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bradorsomething , to world in Iran fires drones, missiles at Israel in first-ever direct attack; IDF downing them

This is an interesting attack from an economic standpoint. While the cruise and ballistic missiles were worth the cost of interception, the shahed drones cost much, much less than the cost if intercepting (a fact frustrated Ukrainian air defense could talk all day about). Since about the 1990’s we’ve been in a situation where often the missile costs less than the enemy aircraft intercepted… but the cost of the missile va the drone cost has created a huge economic disparity in war. You have to pay the price to prevent death and damage, but a drone can now bleed a country in the pocket book without killing a person.

When viewed from this perspective, the iranian attack takes a new light. Sure, they announced the attack, and then made it, and the weapons were mostly downed. But at the end of the day, israel will spend 5:1 (at least) for the victory. A few weeks of this, and israel would run out of interceptor rounds and be taking serious hits… the answer to which, is… pay millions and millions to avoid this possibility, by overstocking interceptor missiles.

lurch ,

there are more answers to this. just to name a few:

  • infiltrate the attacking country and replace leaders with friendly puppets
  • diplomacy
  • nuke the shit out of the attacking country

the economic imbalance just forces the other side to act more quickly

steventhedev OP ,

Hamas and Hezbollah have been launching near daily rocket attacks on civilian targets for over 6 months now. This attack is larger than the usual daily salvos, but still smaller than what Hamas launched on the first day.

It will be incredibly interesting to see if they continue to launch rockets after Iron Beam is deployed operationally with a marginal cost of interception far lower than the cost of a rocket or drone.

FMT99 , to world in Israeli academics slammed for signing letter accusing Israel of ‘plausible genocide’

Man it must be tough working in politics. The constant slamming left and right would give me a headache.

Deceptichum OP ,
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You’d think they’d be playing at Wimbledon.

GrymEdm , to world in Israeli academics slammed for signing letter accusing Israel of ‘plausible genocide’

Kudos to the brave dissenting Israelis speaking and acting according to their conscience. I hope they are protected in some way from reprisals because Israel does not take criticism lightly, especially from within it’s own borders.

MrVilliam , to world in Israeli academics slammed for signing letter accusing Israel of ‘plausible genocide’

“Slammed” huh? Take a shot, everybody.

They’re getting suspended and fired. Just say that. Stop with the slamming bullshit. It doesn’t mean anything.

FlyingSquid ,
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Especially when getting fired is a much bigger deal than whatever the media usually considers ‘slammed’ to mean (people on Twitter and TV saying mean things).

Altofaltception ,

Ah yes, Israel, that bastion of free speech.

FlyingSquid , to world in Israeli academics slammed for signing letter accusing Israel of ‘plausible genocide’
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“Plausible” still gives Israel too much wiggle room, but good for them anyway.

phoneymouse , to world in Israeli academics slammed for signing letter accusing Israel of ‘plausible genocide’

It’s one of the greatest ironies that the descendants of holocaust survivors are genocidaires.

atkion ,

Humanity always seems to learn the wrong lessons from historical events, doesn’t it? Hurt people hurt people, I guess…

FenrirIII ,
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An eye for an eye.

TokenBoomer ,
TokenBoomer ,

It’s easier to hate than love and forgive.

Barbarian , (edited )
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It’s actually not uncommon. Trauma and PTSD leave epigenetic changes in people. These can become hereditary through a combination of both nature and nurture. Unless treated, this leads to an intergenerational heightening of fight or flight responses and a host of other issues. This in turn predisposes people to do horrible things in the name of “survival” (in their minds), even when it’s not actually necessary.

In short, traumatized families are predisposed to inflict trauma unless treated.

ghostdoggtv ,

The truth is simpler than that. There were Nazi sympathizers among the ranks of Zionist activists for about as long as the Balfour declaration was in effect. Veterans of groups like Lehi are still enormously influential around the Israeli security complex.

Barbarian ,
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2 things can be true at the same time.

TokenBoomer ,

So what I’m getting it’s a learned behavior from having lived through Nazism. The Cycle of Violence.

CanadaPlus ,

Hopefully we can trot this out until the end of time whenever someone goes “my people would never”. At least something good will have come from it.

capem ,

That’s the end result of religious nationalism.

Zionists have always been right-wing shitbags.

BertramDitore ,
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As a descendant of Jewish victims and survivors of the Holocaust, aside from all the dead children and innocents in Gaza, this is the thing that bothers me most. I am not Israeli, but I am deeply ashamed of any Jew who thinks this genocide is okay or can be justified for any reason.

whoisearth ,
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I’ve said this before on Lemmy but my honest opinion is many Jewish people have not healed from The Holocaust.

It’s well proven that hurt people hurt people.

I humbly submit the nation of Israel is committing genocide because deep down they are still profoundly hurting from WW2 and rightly so.

I mean let’s be real, the western world very much had a “fuck Jews” attitude up until and after the results of The Holocaust. Canada turned Jews away. America turned Jews away. UK turned Jews away.

They have every goddamn right to be angry.

Hurt people hurt people.

FlyingSquid ,
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I am Jewish. I lost family in the Holocaust. I am not angry. The people who killed my family are dead. Taking vengeance on people who had nothing to do with it makes no sense. And even if somehow Israel was doing this in Germany right after the war, it still wouldn’t make it right.

On top of this, there were survivors like Eva Kor who would have entirely condemned this, and rightfully so. Eva Kor forgave Hitler and the Nazis for what they did, which I think is far bigger and better vengeance than anything the people you are, let’s not say defending… explaining? are trying to do.

In my opinion, there is no better revenge against people who tried to dehumanize you and your family than to be the bigger human.

The Torah may repeat Hammurabi’s ‘eye for an eye’ concept, but let’s leave those ancient concepts where they belong along with the superstitious beliefs that went with them.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Mozes_Kor

paddirn , to world in Israeli academics slammed for signing letter accusing Israel of ‘plausible genocide’

“By god, it’s Israeli academics with a steel chair!”

TokenBoomer ,

Waiting for the Iron Sheik to pull off the Camel Clutch.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/bfd9b02d-d845-4308-8b88-df79fcc14781.jpeg

Asafum , to world in Israeli academics slammed for signing letter accusing Israel of ‘plausible genocide’

Well it would be nice if our pathetic US government can finally start calling it what it is and maybe reconsider our involvement now that those within Israel are calling it by name…

But Raytheon aint going to sell those bombs themselves! :/

Nadru , to world in Israeli academics slammed for signing letter accusing Israel of ‘plausible genocide’
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Wow 20, so brave. A whole 20…

Deceptichum OP ,
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Good people are in short supply in Israel, don’t disparage the handful, focus on the rest who won’t admit what they’re doing.

Nadru ,
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20 academics out of a population of 10 million… I’m so impressed!

Deceptichum OP ,
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Israel sucks, we know. But you don’t go after the 20 decent people in the country, they’re the ones we need to be supporting.

Passerby6497 ,

Nothing is ever good enough for some people.

Nadru ,
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Who’s mentioning the 20 decent people. I’m criticizing the others

SteefLem , to world in IDF says Netzah Yehuda Battalion carrying out new pinpoint operation in north Gaza’s Beit Hanoun
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Pinpoint shooting innocent childeren?

snooggums ,
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“Pinpoint accuracy is necessary for such small targets!” said the IDF apokesman while raiding his hand to high five the nearest person.

yumpsuit ,

Pinpoint in the sense that each trooper is a real needle-dick.

SteefLem ,
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Ha! needle dick :)

sonori , to news in Israeli National Security Minister Ben Gvir’s car flips over after running red light, minister lightly injured
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How could Hamas do this?/s

jik , to news in Israeli National Security Minister Ben Gvir’s car flips over after running red light, minister lightly injured
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@mozz thoughts and prayers

FlashMobOfOne , to news in Israeli National Security Minister Ben Gvir’s car flips over after running red light, minister lightly injured
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Only lightly?

That’s a shame.

Pan_Ziemniak ,

Such sad news, truly. The car didnt deserve to be hurt.

Linkerbaan OP , to technology in Promoted on TikTok, ‘No Thanks’ boycott app targets products tied to Israel
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Great app works very well. Users can submit barcodes and brands and the database is really significant by now. I tried it on a few articles and it correctly recognized each of them.

natural_motions ,

I guess I’m curious if the user submitted products are vetted or not. Seems tough for one guy to keep up with that.

Linkerbaan OP ,
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It checks for the brand of the product and if it is on a boycott list it even provides a link with information why.

Most brands on the boycott list are major global brands such as Mondelez, Unliver, Pepsico etc. As their products have similar barcodes worldwide most of the brands check out between countries.

x4740N , to technology in Promoted on TikTok, ‘No Thanks’ boycott app targets products tied to Israel
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Is the app open source ?

Linkerbaan OP ,
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I can’t find info on that so I am guessing at the moment it’s not. Though it seems to be more of a small volunteer project than a big group effort for now.

WamGams ,

Hint: if an aoo is collecting your data and tracking you, as this app does, it is not open source.

This implies they are selling your data to brokers.

fawanen ,

No it doesn’t.

WamGams ,

It doesn’t collect your data or it isn’t selling that data?

Another user on this very thread pointed out the specific trackers being used by the app. Unless that person is lying about them collecting the data, they will almost certainly be selling it.

That’s the thing about data collection: its a lot of money to store. How are they funding the operation unless turning you into the product?

fawanen ,

Look up specifically what Admob, Crashlytics, and Firebase analytics track.

That’s the thing about data collection: its a lot of money to store. How are they funding the operation unless turning you into the product?

Are you referring to data on users, or data on the products this app tracks? The app doesn’t need to store user data beyond what is required for it to function. Even if it stored such data, each user will only take up kilobytes to maybe a few megabytes because it’s just text data.

As for the data on the products, by far the largest files would be images. The rest is just text data.

Standard Google Cloud Storage is $0.20/GB per month. There’s no need for this app to store 16k+ photos, so the actual storage costs are negligible.

WamGams ,

Let’s hope you are right. I personally think an app of this nature should be fully open source.

Linkerbaan OP ,
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It claims " no data collection" in the play store

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/701d8db2-f76e-4573-ad54-ce323f9d54bf.jpeg

WamGams ,

That is great.

But I also think leftists should not be downloading protest apps directly through google, because they have that data.

We need to better expose protest movements to things like fdroid and how to combat the surveillance they carry in their pocket.

Short termz the app seems like a good thing, but we need to move away from google play long term.

Artemis ,

Looks like it has Google AdMob, CrashLytics, and Firebase Analytics trackers…as well as FB Share according to Exodus. While I totally support the cause, this app is definitely tracking/profiting off of it’s users behind the scenes.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Sure, but is it open source?

fawanen ,

He doesn’t know but still wanted to feel useful.

Artemis ,

Day old account with tonnes of down votes and attacking people just trying to help…you are very clearly a troll. Also, I must be a guy since I’m commenting about tech? 🙄

fawanen ,

I’m guessing you have no idea what those technologies do.

Google Admob is literally for serving ads.

Crashlytics is for monitoring crashes.

Firebase analytics is for monitoring firebase usage, which is required for things like push notifications when using firebase.

Try uploading an app to the Google Play store yourself before you spread FUD on matters you know nothing about.

Artemis ,

I pointed out the trackers that are included in this app for full transparency…not everyone likes having Google and Facebook on their phone. The inclusion of these trackers also hint that the app isn’t open source, which was the initial question. I’m not sure any of this called for such an inflammatory response…

lunarul ,

How are crashlytics and firebase analytics profiting off of users? I cannot imagine not including those in an app you’re actually hoping to improve.

Artemis ,

There are other privacy-respecting trackers that could be used for app improvement. At the end of the day, Google profits from the data collected here, and Lemmy has a big community of users looking to avoid this. Tangentially, Google also has massive contracts with the Israeli military that have recently come under fire in the news…just another reason to use different app-improvement trackers if the goal is to truly boycott/divest, etc.

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