KInda blows me away how people don’t acknowledge the overt genocidality of Israel’s position towards Palestine. Just call them rats, Yoav Gallant, we all know that’s what you mean. People all over social media are celebrating the actual ethnic cleansing of Gaza.
And after everything since the Nakba, we’re supposed to be surprised that the political situation in Gaza has deteriorated to the point where the government is just a pack of terrorists. We’re supposed to be confused as to how that could happen.
The attack by Hamas is chilling, but punishing all Gazans for what their government has done is collective punishment, and also presupposes a lot of things (ie, “they voted for Hamas” – 44% of the electorate voted for Hamas, which means 56%, the actual majority, voted against Hamas, and they voted once, 17 years ago, so really, less than half of the electorate ever approved Hamas, but also, collective punishment is a war crime)
It seems likely Israel will succeed in clearing Gaza, because they’ve had the upper hand here and have since they stole the entire country at gunpoint with UN backing. This is depressing, but I don’t see how massacres will help anything. If anything, further violence just seems to play into Israel’s hand.
EDIT: it’s been 17 years, not 13, since the last elections in Gaza
EDIT: Corrected typo, this was early in the day for me sorry everybody, also fixed slightly incorrect info re elections, admittedly not the most up to date on the current situation over there, but at this point I believe the info in my post is at least overall correct
Mahmoud Abbas, president of Palestine and head of Fatah, was the one to suspend both legislative and presidential elections and not Hamas. In fact, the latter “strongly opposed the decision to call off elections” (npr.org).
Abbas’ party has been working closely with the Israeli authorities. His excuse was that “Israel refused to commit to allowing Palestinians to vote in Israeli-occupied East Jerusalem” (npr.org).
Some (quite convincingly) hypothesise that the suspension of the elections was aimed at preserving his presidency and salvage “his fractured Fatah party [which] was expected to suffer another embarrassing defeat to Hamas.” (apnews.com).
How can one expect the people to not fight if democracy can’t be exercised freely?
Thanks for the updates, I wasn’t aware there had been scotched election plans in the last few years. I follow various global situations but Israel-Palestine is so hopeless it’s honestly hard to keep up with. It’s worth noting Hamas has also scotched attempts to hold elections since 2006. Interesting to note they called for municipal elections 10 days ago and apparently intended to discuss with the PA such elections at the same time as they were planning an actual massacre whose only strategic merits I have even heard suggested are “Israel’s response will galvanize Gaza against Israel,” except I’m not sure what iron resolve does against a military with IDF’s resources and lack of restraint.
Anyways, they can fight if they think it will help, but given how more or less every single armed conflict has panned out ultimately in Israel’s favor, I’d question if in their case going even harder and massacring civilians even harder is really going to help anything.
Since legislative/presidential elections haven’t actually been held since 2006, we can’t really know if the 44% of the vote (in a vote which had 76% turnout, so really, about 33% of all eligible voters, similar democratic mandates as GW Bush or Trump) would even still support Hamas today, so it’s a little generous to say Hamas massacring civilians is the same as “The Palestinian people fighting”
Fuck you, you piece of shit, the blood of thousands of innocent souls is on your useless fascistic hands. I hope you get what you deserve, you pathetic disgrace of a human. Signed, an Israeli citizen.
Yeah it kinda dehumanization tactic, but on the other hand people are one of the animal species. I would rather say those are brainwashed individuals coming from shithole society which are beyond help and do not deserve any mercy.
Everybody already saw what they do to innocent civilians, especially women and children. Those people are pure human diarrhea and should be treated like one.
Ah yes that changes the situation completely. Show this to the raped women, children and their families please. I think they will understand afterwards and have a closue.
+1 for the mental gymnastics you just performed. You commit a crime and are pardoned by pointing on a bigger one.
No one is pardoning crimes except those funding and supporting Israel. Israel has literally never been punished for its crimes. Palestine has been punished for its crimes 1000x over, they have also been punished for non-crimes, for talking, for praying, for procreating, for eating, for drinking, for sleeping, for compromising, for negotiating, for asking for help, for not asking for help, and for existing.
No one is saying that the crimes against innocent Israelis is the goal nor the method of liberation. But we are all more than willing to allow those crimes to occur in the process of liberating Palestine because despite the depravity of those crimes, they are still less depraved, less numerous, and less systematized than the crimes of Israel. We acknowledge that these sorts of crimes happen in all wars and have always happened in all wars for the last 2000 years or more. But that which perpetuates the state of the world, the state of the world where these crimes are committed by the dominant hegemons and their junior partners, is always going to be orders of magnitude worse than that which seeks to end this state of the world. It will always be preferable for violence to be used towards the aims of ending the North Atlantic dominance over the world than to use violence to perpetuate it. It will always be preferable to use violence to end capitalism then it will be to use violence to continue it.
The decades of violence against Palestinians is multiple times over more violent than anything Palestine could do to Israelis in the next year, even if they committed these crimes every day for a year, because a year is just not enough time to catch up to the amount of violence the Israelis have meted out to the Palestinians.
So, we mourn the suffering of all Innocents, but we cheer the cause of liberation, because we know that through this struggle, net violence will be reduced and the root causes of violence will be dealt a significant blow.
My twisted view of the world? There are rules to debating whether you like it or not. It’s clear you don’t want to actually debate and just want to criticize anyone who speaks against you. Perhaps take some time to understand why you hold the beliefs you do, and why others would hold the beliefs they do. Going around spouting your opinion without being able to back up why you have that opinion with sources will not win anyone to your side. Good luck IRL dude.
That’s really rich, implicitly claiming that civilians are a valid target for one side, but not the other, and that this is somehow not a political distinction. But I’m happy to state it outright: Hamas needs to be held to account, as does the government of Israel. It is not acceptable to target civilians, for anybody. It is Israel doing so now, and must be stopped.
Now I imagine the Israeli president will use this like a smoke screen, not only to criticize reservists, but also to hide his criminal intent.
This also helps Saudi Arabia and Syria, as they will be able to hide their military operations under the guise that they are only acting on a more active Israel.
This situation only helps the people in power. It does nothing for the civilians who are going to face the pushback from this. Or already have.
You realize that all peace talks have failed, because the Palestinian governments refused any deal that required them to recognize Israel’s right to exist. Every deal.
And before that, when Israel accepted the offer by the British, the Palestinians didn’t accept it because the surrounding countries essentially said they would kill all of the Jews in Israel and take the entire area. Which they tried. Twice. And lost. Twice. And in the ceasefire terms, those countries granted Israel those disputed territories. Actually much more than they currently have, as they gave back most of it to Egypt in peace talks with them.
Palestine could have been a country many times over. But they do not want peace. They wants the whole of Israel.
And during all of those time, things have just gotten worse. And the hatred between the two sides grows. But the only thing that has stopped Palestine from being a country is the fact that the governments of Palestine believe negotiations start and stop at having it all.
It’s an interesting read. I’m sure there are better sources, but the 40s-80s were a crazy time, with basically all of their neighbors declaring war on them, Israel managing to hold off five different countries, then the UN stopping the war only to have egypt or syria re-arm and try again. I didn’t know that the USSR was also helping and hindering at various points. Basically all Jewish peoples immediately fled all Arab countries, peppered with other countries whenever there was a rise in anti-jewish sentiments (eg, in Russia).
This is a lie. In the late 70s and early 80s even the PLO was pushing for a two state solution and even removed “Anti-Zionism” from its official goals in the 90s. I’m not going to say everyone in Palestine has always supported one solution or another like you’re saying. I’m not going to say that everyone in Israel wants to eliminate all Palestinians from Israeli territory either, although many do, especially the political powers who blocked the two state solution from the other side during that time. This simplistic reading that Palestinians are nothing more than frothing-mouthed mass-murderers is disgusting especially considering who has had power over whom in recent decades.
War is not a heroic struggle of good vs evil, it is a series of economic and political developments which have been transpiring for decades. There has been a lot of bad behavior generally which lead us to this point. Let’s not offer absurd ideas in times of turmoil like this. That’s not going to help any innocent Palestinian or Isreali civilians getting caught in the crossfire.
saw a translator post elsewhere for these terms as used by Israeli media - critical condition means head wounds, very unlikely to survive; seriously wounded means living changing injuries. if i can find the post again i’ll link.
Gotta figure that with the arty and planes bombing Gaza, the Palestinian KIA is the same. So that’s 1200 in a little over 24 hours and counting. Big number.
I’m not sure that will help anything. Some of that land is used for defensive purposes. The normalization agreements with Saudi Arabia, now delayed due to this stupidity, did have provisions for turning land back to Palestinian control. It didn’t seem to make much difference to Hamas.
Hamas is funded and armed by Iran. Iranian leadership really doesn’t want Saudi Arabia to make a formal normalisation agreement with Israel. Hamas leadership is dedicated to maintaining the wealth they gain from being Iranian proxies. The rest of Hamas is dedicated to destroying Israel.
Hamas is also fighting Fatah for control of the West Bank and the Palestinian Authority government. The worse things are for residents of the West Bank, the better it is for Hamas.
So it’s in Hamas’ interests, both as proxies for Iran and for their own in the West Bank, to do everything they can to force the Arab world to choose sides and scupper every normalisation agreement, especially the big daddy Saudi one.
You realize the attacks are coming from Gaza where Israel did pull out, and then the people immediately elected a terrorist group to lead the country. That group then put the destruction of Israel as one of their main platforms.
I mean if anything this is showing why Israel doesn’t withdraw from the West Bank.
the sheer number of Israeli civilian fatalities is staggering. so far the best count only has 80 or so of the dead being military or police and so the rest of the 600 and counting are presumably civilians.
This could see tens of thousands dead, 90% of which will be Palestinian and most of whom had nothing to do with the attacks. It could also be the last hurrah for Hamas.
I honestly don’t understand this one, and I used to do this for a living. Terrorist attacks frequently make sense. 9/11 successfully engaged the US in a “global war on terror.” It resulted in a massive burning of resources and an engagement lasting far longer than anyone anticipated. It failed in that al Qaeda has effectively been rendered inoperative, there was no pan-Arab or pan-Islamic movement that rose up to strike down the current world order, and the leadership did not generally get to retire to a life of quiet reflection. But at least it was comprehensible.
This is looking more like the equivalent of the Charles Manson Helter Skelter attack, where some psychotic thought he could ignite a national race war with an incomprehensible slaughter.
If it were not so big, I’d think it was a red flag operation. It’s just that stupid and the consequences are just that dire. This is handing Bobo exactly what he needs on a silver platter.
Agree. Near as I can figure the normalization of relations between Saudi and Isreal looked like it was going to come together. Both countries are an enemy to Iran. Iran did this to stop that agreement. Also to consider is…
Who funds Hamas? Iran.
Who funds Iran? Russia
it would certainly be in Russia’s interest to deflect the west’s attention from Ukraine
I am not sure “Russia funds iran”. Yes, they both have developed deeper trade relations since trump cut of Iran more. But so have the relations between iran and China increased.
All of these countries try working together in mutual benefit against the west. But I wouldn’t call any of them puppets of another.
It’s weird how everyone is taking Israeli media’s word on all this…
The only other country’s media I’ve seen backing up these claims is India, and they’re one of the absolute bottom countries for press reliability and freedoms. Their “journalists” get thrown in jail (at best) if modi doesn’t like what they write.
Plus there was that whole thing last year where Israel killed a journalist, blamed Palestinians, and then attacked the journalists funeral…
In general, yes, it’s a war and terrible shit happens.
But in a war every side is going to use propaganda.
Look at “the ghost of Kiev” obviously Ukraine are the good guys there, but that doesn’t mean blindly believe everything they say.
When one side starts making very specific claims with no proof, and the only countries media backing it up is one of the absolute worst countries for media reliability…
Maybe wait a day or two for facts to come out before believing every specific story.
And can you knock it off with jumping straight to personal insults?
Believe it or not, it is possible to publicly defend Ukraine, be against the long-standing brutality that Israel has dealt to Palestinians, and also be horrified about the thousands of years of injustice that Jews have faced in history.
and also be horrified about the thousands of years of injustice that Jews have faced in history
Yes you can. And at the same time you can also condemn the illegal territorial anexations of palestinian territory by Israel. I’m part jewish myself and I don’t support that crap. Just respect the internationally recognized borders and please, stop committing human rights violations (ON BOTH SIDES)
Hamas sets up military operations in a civilian building by force - the civilians have no say in this and get killed if they protest Hamas then uses that building to launch rockets, store ammunition, communication stations How the fuck should Israel proceed to neutralize those sites? Because what they do is:
“Roof knocking”: Hitting the building’s roof with a small explosive to announce that it will fall in 15 minutes (see video www.youtube.com/watch?v=teevWpXlRZY example from yesterday) Automatic SMS and phone calls impacted areas warning and urging to evacuate Precision strikes that make the building fall vertically with minimal damage to the areas As a result, civilians (and potentially military personnel) are given a chance to evacuate while ammunition stashes, rocket launching stations etc stay in the building and are destroyed.
To be honest, I’m shocked those protocols are still used after Hamas’s attack. I would absolutely not be surprised of these measures stopped.
The anti-Israel don’t care that Israel is bending over backwards to minimize human suffering while fighting a decades long war against people who are deliberately trying to kill their children.
Remember how upset they are when Israel does something 100 percent defensive, like build a security fence to keep out an endless stream of suicide bombers?
This isn’t good-faith criticism.
These people hate Israel for this that they works be applauding other countries for. And we all know why
The start of the issue was when Europeans wanted Jewish people out of Europe after WW2 so they stole a shit ton of land that’s important to three different religions from the Palestinians and called it Israel…
Then Israel expanding over the decades obviously didn’t help
The start of the issue was when Europeans wanted Jewish people out of Europe after WW2 so they stole a shit ton of land that’s important to three different religions from the Palestinians and called it Israel…
That’s not what happened. There was a strong desire for a Jewish state in Palestine for hundreds of years, in the beginning of the 20th century this was accelerated through the British mandate and immigration. The real story is way more complex and your representation of it is not only wrong but also negates the agency the Jewish population living there for centuries had in creating the Jewish state.
Of course the horrors of the Holocaust had part in the decision but it was not because “Europeans wanted Jews out”
Like I said the real history is waaaaay more complex, I suggest you read up on it - the History of the British mandate is a got starting point.
There was a strong desire for a Jewish state in Palestine
Unfortunately a population had been living there for thousands of years…
And they weren’t stoked at being forced out at gunpoint 70 years ago.
If that was too long ago that they don’t have a claim, why was a much older one good enough to found Israel?
Hell, the Jewish texts said they moved there after Egypt, why weren’t they given Egypt? Why pick a random place some of their ancestors may have moved to that already had people living there at the time?
The formation of Israel and Pakistan was just a bunch of Europeans deciding religious segregation would be a good thing. It obviously wasn’t and there’s no reason to keep trying it. Religious ethnostates are not a good plan.
And as long as they exist (especially when one gets a mutual holy land) these wars will keep happening
Do you think the creation of Israel and Pakistan were decided by ‘a bunch of Europeans’ without any input from the jewish, muslims or hindus? I guess you need to read up some history first if you want to discuss these issues
Oh yeah, I’m sure those people living in India and what would become Israel loved the idea of being forced out of their ancestrial homelands of millennia…
Wait…
That’s recent history, we have articles and even pictures of it happening and it was incredibly violent and people still choose death over forced removal
They both do it. Israel a lot more so than Palestine even. It’s hard to feel sorry for them. I feel sorry for the girl obviously. But also for the countless nameless Palestinians who suffered the same but never made the news.
Thing is, I don’t think it will cost them support from anyone who’s still actually supporting them. These terrorists operate with the stated goal of provoking a war between islam and the entire western world and forcing moderate Muslims in western or westernized states to choose a side.
Personally, it’s hard to agree with either side when there are very clearly religious motivators. Both sides have done things that are clearly wrong. It’s not about people vs state, or people vs foreign state, it’s always framed as Jewish vs Muslim. It’s hard to imagine a future where each side does not stop until the other is wiped out. It’s hard for people of different religions to live in harmony when the state is so intertwined with religion. Israel gets a lot of international support because at least they have a relatively stable government.
On the Palestinians side, the Hamas isn’t an elected group. It’s an independent terrorist group. People that don’t get recruited, and people that don’t harbor them willingly are innocent.
On the Israelites side, anyone that voted for the governments that commit those atrocities are slightly more guilty in my eyes.
Something this attack has shown is that we interchangeably make geopolitical statements and value judgments – or rather, that there is no distinction between the two in discourse. Talking about how Israel’s far right policies are responsible for this is a geopolitical analysis for instance, but that in no way diminishes value judgments that the murderers are to blame for the murders. I suspect this difference between “how we got here” and “what just happened” is causing a lot of tension and miscommunication.
I genuinely share this view, while also having doubts about it. There’s still much I need to (re-)learn about this conflict, but I think both religions coexisted peacefully in that area for centuries. The current conflict might have much to do with colonialism-like European nations drawing borders in other countries, assigning people to lands, without fully considering who they are and what they want.
Jewish guy defending own country against terrorists makes obvious statement in regards to situation where terrorists are being armed by the same mob the clown army of Russia are being armed by, and you think this makes him on the wrong side of history?
Fighting against occupiers is the right side of history
Russia trying to occupy Ukraine is bad
Israel occupying Palestine, forcing the natives into shitty ghettos as they keep stealing land, is also bad
But zelensky has to keep America happy for geopolitical reasons, and America has to keep Israel happy for geopolitical reasons. And so, principle and ideals stop mattering
Ukraine isn’t killing Russian civilians at bus stops and music festivals. hamas is. whatever your grievances and “justification”, this makes you a amd anyone who supports this a monster
But how is Hamas the same as the entirely of Palestine? Ukraine is a country, Hamas is a military group that hasn’t held elections in 16 years.
Also could you explain how exactly this always boils down to Israel VS Hamas and not Israel vs Palestine? Because last time I checked, when you rape, kill, and murder people and keep them in prison with no fair trial and no means of peaceful protest, things will eventually backfire with an extremist group taking over the steering wheel. We have Israel to blame for Hamas. If they had not created such impossible circumstances for Palestinians and especially those in Gaza, no one would have to stand behind an Islamist organization that effectively detached itself of all other Palestinian resistance groups.
Yes, standing with an apartheid state aggressor and occupier (aka Israel) is standing on the wrong side of history. It adds to the irony that Russia is doing the same to Ukraine.
Being Jewish doesn’t mean it’s acceptable to support Israel’s “right to self defence” which doesn’t mean what you may think it means. We discovered (over several decades) that Israel “defending its borders” means killing and oppressing disproportionately more civilians and children than it does killing “terrorists” and keeping Gazans in an open air prison. In essence, every country has the right to self-defence, this statement is true. However, no county has the right to commit one war crime after the other and get away with it.
Tbf to him, there’s a significant difference between taking their own land back between Ukraine and Palestine
When Ukraine fighting back against illegal occupation they didn’t purposely target the civilian while Russian is the indiscriminate one.
Hamas’s goal is to take their land back while also trying to wipe Jew off the map. Them parading a woman’s naked dead body tells it all, they’re as savage as the Israeli that treat Palestinian as sub-human. All far right Muslim across the globe hate Jew because of what Israel does for decades.
If tomorrow Putin suddenly gave back all occupied territories including Crimea, Ukraine will stop. If tomorrow Netanyahu gave back all occupied territories, Hamas will not stop until Israel did not exists.
So yeah, for Ukraine vs Russia, one side is the terrorist. For Palestine vs Israel though, both side is terrorist.
Fun fact about that Zionist army in 1948, it was made up of literal terrorist organizations, one of which (the Lehi) wanted to fight alongside the Nazis during WW2 because they hated the British so much.
Hitler said no to their offer of support. But the offer apparently reached his desk. Well, offers. They tried multiple times in 1940 and 1941.
The sort of mind that it took to want to join with the Nazis after Kristallnacht...
One of the Lehi's main activities during the build up to the 1948 war, was to assassinate Jews who they viewed as "traitors" i.e. Jews who cooperated with or were friendly with either the British, or Arabs (Palestinians). Add in a few bombings and the odd mass rape/massacre, and you have one of the bloodiest terrorist organizations of the mid-century.
Anyway, in 1980, all the surviving Lehi members got medals of honor from the Israeli government."for military service towards the establishment of the State of Israel"
This, Israel has so effectively white washed the creation to the general public. I’d venture to guess the average American couldn’t point to our tell you when Israel was created.
Nor could the average person tell you that in 1948 Israel expanded and took Palestinian land as the result of a war where several Arab nations occupied Palestinian land to attack Israelis.
People would like to believe that their side is blameless, but the truth is that ever since the British partition (which created civil tensions like all other colonial partitions), it has been a tit for tat where Israel has sometimes been at fault and sometimes been the victim.
Edit: Oh boy. It goes back much further than this even.
Dear God. I’m following the trail of events on Wikipedia and this is absolutely nuts. It just keeps going, and going, and going…
I’ve made it to Russian pogroms of Jews in the 19th century, which seem to have sparked the Zionist goal of a Jewish state, complemented by a preceding Judaism enlightenment era. And then that is all under the geopolitical backdrop of a separatist sultan in the Ottoman Empire and a British thought (helped by evangelical Christianity of course) that they should grow their sphere of influence in that region by growing a Jewish population there.
And that’s just the genesis of the Balfour Declaration and Jewish/Arab enmity!
I’m going to read into the Russian pogroms more, but I suspect the underlying cause of that is increased migration into Russia by Jewish refugees fleeing Muslim oppression in the Ottoman Empire and Christian oppression in Western Europe.
Jesus fucking Christ what a mess. It’ll probably trace back all the way to the Romans in Israel at this rate.
I will freely admit that I was flippant and incorrect earlier, I apologize. I thought that it was the Balfour Declaration that started everything off, and that some nationalists had convinced them. I assumed it was just like India I guess (although there probably are deeper reasons there too that Jinnah wanted a Muslim state – Modi and his Hindu nationalists are doing a very good job of defending that advocacy).
Turns out the declaration was just a small stepping stone along the way, and it was just one link in a chain of events spanning multiple centuries and nations.
It really makes you wonder what should be done, and even more difficult, what could be done.
I’m not taking a side either way on this comment. I would just like to point out that Ukraine claimed their land in 1991 while Israel had theirs since 1948 (according to this image.) If you would argue that Ukraine is Ukraine because they have been since 1991 wouldn’t it be even more fair to say that Israel has been Israel for even longer? If Palestine wants to take back what was theirs pre-1948 why can’t Russia take back what was theirs as recently as 1991?
Coming from someone who is mostly ignorant about Palestine vs Israel politics and happy to be educated!
There are huge differences. One country came into existence due to a federation disintegrating, because its members called for independence. The other country came in existence because an occupier forced it upon the people living there.
There wasn’t also a huge amount of migration involved with Ukraine. People mostly continued their lives when Ukraine became independent. The founding of Israel involved many Jews for all over the world migrating to that area. You can imagine that affects the people already living there.
Thank you for taking the time to post a thoughtful response. Can you provide more information on the point that Jewish people migrated from all over the world? Being non-religious, my understanding is that Jewish people were historically always in that area since pre-Jesus times.
I’m just not entirely convinced that migration, in of itself, is enough of an argument against Israel considering UN Human Rights allow for cross-border movement of people. I can definitely understand if the government gets involved with purposefully displacing people who were already there.
Interested to hear your perspective on this issue.
To follow up on what the other commenter said, the term “Jew” started as a label for Judahites outside of Judah (part of the historical kingdom of Israel)
badly drawn maps are a major culprit. its clear many commenters are young and don’t know the actual history. i’m a bit surprised by just how many pro-hamas posts ive seen. its a little disturbing. read your history. there is very little that the modern state of Israel could have done to prevent any of this. these extremists want total annihilation of israel. what can israel do against terrorists whose stated goal is to participate in a holy war which they believe is their ticket to heaven? it’s an unwinnable conflict. peace talks only work if all sides actually want peace (and just disagree about how to accomplish it) every insane group of extremists across history has had to be dealt with forcefully, at some point, in some way or another, for all of human history. the japanese, germans, soviets, koreans, all needed to be dealt with, and in all cases it required overwhelming force sustained by wide coalitions over many years.
this is no different. if you are young, don’t know the history, and are sitting in your room thinking there is some special concession Israel could give, that would turn this all around, its time to hit the library. The reality is that there isn’t really any land in the area that would work for that. The available land that is compatible with human civilization in that part of the world, is completely full. There is no “amazon” that could be cut down to build new areas for Palestinians to live. It’s a hot, arid, inhospitable part of the world, and civilization is clustered around natural rivers and mountainous locations. There’s no place for anyone to go.
And then there’s the ideology. Even if Israel and some broad coalition decided to invest trillions in some massive infrastructure project to make Gaza the best place in the world to live, the terrorists would still do exactly what they’re doing today. The point you have to understand, is that Hamas does not care about Palestinians. Repeat that to yourself 10x and commit it to your brain forever. Islamic extremists do not care about achieving peaceful cooperation with people of other faiths and ideologies on planet earth. Nor do they even care about their own people.
People in the west are extremely soft and ignorant in some ways. They’ve grown up immersed in a culture of relative stability, judeo-christian ethics, etc. They have no concept that there are people out there who share none of that. They literally don’t care. And the proof is all over twitter. Go watch, let it soak in.
Only a broad coalition with massive force can end this, just like every other time. otherwise its just on an endless cycle.
This infographic very conveniently leaves out that 1948 is the result of the Arab Israeli War, where civil war tensions resulted in several Arab nations occupying Palestine to take over Israeli land.
I’m not going to say that Israel shouldn’t have given it back to the Palestinians, but it’s very dishonest to leave out the war and simply say Palestinians were expelled.
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