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Norgur , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

Hey, 'Muricans, how come we need to pressure every company into compliance for you?

RojoSanIchiban ,
yokonzo ,

Do you really think any average citizen has any say in this whatsoever?

Aux ,

Yes. You’re a democracy, right? Right?

Nommer ,

On paper yes. In reality…

ILikeBoobies ,

Isn’t that the point of your guns? Why are all these less free states more free?

Psychodelic ,

Nah, those are just so we can shoot nonwhite people and say we thought they had a gun

Vilian ,

well, on paper also no, democracy don’t exist with only two parties, and that is writed in paper

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

An electoral democracy, we choose those that make the laws. Due to the 2 party system we don’t have many options for when they fail to do what they claim they will.

Lucidlethargy ,

No, we’re a republic.

A true democracy would empower each of us to do as you say, but that’s not what’s here.

Our republic is quite corrupt due to greed and power, as well… Not as corrupt as many countries out there, mind you, but it’s alot worse than it should be.

We’re starting to resemble a corporatocracy in many ways these days as a result of all this.

psud ,

‘Republic’ is about whether or not you have kings. Democracy is as opposed to autocracy, with a few other *cracys between those poles.

America is a democratic republic; the United Kingdom is a democratic monarchy. The US has a broken democratic system that does a really bad job of electing the most preferred candidate. It’s almost cheeky to call America democratic.

ObviouslyNotBanana ,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

Obviously since it’s happening for us Europeans

tch4ng ,

Great America, land of the free

trolololol ,

Free to be shot at and advertised to

psud ,

Land of the fee and home of the slave

wildginger , (edited )

Hey, 'Peans, how come you think a country larger than your pseudo continent is a homogenous hivemind?

E: what Ive learned from this comment is that apparently, all europeans share 1 single trait, which is just utterly horrid reading comprehension

Norgur ,

Erm... Larger by land mass? Yes. Larger by GDP? No. Larger by number of inhabitants? No. Larger by amount of vastly different cultures that somehow get stuff like this done whole very decidedly not being a hive mind? Also no.

agitatedpotato ,

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  • vzq ,

    ThEre ArE no iMmIgRaNtS in EuRopE

    agitatedpotato ,

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  • vzq ,

    Firstly, no one said that.

    Let me quote:

    Lmfao you think europe is more culturally diverse than a country with thousands of cultures from around the world? Thats hilarious.

    So yeah. That.

    The rest of your comment is blatantly ignorant AND horridly racist, so I think I’ll just do is both a favor and ignore it.

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  • vzq ,

    Keep digging shovel boy

    agitatedpotato ,

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  • vzq ,

    They don’t mean the same thing, I’m mocking you (see also: SpongeBob case) for saying something that is patently, obviously, hilariously wrong.

    There’s a reason you are getting dragged all over the thread: you are a provincial ignoramus.

    dipbeneaththelasers ,

    Y'all could've just looked up the numbers on immigrants as a percent of population:

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/immigration-by-country

    wildginger ,

    Where in your quote does it say europe has no immigrants?

    vzq ,

    I refer you to the other thread for an in depth explanation.

    wildginger ,

    Id just refer you back to the quote, that blatantly doesnt say what you said it does

    vzq ,

    Draw by repetition!

    wildginger ,

    I guess, but you kinda look like a dumbass quoting something incorrectly. You shouldnt need an in depth thread to explain why your false quote maybe technically could possibly be misconstrued.

    Makes everything else you said look suspect by comparison.

    vzq ,

    You really think I’m going to go 13 rounds with yet another provincial ignoramus in the dead end of a deleted comment’s thread?

    wildginger ,

    You slapped down a quote and then said, “so, theres that.”

    About a quote that explicitly does not say “that.”

    And then called the dude a racist.

    Disagreements about which landmass is more culturally diverse is one thing, but youre the ignoramus here, steed.

    vzq ,

    So tell me, who are the “immigrants” in the US? Who are the “not immigrants”?

    wildginger ,

    That has nothing to do with what you or the other dude said. You mocked the other comment for, by your claim, saying europe has no immigrants.

    The existence of immigrants in the US, regardless of if you think there are more or less of them than europe, isnt a statement on the existence of immigrants at all in europe.

    Did you read what you wrote?

    vzq ,

    You mocked the other comment

    That’s right. And now I’m mocking you.

    wildginger ,

    Yeah, but youre doing that to deflect and hide from actually answering anything.

    Do you maybe realize you fucked up? And are just too embarassed to admit it cause you think the other guy is a shitheel, and dont want to own up to a mistake made to a shitheel?

    Because that just also makes you look like a shitheel.

    vzq ,

    Answer my question then.

    wildginger ,

    So, you want to just completely change the conversation because you fucked up this one?

    Ok, define immigrant then.

    vzq ,

    That’s the point innit?

    That’s why the OPs comment was racist as shit.

    I’m glad you’re starting to catch on.

    wildginger ,

    I never said they didnt say anything racist.

    I said you fucked up your quote, by lying about what it said.

    Can you read? Could you actually read and respond to the words presented to you, instead of making up secret words you hope I am thinking and hiding from you to respond to?

    Having to play this game where I need to repeat myself over and over until you actually read whats written is pretty old.

    vzq ,

    Having to play this game where I need to repeat myself over and over until you actually read whats written is pretty old.

    Sorry, what was that? Didn’t quite catch it.

    wildginger ,

    Im just gonna take that as admission that you just didnt read any of the comments you responded to.

    Which also implies the other guy didnt even say anything racist, you just made that up too.

    vzq ,

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  • wildginger ,

    Oh, back to this completely unrelated cry fest?

    My personal definition is 2fold. Immigrant either means someone who has just crossed national lines with intent to take up residence, or it means a descendant of the former within 2 generations who still feels explicit ties to their parent or grandparents birthplace over current national ties.

    Can you read that? Or do I need to copy paste it a few times for you

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  • wildginger ,

    Thats a cute lie. You didnt expect that definition from me and have no way to try and twist it into a gotcha, I take it?

    Guess I was right, you are a dipshit. But we both knew that, didnt we?

    kux ,
    @kux@kbin.social avatar

    40 years counts as quite a long time in american history i suppose

    agitatedpotato ,

    I mean, in terms of humans that’s 2 generations, and since diversity and populations concern humans, that’s a big head start. But you can keep applying off topic cliches if they help you feel better.

    TheTetrapod ,

    As an American, you’re being silly. You’ve heard of the Silk Road? The Mediterranean? The Old World has been rubbing shoulders with each other since 4000+ years ago. We just got here in comparison.

    Honytawk ,

    The majority of the immigrant population in 'Murica are from Europe.

    Norgur ,

    I bet this person is one of those "actually, I'm 1/8th Irish" people...

    ILikeBoobies ,

    It is certainly more diverse lol

    antonim ,

    American moment

    ObviouslyNotBanana ,
    @ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

    Because Europe is so fucking homogenous that we stared 2 world wars just because we agree so much

    vettnerk ,

    Well, we could agree on those two things, at least…

    Norgur ,

    We agreed so much in the past that the 30 years war could never have happened in Euro... Oh.

    ObviouslyNotBanana ,
    @ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

    They agree with eachother so much in eastern Europe that there are no wars and everyone just hugs. Oh wait.

    wildginger ,

    If you think saying “that nation isnt homogenous” means “all other nations are homogenous” you probably shouldnt weigh in on adult convos

    crispy_kilt ,

    The US is smaller than Europe in size of population and in area.

    agitatedpotato ,

    Idk, how come we need to fund your wars?

    Norgur ,

    Which war? Help me out here. Vietnam? Iraq? Korea? I'm lost here ... Oh wait....

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  • Norgur ,

    So your answer is "I could tell you, but I won't " and a personal attack? Talk about "not flattering on you".

    So: which war the EU is involved in are you "funding"?

    Appoxo ,
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Nah. Those corps will still do it at home or sell it as PR at home.

    brothershamus ,
    @brothershamus@kbin.social avatar

    For $100,000 the US Congress will tell you!

    prole ,

    Sorry, our country is currently on fire 😕

    BroBot9000 , (edited ) to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act
    @BroBot9000@lemmy.world avatar

    ABOUT FUCKING TIME. Take edge and shove it so far up your data tracking sphincter of a face hole.

    Can we please get these laws on a global level.

    gravitas_deficiency ,

    I’m not disagreeing, but what entity would enforce those global laws?

    brsrklf ,

    La Haye International Court of Justice, of course.

    gravitas_deficiency ,

    And what happens when the country in question is one that doesn’t care that much about the ICC, and responds “make me”?

    To wit: The United States has famously refused to subordinate itself to the ICC

    BroBot9000 ,
    @BroBot9000@lemmy.world avatar

    Same way laws are enforced now? Each country passing it and the companies needing to comply to continue operations.

    Why are they force to comply right now if the laws don’t work?

    gravitas_deficiency ,

    You’re missing the point.

    The ICC only has power in countries that let them have power. If a given country doesn’t feel like doing that, the ICC has precisely zero recourse or ability to enforce.

    What should citizens in countries like that (which may or may not be dictatorships, single-party states, theocracies, or some other restrictive, un-democratic, and/or xenophobic form of government) do?

    BroBot9000 ,
    @BroBot9000@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes and I’m saying each country should implement it themselves so that we can reach global saturation. That is what I meant in my original response to op.

    You are taking what I said out of proportion. Obviously we need Superman to enforce a global ruling hand over mankind.

    Setarkus ,

    I was about to say that I’d prefer alien overlords but based on Superman’s origin, he’s got my vote

    Sabata11792 ,
    @Sabata11792@kbin.social avatar

    I vote for angry mob with convenient access to an active volcano.

    AlwaysNowNeverNotMe ,
    @AlwaysNowNeverNotMe@kbin.social avatar

    Who needs a volcano when woodchippers can park right in your driveway.

    Remember to load them feet first kids!

    RojoSanIchiban ,

    *jots down ‘load kids feet first into chipper’

    Wait, is Microsoft violating child labor laws, too!?

    AlwaysNowNeverNotMe ,
    @AlwaysNowNeverNotMe@kbin.social avatar

    Well, your heart's in the right place.

    CIA_chatbot ,

    And apparently the kids feet are in the right place too!

    Imgonnatrythis ,

    Space force?

    BestBouclettes ,

    Well they’ll probably reinstall it with every update anyway.

    BroBot9000 ,
    @BroBot9000@lemmy.world avatar

    That is easy enough to block or deal with.

    At least there’s the option to remove it at all that the non tech people can now easily access.

    Imgonnatrythis ,

    I can’t wait to see what this breaks and how the fix is to reinstall edge for all kinds of mundane issues.

    Buddahriffic ,

    Turns out edge is what renders the entire UI and uninstalling it leaves you at the console. Oh and you can’t access files because the file system is an http server accessed via edge. But it does come with QBASIC, so there’s that.

    Honytawk ,

    … then disable the update …

    BestBouclettes ,

    Not really possible anymore, Microsoft has been forcing updates since Windows 10.

    maynarkh ,

    They would get massive fines if they tried that.

    Diplomjodler ,

    Nope. But hey look, the Democrats are coming to take your guns!

    Goodie ,

    If I have to keep a chromium browser around, in addition to Firefox, I’d rather edge than mainline Chrome.

    adam_b ,

    For me i went with DuckDuckGo + Firefox

    95℅ of the time on Firefox and DDG is just for YouTube ( even in it’s current Beta state it can bypass YouTube’s anti adblocker )

    Edge is just too problematic, Microsoft opened up Dark patterns 1.0.1 and forked Chromium and voila >> NSA certified browser

    helenslunch ,
    @helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

    That’s a false dichotomy. There’s no shortage of Chromium browsers that are significantly better than both.

    smort ,
    @smort@lemmy.world avatar

    Suggestions? Preferably for both Windows and Mac

    helenslunch ,
    @helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

    Not sure which ones are compatible with Mac. Brave is my choice but there’s also Vivaldi and several flavors of Opera.

    Honytawk ,

    All Mac browsers are just Safari anyway

    smort ,
    @smort@lemmy.world avatar

    You might be thinking of iOS browsers? Mac browsers use a variety of engines

    _pete_ ,

    Arc is weird but pretty good once you get used to it.

    DuckDuckGo is good if you want a minimal browser and don’t really care about extensions

    Brave is OK if you want a slightly more private version of Chrome

    Honestly though, just use Firefox.

    Goodie ,

    Brave seems like a superb option.

    Opera seems like a reasonable option, I guess, but I’m not sure if it has the market share to actually be seen and controversial if there was something to be controversial about.

    DigitalBits ,

    I’m not sure I would. Edge is trash, it keeps shoving the AI bullshit, all the MSN news stuff, ads for cheaper shopping, all in your face when you first start up. While you can turn it off, it gets annoying doing that every time you reinstall or spin up a new VM. Chrome, for all its faults, is a lot less annoying freshly installed.

    jballs ,
    @jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I appreciate your sense of relief, but don’t share it. This isn’t the first time Microsoft has been ordered to stop pushing its stuff (remember Internet Explorer?) and I’m sure it won’t be the last.

    autotldr Bot , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Microsoft has published a new blog post which details how Windows 11 will be made compliant with the Digital Markets Act (DMA) in the European Economic Area (EEA.)

    To be compliant, Microsoft has made several changes to the OS, which now allows users to choose between providers and uninstall most in-box apps.

    The company describes these changes as specific to Windows 11 PCs in the EEA, so it’s unclear if users outside this area will be able to utilize these functions.

    These changes will rollout in preview on Windows 11 in the Insider Beta Channel in the coming weeks, and will become generally available early next year.

    The EEA is an economic and political union that spans 27 countries in the European and surrounding area.

    In the case of Microsoft, this means not forcing users to use Edge or Bing, and ensuring the OS is interoperable with other services where necessary.


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    bigkahuna1986 , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

    Why yes Microsoft, I am totally a European in Europe right now…

    radix ,
    @radix@lemmy.world avatar

    VPN to Sweden, update Windows to the EEA version, profit?

    I’m not holding my breath, but we can hope.

    Chariotwheel ,

    It 's wild to think that some people might VPN to the EU for basic rights.

    Poiar ,

    Freedom!

    doppelgangmember ,

    People do that China 🤷‍♂️

    Coming to a Western country soon near you!

    RootBeerGuy ,
    @RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    You wouldn’t pirate basic human rights, would you?

    ares35 ,
    @ares35@kbin.social avatar

    Välkommen!

    Empricorn ,

    Bless you.

    CJOtheReal , to pcgaming in PSA: Avoid getting shadowbanned while running Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 on an ASUS ROG Ally or Steam Deck [due to TDP settings]

    I think if they do that they are liable for refunding in EU

    autotldr Bot , to pcgaming in PSA: Avoid getting shadowbanned while running Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 on an ASUS ROG Ally or Steam Deck [due to TDP settings]

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    The initiative has been fairly successful in general, making life hard for those using aimbots or wall hacks on Windows PCs.

    Both platforms have overlays similar to PS5 or Xbox Series X|S consoles in place of full mouse cursor navigation you’d find on a typical PC (although the Steam Deck has nifty trackpads for this as well).

    Features that allow you to control the TDP limits manually on the ASUS ROG Ally and the Steam Deck seem to upset the Ricochet software, which can result in a shadow ban.

    Activision is one of the few publishers out there with heavy investment in customer service, believe it or not, but the sheer overwhelming amount of tickets that pour in make it difficult to get your case reviewed promptly.

    In the case of Steam Deck or ASUS ROG Ally players, adjusting your TDP limits or other settings before you go into a match, rebooting your system, and then going into a game can help you avoid shadow bans to some degree.

    Defaulting back to Windows Defender, avoiding VPN use, and skipping on any sort of third-party gaming software running on top of Call of Duty should also help limit risk.


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    ProxyZeus , to games in Microsoft may lose $120 million due to the Overwatch League shutdown
    @ProxyZeus@lemmy.world avatar

    Hopefully Microsoft allows for a more community based competitive scene to grow

    XiberKernel , to games in Microsoft may lose $120 million due to the Overwatch League shutdown

    I don’t think that a forced esports league was going to prosper anyway. Things like EVO,l and pre-accusation MLG where the focus is independent of the game are where esports can flourish. It’s important to note that games change and interests shift, these “leagues” don’t have the staying power like traditional sports leagues.

    With that said, Microsoft now owns the MLG name and assets, and could build that back up if they had interest.

    ryathal , to games in Microsoft may lose $120 million due to the Overwatch League shutdown

    Can we acknowledge that FPS makes for a terrible esport from a viewer perspective yet?

    naught ,

    What about CS? Valorant? They pull in numbers

    tekila ,

    As someone not playing valorant I think it’s really confusing to watch. Not quite to the level of League of Legends or DOTA2 but still.

    Counter strike is more straight forward as you don’t have multiple heroes with their own powers.

    On the other hand street fighter or rocket league are the easiest to watch, followed I feel like by CS.

    HKayn ,
    @HKayn@dormi.zone avatar

    To be fair, the different powers more or less boil down to the same pieces of utility. The smoke or molly is just a different color each time.

    ExcursionInversion ,
    @ExcursionInversion@lemmy.world avatar

    CS is super easy to watch

    Evotech ,

    Cs is a special case. It has a very nice pacing. And requires no storfisk knowledge to be watched, you can almost not have played cs at all and understand what’s going on.

    I think the finals could also be a very cool esport. With it’s very short rounds and tournament format. Although a bit chaotic.

    rockerface ,

    It’s less about genre and more about the visual clutter overload, which seems to get exacerbated with each update. Like the last character they teased literally places a giant cylindrical barrier and chains all enemy characters inside or it, plus himself. Now imagine 2 of those

    driving_crooner ,
    @driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

    I don’t play games but really enjoy rainbow six siege games from a viewer pov.

    BURN ,

    Depends

    Apex Legends is great to watch as a spectator, especially when you’re able to get multiple points of view.

    I’ve also enjoyed CS esports previously. I’ve actually never been a fan of the LOL/Dota/StarCraft spectating as I find that it makes for a terrible viewing experience, so ymmv.

    Katana314 , to games in Microsoft may lose $120 million due to the Overwatch League shutdown

    I sincerely hope this sends the message that no game should firmly rely on the expectation of an esports competitive scene. It’s a fantastic thing to have happen, and has occurred even for party game Super Smash Bros with no esport support, but it’s not something you can force.

    Sometimes the spectator appeal just isn’t there.

    GhostMatter ,

    The thing is, it’s pretty much Activision Blizzard’s fault here. They destroyed the grassroots competitive scene to make way for the Overwatch League, but that took a bit more than a year. They could’ve found a way to integrate the existing scene instead. And that was just the start of the League. The game itself was mismanaged with the sequel taking way too long and being misunderstood (with good reason).

    There were some many mistakes with the Overwatch League, that I don’t think we can use it to generalize that much. ESports was a bubble though, no doubt.

    thessnake03 ,

    I feel so bad for those kids getting esport degrees. They’re better learn to say “would you like fries with that”

    ono ,

    I feel so bad for those kids getting esport degrees.

    What universities are offering e-sport degrees? This is the first I’ve heard of it. Can you post some links?

    thessnake03 ,

    I first heard about it through Shenandoah

    Also U of North Dakota

    Ferris State

    Harrisburg

    And more animationcareerreview.com/…/10-colleges-esports-d…

    Dagnet ,

    OWL biggest mistake, imo, was accepting whatever deal YouTube gave to them. Even if the money allowed for better production value, no esport is gonna take off on YouTube

    GhostMatter , (edited )

    There were just so, so many mistakes. Avoidable ones too. The pandemic was unavoidable, but the structure of the League made it more difficult to get through.

    GoodEye8 ,

    I don’t think it was necessarily a mistake. I regularly watch CSGO/CS2 tournaments on Youtube (as opposed to Twitch) because the viewing experience is just straight up better. Video quality is better, you can rewind back, you can pause and continue where you paused. The only big reason to prefer Twitch over Youtube is the chat, but the majority of time Twitch chat is cancer and I have it off anyway.

    No Esports taking off on Youtube isn’t the fault of Youtube, it’s the fault of viewers who are too ingrained into Twitch.

    lorty , to games in Microsoft may lose $120 million due to the Overwatch League shutdown
    @lorty@lemmy.ml avatar

    Probably less than the money they’d lose trying to keep it alive.

    rockerface ,

    Which is the exact reason it got axed. No way they’d let it go if it was profitable

    lorty ,
    @lorty@lemmy.ml avatar

    Esports not being profitable is basically a given at this point.

    Nacktmull , to games in Microsoft may lose $120 million due to the Overwatch League shutdown

    Oh no! … Anyway

    WereCat ,

    It will set them back for at least 7 seconds

    dinckelman , (edited ) to games in Microsoft may lose $120 million due to the Overwatch League shutdown

    Let’s not act as if this isn’t just a rounding error for them

    onion , to games in Microsoft may lose $120 million due to the Overwatch League shutdown

    ok

    riesendulli , to games in Microsoft may lose $120 million due to the Overwatch League shutdown

    Well deserved. Chop some acti-btard staff too.

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