaper than market. But your boss is also your landlord. Now when workers “churn” you can have them evicted and taken to court for debt too!

Snapz ,

And if you bring in workers from other countries, you can hold their work visas in the balance if they are found to ever be outside of either the restaurant or the employee housing!

And saddest of all, I worked at a restaurant where the owner actually did this… He was never directly held accountable for what amounted to indentured slavery essentially, but thankfully he was forced to sell eventually due to a backlog of unpaid labor disputes and sexual harassment lawsuits.

Halosheep ,

No fast food manager is also a landlord.

Snapz ,
  1. Oh sorry, where did my comment mention a fast food manager?
  2. What is your general purpose in life?
Halosheep ,

Considering that the original post is most likely taken from a fast food restaurant, the context of your post would imply that you’re speaking about one.

Idk, I guess to be here for a while, try to be happy, and then die? Pretty much everyone’s general purpose.

Snapz ,

“Most likely” = I just decide that my personal conclusions are that of the rest of the world in all scenarios

The nicest restaurants in the world are typically staffed by many degenerate addicts (source: worked fine dining for a decade) AND those same restaurants are typically owned by individual, independent people with money and nothing else valuable to contribute to society. They often own rental as wealthy parasites tend to do.

Try to center the world outside of yourself, you might learn a few new things… I mean, you’ll most likely learn a few things.

Halosheep ,

Okay man, sure. You claim I’m just making shit up but here you are doing the same damn thing.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Was going to give all five of you a big raise, but thanks to all that foul language I’m putting this nickel in the swear jar instead.

pH3ra ,
@pH3ra@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m betting 5 bucks on “no one actually did a whip-it, she just heard it in the news last night and made all that up”

Phegan ,

Miranda was never going to give them raises

tomkatt ,

Last time I worked fast food, my manager was a cokehead and didn’t care if anyone took extra free food for their lunch break. She also let people place orders near end of shift as “oops” meals and take home whatever food they wanted so long as it wasn’t insane (anything up to like $15-$20 was fine, mind you this was like 2001 so that was a decent amount at McD’s).

Times have changed.

Valmond ,

I worked out that around 30 to 40 mc nuggets was the limit. Mcd paris 5th by the river, fun times.

Guy_Fieris_Hair ,

A security camera: $100

$1/hr for 15 people: $31k A YEAR. Those two things are not even in the same realm.

Those raises were never happening.

Maggoty ,

Whoa now, but 10 cents for 15 people is only 3,000 dollars. Miranda never said it was a gold plated raise. And let’s be honest, the tipped staff were never a part of it to begin with. This was just (checks notes) supervisors and management.

(Tip sharing was never about anything good. Either you’re overpaying cooks and hosts by giving them normal pay with tips, while servers are on tipped minimum; or you’ve put everyone on tipped minimum.)

douglasg14b ,
@douglasg14b@lemmy.world avatar

To be fair a security camera would be more like $300-900 and the install, wiring into the freezer…etc would be another $1-2k.

Still not comparable, but that’s definitely not just $100.

ji17br ,

They could easily just get a wifi camera for cheap. I don’t think this business owner is interested in doing things the right way.

Bestaa ,

Walk-in coolers/freezers are giant Faraday cages. Can’t get wireless in or out. Any camera would definitely need to be hardwired.

Kanda ,

Scapegoat for the cost of a paper printout

hperrin ,

Correct me if I’m wrong, but a camera is like $200. It sounds like the raises would’ve been shit anyway. Everyone should quit.

pearsaltchocolatebar ,

You can get a good wifi camera for like $50

TheOctonaut ,

One that works in a walk in freezer?

davidgro ,

Ah, was guessing that just meant the employee entrance or walkway or something.

Juice ,

Electronics work better in the cold

TheOctonaut ,

WiFi works poorly behind insulation.

Cameras don’t do great covered in frost.

pearsaltchocolatebar ,

Yup, they work to about -10C

TheOctonaut ,

Walk in freezers are usually aimed at -18C, but that isn’t the main problem with trying to get a WiFi camera to work behind several inches of insulation.

pearsaltchocolatebar ,

That’s fair. Fortunately poe or wired cameras are even cheaper.

Plus, you don’t super need it inside the freezer, if you’re smart enough to recognize patterns (but I doubt that manager is)

TheOctonaut ,

They might be cheaper, but then you have to either have a cable coming in the door of the freezer, or drill a hole in your $10k freezer’s wall.

In my country you’d definitely need to have video footage to accuse someone of abusing aerosols at work, but yes in some less civilised places a general pattern might be enough to accuse someone and hope they weren’t just going in there to do their job.

pearsaltchocolatebar ,

I’m betting this is the US, where you can be fired for literally no reason what so ever.

lolcatnip ,

There’s no need for it to be inside the freezer to see who’s going into it.

TheOctonaut ,

These people are presumably paid to go into the freezer. If they weren’t going into the freezer that would be a problem. It’s going into the freezer and doing whip-its is the problem.

I was going to say then that you’d need to prove the person was actually doing whip-its and not their job, but I’m guessing this is America and it’s not actually required to have a reason to euthanise underperforming employees.

lolcatnip ,

The camera would show the person bringing in the nitrous and equipment. That stuff is bulky enough to be pretty obvious.

TheOctonaut ,

What? My friend do you think that the problem here is they are actually whipping cream? This is what you need to “do” whip-its:

https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/ac1e702c-de7b-44a9-a332-0b6ad8052092.jpeg

lolcatnip ,

At a minimum you also need something to open the canister, and IME the small devices they sell for that are pieces of shit that are hard to use and break easily. Anyone who’s seriously into it uses a whipped cream maker. And if they were doing just one or two canisters, the manager wouldn’t have seen any evidence of it.

tooclose104 ,
@tooclose104@lemmy.ca avatar

I’ve got quotes for a $30k bispectral. I’m really hoping I get to order one, but I highly doubt it…

praxis_jack ,

No way is any job with a walk-in even getting raises in the first place haha

RememberTheApollo_ ,

There were never any raises. This is just guilt-tripping bullshit.

KaiReeve ,

Miranda knows that she can continue to pocket a majority of the restaurant profits if she can get the staff to blame each other for their discontentments.

bitwaba ,

Na, Miranda is just an exploited shift manager who is making $3.00 above minimum wage that her profit stealing owner has convinced her will eventually turn into a fine quality of life if she just keep her nose to the grindstone so that she will turn around and fire her “underperforming” minimum wage underlings that will happily do something that damages their brain just to make 20 minutes of their 4 hour burrito rolling shift go by faster.

Ibaudia ,
@Ibaudia@lemmy.world avatar

There were probably never any “whip-its” (lol) either.

lolcatnip ,

Why the scare quotes and lol? It’s an actual brand of N2O and accessories.

Ibaudia , (edited )
@Ibaudia@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah but it’s a more boomer spelling. Usually it’s “whippets” or “whippits”. Just kinda shows that she’s old. Like calling marijuana “pot”.

the_crotch ,

Or calling cannabis “marijuana”

Ibaudia ,
@Ibaudia@lemmy.world avatar

Haha fair! I don’t smoke.

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Where’s weed and ganja in this picture? That’s what the dealers in the streets called it.

PS; I’m old, but not that old.

BrokenGlepnir ,

I mean how would she know someone was doing it, but not know who it was?

Xanis ,

There is a good chance there was no whip-it (bop-it!) person either. This can read as someone promising raises and having another agenda, tying them together, and wham bam here’s your letter.

To me it isn’t just slashing the promise of a raise, it’s creating a reason to install cameras because someone wants eyes where they didn’t have them before. Assuming this post is true, I smell an update down the road.

EmperorHenry ,
@EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

no one was ever going to get a raise in that workplace. That’s just something they hold over your head.

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