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Linkerbaan , to world in Syria’s Assad claims Holocaust was a lie fabricated to justify creation of Israel
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I hate Assad but this title is not accurate. He is just doing the classic “disputing the 6 million Jews” number and secondly whataboutisming the amount of Russians killed by the Nazi’s that are never mentioned but are far greater

He did not deny the entire holocaust.

I do agree with his second point a bit but the first one is just stupid.

Hope Assad lands up in a ditch soon.

Hyperreality , (edited ) to world in Syria’s Assad claims Holocaust was a lie fabricated to justify creation of Israel

Entirely unsurprising. Relevant wikipedia article:

The Syrian Social Nationalist Party (SSNP)[a] is a Syrian nationalist party operating in Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and Palestine. ... is the second-largest political party in the pro-Assad National Progressive Front led by the ruling Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party ... Political rivals of SSNP have commonly labelled Antoun Saadeh as a fascist ideologue who formed relations with Nazis during the Second World War. ... Saadeh remained a strong admirer of Adolf Hitler and introduced Nazi symbolism into SSNP insignia. Similar to the "Fuhrer" title, Saadeh took the designation of "az-Za'im" and the party set him up as their "leader for life". The party adopted a reversed swastika as its symbol and the party anthem was sung to the tune of Deutschlandlied. ... Saadeh adopted many themes related to fascism: pushing a personality cult around the party leader, establishing a totalitarian state that policed all aspects of life, belief in "the organic whole of the Syrian Volk" ... Throughout the Second World War, Saadeh was rumoured to have close contacts with officials of Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany. ... Western journalists also describe it as fascist. Terry Glavin writes that it "sports its very own stylized swastika [and] sings an anthem to the tune of Deutschlandlied", while Bellingcat calls its a "rabidly anti-Semitic, fascist organization [with] international ties to the far-right." ... According to historian Stanley G. Payne, interwar Arab nationalism was influenced by European fascism, with the creation of at least seven Arab nationalist shirt movements similar to the brown shirt movement by 1939, with the most influenced ones being the SSNP ... SSNP wanting the complete control of Syria, belief in the superiority of their own people (with Saadeh theorizing a "distinct and naturally superior" Syrian race) ... Anglo-American journalist Christopher Hitchens and his team were assaulted in February 2009 by SSNP paramilitaries ... The attack left Hitchens with body injuries and a limp in his leg. Reporting to Vanity Fair in May 2009, Hitchens described SSNP as a "suicide-bomber front" that carries out terrorist operations in Lebanon on behalf of Ba'athist Syria. He asserted that SSNP was a violent fascist movement; noting its irredentist ambitions of creating "Greater Syria"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Social_Nationalist_Party

why don’t we talk about the 26 million Soviets who were killed in that war? Are the six million more precious?

This is what the far right in Russia think, and is why they don't see the irony in calling Zelensky a Nazi. Relevant article:

The dominant version of antisemitism alive in parts of eastern Europe today is that Jews employ the Holocaust to seize the victimhood narrative from the “real” victims of the Nazis, who are Russian Christians (or other non-Jewish eastern Europeans). Those who embrace Russian Christian nationalist ideology will be especially susceptible to this strain of antisemitism. ... in a 2021 article, former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev denounced Zelenskiy as disgusting, corrupt and faithless. The free democratic election of a Jewish president confirms in the fascist mind that the fascist bogeyman of liberal democracy as a tool for global Jewish domination is real. ... By claiming that the aim of the invasion is to “denazify” Ukraine, Putin appeals to the myths of contemporary eastern European antisemitism – that a global cabal of Jews were (and are) the real agents of violence against Russian Christians and the real victims of the Nazis were not the Jews, but rather this group. Russian Christians are targets of a conspiracy by a global elite, who, using the vocabulary of liberal democracy and human rights, attack the Christian faith and the Russian nation.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/25/vladimir-putin-ukraine-attack-antisemitism-denazify

febra , to world in Syria’s Assad claims Holocaust was a lie fabricated to justify creation of Israel

This guy is such a moron.

xmunk ,

No, he’s pretty smart - he knows he can get away with spewing complete bullshit.

PhlubbaDubba , to world in Syria’s Assad claims Holocaust was a lie fabricated to justify creation of Israel

Yeah let’s just ignore how the Assad family have been pursuing a “foreign policy” goal that basically amounts to, “Lebensraum but Alewite”

This is a state for which the resolution to both the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and Cyprus/North Cyprus conflict is, “ALL WILL BE CRUSHED BENEATH THE BOOT OF THE ASSAD DYNASTY!”

Lophostemon , to world in Syria’s Assad claims Holocaust was a lie fabricated to justify creation of Israel

The clue is in the name: ASS-ad.

random_character_a , to world in Syria’s Assad claims Holocaust was a lie fabricated to justify creation of Israel
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Sorry. Can’t really hear anything behind all those slaughtered Syrian citizens.

rikudou ,

Then you should perhaps learn to listen? That sounds 100% like an issue only you can solve.

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

But nothing of substance was said worth listening to.

kandoh ,

I can’t hear over the sounds of Syrian death screams

You:

Perhaps you should learn to listen than because the screams will never stop 😊

rikudou ,

You:

How about I pretend you said this thing instead of what you actually said.

DemocracyForUSA , to world in Hamas leader Sinwar said to narrowly evade capture by IDF two separate times

I would nuke the whole middle east. Fucking terrorists including the jews… What a Fucking genocide

jordanlund ,
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Removed under rule 6, advocating violence.

_edge , to world in Hamas leader Sinwar said to narrowly evade capture by IDF two separate times

Aren’t they negoting with Hamas? They probably know where they are…

Rapidcreek OP ,

I was going to add a story, but frankly I was too tired for the hassel I get. But, the israeli newspapers last night reported that Hamas had demanded a ceasefire before any hostage release. This, of course, puts any ceasefire in doubt. But, we’ll have to see.

ninjan , to world in Hamas leader Sinwar said to narrowly evade capture by IDF two separate times

Isn’t it better for the IDF/Israel if they don’t catch him since hunting him down is just about the only justifiable part of this whole war? If they catch him the pressure to stop the war will just increase, but if he’s still out there they can use that as a reason to continue their genocide.

How short would the war in Afganistan be if the US didn’t bomb everything to shit in the opening months and instead gathered Intel and sent in a special forces unit to take Bin Laden down? But if they did that then how would the Military Industrial Complex get their billions.

I know I’m being a bit of a conspiracy nut now but it’s just too convenient, isn’t it?

Rapidcreek OP ,

Capturing an/or killing him will be seen as a conclusion to the matter.

dlatch ,

And Santa Claus is real!

Keeponstalin ,
givesomefucks , to world in Hamas leader Sinwar said to narrowly evade capture by IDF two separate times

If they capture/kill leadership then they lose their rational for why their genocide is ok…

Same reason Netanyahu was letting suitcases of cash into Gaza for years.

For a far right government that doesn’t care about their own citizens, Hamas is a good thing. And it’s really hard to believe their support was tanking and they might lose power, then coincidentally all this shit popped off.

Either that, or the IDF is completely and totally incompetent

answersplease77 , to world in Jewish and Arab volunteers help Arab Israeli farmers suffering from labor shortage amid war in Gaza

Gaza on top of being impoverished with unemployment, the ones with job permits were farm slave labors. This proves israel is not an aparthied and the palestinians were happily living in open-air concentration camps their whole lives /s

snek , to world in Jewish and Arab volunteers help Arab Israeli farmers suffering from labor shortage amid war in Gaza
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Palestinian* volunteers.

djquadratic ,
@djquadratic@kbin.social avatar

And non Palestinians? What are you on about here

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

What I was referring to is how Israeli papers, especially ToI, refers to Palestinians (Palestinian citizens of Israel or otherwise) as “Arabs” as a form of cultural erasure.

Judging from the downvotes I got, it seems this was not as widely known as I’d assumed.

djquadratic ,
@djquadratic@kbin.social avatar

Actually there are a good number of Arab Israelis who are not of Palestinian origin. It’s a more encompassing term. Plus from what I know Times of Israel is left leaning - so you might be barking up the wrong tree here.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, there are many Arab Israelis, but there are many more “of Palestinian origin”.

I seriously doubt ToI are trying to be “encompassing”… Never heard anyone describe them as “left leaning”. I would personally describe them as a “state tabloid”.

Marsupial ,
@Marsupial@quokk.au avatar

After having a look, that’s not left leaning.

Centrist at best and centrism is basically just right wing anyway.

i_have_no_enemies OP ,

anyone that does not agree with my side is right wing

Marsupial ,
@Marsupial@quokk.au avatar

Yeah anything that’s not on the left is on the right. That’s kinda how it works.

HawlSera , to world in 'I am a Zionist,' says Biden at Hanukkah event, promises continued military assistance to Israel

Okay, we are officially the bad guys

nutsack ,

oh finally. i was wondering when that would happen. thanks

banneryear1868 ,

The last 70 years of sponsoring fascist coups around the world in the interests of capitalists made US the bad guys.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, but we can finally put the official Biden stamp on it.

Additional_Prune , to world in 'I am a Zionist,' says Biden at Hanukkah event, promises continued military assistance to Israel

Hate on Biden all you want, but please vote for him. Trump is worse. Trump was behind moving the US embassy to Jerusalem. Trump instituted a ban on travel to the USA from some (note some) Muslim majority countries. If Trump gets elected, expect Project 2025 to come to fruition.

archomrade ,
brain_in_a_box ,

So what are you going to do in 2028 if Biden does win?

Goferking0 ,

just keep voting blue so they move left

brain_in_a_box ,

Ah of course. Once they know you’ll vote for them no matter what they do, they’re sure to move left.

Reddfugee42 ,

It sucks that the alternative is “or autocratic fascism” but sometimes that’s life.

brain_in_a_box ,

Oh spare me, Dems have been saying that for every election in my life time. Does the phrase Vote or Die ring any bells?

When you try to claim every election is the last one, it loses its urgency.

nutsack ,

absolutely nobody is claiming that it’s the last election or that the next one will have a better democrat. you’re just making shit up

brain_in_a_box ,

Literally the guy I replied too.

nutsack ,

literally you can’t read for shit. no offense dude but pay more attention

brain_in_a_box ,

Lol, does the fact you have to resort to this kind of dishonest trolling not give you any pause for thought?

brain_in_a_box ,

But for the benefit of the audience, here is a selections of posts from this comment section of people predicting apocalypse if Trump wins.

lemmy.ml/comment/6631679

lemmy.ml/comment/6590132

lemmy.ml/comment/6599553

lemmy.ml/comment/6606090

lemmy.ml/comment/6595282

lemmy.ml/comment/6594576

lemmy.ml/comment/6635175

nutsack , (edited )

im guessing you aren’t functional. you are probably misrepresenting the premise on purpose, because i don’t think anyone is actually this stupid. you have some weird anti-social thing going on. i don’t care that much about american politics, but i probably wouldn’t like you as a person.

the premise is “A is shit but B is far worse”. it’s everywhere in the thread. it’s in your examples here. it’s a really common thing to say.

this premise is not in conflict with “A is still shit 4 years later”. this premise is not in conflict with “B is apocalyptically bad”. this premise is not equivalent to “A gets better if you vote A”.

stop trolling lemmy and go back to 4chan

brain_in_a_box , (edited )

Least ableist lib.

nutsack ,

trump, while being in office, will pull the overton window much further than you would by not voting

Goferking0 ,

A fact the dems don’t seem to be concerned about. We have 2 right wing parties

nutsack ,

the democrat party is right-wing. the Republican party is batshit fascist set on changing the rules, and they don’t fight fair

nutsack ,

grass roots activism and talking shit on the internet the same as before

brain_in_a_box ,

Funny, that’s exactly what I was told in 2020 when I asked about 2024, and yet here we are once again, once again being yelled at about how we have no choice but to vote for the right wing war criminal.

nutsack ,

yeah why would it be different? it’s the same situation. with the same people in it…

brain_in_a_box ,

So why should I expect it to be different in '28?

nutsack ,

you shouldn’t. i don’t know what your point is

brain_in_a_box ,

So you were lying earlier?

nutsack ,

…what

brain_in_a_box , (edited )

About your plan for '28

Synthead ,

Same thing as every election: vote!

brain_in_a_box ,

So the plan is to win every election from now until the end of days? I’m not if that’s realistic.

Synthead ,

I’m not sure what you’re alluding to. One party probably won’t win every election until the end of days, nor should it. However, votes are one way that we have a voice in government, and your government represents you less when your voice isn’t heard.

brain_in_a_box ,

So if democracy is just going to end sooner or later anyway, why bother vote?

Synthead ,

democracy is just going to end sooner or later anyway

This is speculative, and a bad reason to not vote on purpose. The US has a flawed democracy, and it can get better. Voting won’t “fix” our government alone, but not voting is a guaranteed way to let others choose and vote for you.

brain_in_a_box ,

Eh? I’ve been told, categorically, in the very thread, that I have to vote Biden or American democracy will end

Synthead ,

I have to vote Biden or American democracy will end

I made a graphic that describes what others have probably recommended:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/69b437bc-c9b1-4d2b-9bda-6435908e8749.png

If you vote for a candidate that you know will lose, then it practically makes the same impact as not voting at all.

brain_in_a_box ,

Well I know Biden is going to lose, so I guess I won’t vote. Especially if democracy is going to end anyway the next time Republicans get in.

Synthead , (edited )

You should probably get some outside opinions that aren’t on Lemmy. Lemmy seems to have a very specific crowd that tends to be an echo chamber for certain beliefs and opinions. There are better things to do with your vote than not vote at all.

Edit: The fact that this was down-voted is proof of Lemmy’s echo chamber tendencies, ha.

brain_in_a_box ,

Go tell that to the people in this very conversation saying that Democracy will end next time the republicans are in.

Synthead ,

It’s not worth my time. Thanks for the conversation.

brain_in_a_box ,

Lol, thanks for butting in.

Synthead ,
thedarkfly ,

In french, we call this “useful vote” and it sucks when it is a crucial strategy… but in a flawed electoral system it unfortunately is.

brain_in_a_box ,

If there’s only one candidate and you have to vote for him, then it’s not a democracy

Synthead ,

You might find this Wikipedia page interesting: en.wikipedia.org/…/The_Economist_Democracy_Index

brain_in_a_box ,

Why?

Synthead ,

It shows where the US stands compared to other countries in a democracy index. But it sounds like you aren’t interested, so I’m sorry to have bothered you.

brain_in_a_box ,

It shows where a bunch of British conservatives think the US stands on a ‘democracy index’ they made up themselves. Oh what a shock, they think their allies are democratic and their enemies aren’t. Why should I care

Did you think the ‘democracy index’ was handed down by God on a gold tablet?

Synthead ,

I only mentioned that you might find it interesting. Please take your emotions elsewhere.

brain_in_a_box ,

Fair enough.

Well here’s an article you might find interesting en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Semite_and_Jew#:~:te….

UncleBilly ,

Is he going to be alive by then?

steven ,

You guys are so f*cking screwed 🤷

Furbag ,

Trump is a Zionist too. He officially recognized Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel. Anybody who thinks they will fix the Israel problem by not voting for Biden is sorely mistaken.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

I doubt people think they can “fix the Israel problem by not voting for Biden”.

It’s more that they refuse to vote for an asshole.

1847953620 ,

stg democrats are trying so fucking hard to cause a schism party

foggianism ,

Trump is not the only republican option to vote on

hungryphrog ,

All republican options would be worse than Biden. Biden sucks but republicans suck more.

Tinidril ,

I wasn’t aware Biden had won the nomination. I know the establishment is openly canceling elections, but vote Biden to save Democracy!

Pengui , to world in 'I am a Zionist,' says Biden at Hanukkah event, promises continued military assistance to Israel

Please stop voting for these old fucks.

fluxion ,

Being old isn’t the issue here

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