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RampantParanoia2365 , to world in Far-right minister: Nuking Gaza is an option, population should ‘go to Ireland or deserts’

This would essentially be nuking themselves.

LEDZeppelin , to news in Far-right minister: Nuking Gaza is an option, population should ‘go to Ireland or deserts’

Are we the baddies?

SaltySalamander ,
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If you're from Israel and you support what your country is doing in Gaza, oh yea, you're 100% the bad guy.

MonkderZweite , to world in Far-right minister: Nuking Gaza is an option, population should ‘go to Ireland or deserts’

Stop talking if you don’t know shit.

probablyaCat , to news in Far-right minister: Nuking Gaza is an option, population should ‘go to Ireland or deserts’

I absolutely loathe Otzma Yehudit. They are like MAGA, Vox, National Rally, and the rest of the far right religious assholes. While I understand why Israel separated religious courts and authority from the government (don't like how they did it though), they should have, at the very least, tied voting and government eligibility to national service. So much of the ultra orthodox functions like the extremist Mormon FLDS does in the US. A fucking stain on my people.

Oofnik ,

By and large Otzma Yehudit voters do serve in the army. You are confusing Religious Zionists (who do serve, and make up the bulk of the far-right and settlers in Israel) with the Ultra-Orthodox (who do not serve, and largely don't have views about the conflict and are more worried about social programs for their community who are by and large poor).

Oofnik ,

This minister in particular didn't serve because he was considered a suspected terrorist. Too far right for the IDF - almost impressive.

probablyaCat ,

Oh damn. You're right. I'm a little more familiar with ben Gvir's history than the whole movement and conflated them. Looking into it, I have changed my stance. The military needs better separation of Torah and State. Also, ben Gvir and Otzma Yehudit are still just giant piles of shit.

I still have issues with much of the Haredi. Things like their iron grip on religious control in Israel, domestic abuse issues, cult like behavior, demanding special treatment, and feeding off of others to survive.

But yeah that isn't Otzma Yehudit. They're more of religious militants it seems. Certainly not helping the state of things. Doesn't help that the haredi groups and religious zionists easily form coalitions.

lolcatnip ,

I’m of two minds about national service. On one hand, it seems like a powerful tool to build national unity. On the other hand, I see a lot of risk that people will be forced to serve in ways that offend their conscience.

My main reference point is the US during the Vietnam War. Lots of people were conscripted and sent to fight in a war they didn’t believe in. Being a conscientious objector was a thing, but the criteria were very narrow, such that (for example) I would not have qualified even though I consider it an immoral war. The main way people got out of serving was though the exemption for people getting university degrees, but that of course is a very unfair system that only benefits people who are privileged enough to attend a university.

girlfreddy ,
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Mohammed Ali did time because of it, and was banned from boxing for a time.

squaresinger , (edited ) to news in Far-right minister: Nuking Gaza is an option, population should ‘go to Ireland or deserts’

Now they are openly advocating for genocide. His Nazi-comparison is wrong, because in this case, the one not “handing out” humanitarian aid is the Nazi.

One can be both a Jew and a Fascist.

(I am totally not saying that all Jews are Fascist, because that would be a malicious lie. All Jews that I encountered where really nice people doing their best. But that guy (and a worrying amount of other members of the Israeli government) is a faschist.)

breakfastmtn ,
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I don’t think there’s a “they” here. He was universally condemned for the remarks and kicked out of government . But, yeah, this dude’s a real piece of shit for sure.

girlfreddy ,
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According to the link he was suspended from cabinet meetings, not booted from his portfolio as Heritage Minister.

Norgur ,

Even if he was booted, it's a bad sign that
a) people like this have.been in the government at all
b) now came out of the woodwork with their bullshit because the atmosphere in general is so much in their favour overall that they just slightly misread the room when they came out to the public with their genocidal ideology.

DanL4 ,

This particular government is the worst we’ve ever had. It was chosen by Netanyahu, who, you might be surprised, isn’t at all a fascist, barely right winged. He is an opportunist. He took control of a mid to right winged party, one that made peace with Egypt. He realised his only way to gain votes (and later to get out of prison) was to outdo the right winged parties and ‘steal’ their voters. This made him good friends with the ultra orthodox and extreme right wingers. His party has become him, anyone still in his own party are idiots and imbeciles, none of who can operate a gevernment. Netanyahu is the scum of the earth, he has a government made of the worst our country has to offer. He is changing the laws and the governing system to get out of jail and become another Erdoğan/ bolsonaro /Putin, and just stay in power forever, stealing money from everyone as he has been doing for decades.

And idealist right winger would at least have a plan other than to save his own career and money while destroying the country and its institutions.

lolcatnip ,

A politician who surrounds himself with fascists is a fascist, even if he’s not a true believer. That’s why I don’t hesitate to call Trump fascist even though his motivations are clearly all about enriching himself and stroking his ego.

DanL4 ,

I’m OK with that definition too. Definitely not better than a fascist, arguably worse.

jabjoe , to world in IDF soldiers film themselves abusing, humiliating West Bank Palestinians
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You give people unchecked power over other people, and it will be abused. Occupying armies, prisons, police, clergy, you name it.

We just aren’t nice monkeys. So power has to be transparent and accountable.

TokenBoomer OP ,

Vote Matrix/SkyNet 2024!

/s

CosmicCleric ,
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Vote Matrix/SkyNet 2024!

I’m not sure that I agree with their population policies though.

postmateDumbass ,

Whatever you do, do not riot for bread in Bakersfield.

CosmicCleric ,
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If you do the Running Man will chase you down.

FlyingSquid , to news in Far-right minister: Nuking Gaza is an option, population should ‘go to Ireland or deserts’
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Sure. There’s no wind in Gaza, right?

Rapidcreek ,

It’d be like nuking your backyard

Etterra ,

I have a mosquito problem, better get out the mustard gas.

vaultdweller013 ,

I knew a guy who did this.

It didnt work.

eskimofry ,

It probably did. He no longer complains about mosquitos.

queermunist , to worldnews in Far-right minister: Nuking Gaza is an option, population should ‘go to Ireland or deserts’
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Libs still won’t call this genocide.

ArcaneSlime , to world in Far-right minister: Nuking Gaza is an option, population should ‘go to Ireland or deserts’

…am I misunderstanding the distance between israel and gaza or am I misunderstanding how nukes work? This sounds like a really bad plan unless I’m wrong about something.

pacific ,

Not an expert by any means, but nukes can get smaller than one would think. The fallout would be the most dangerous thing for Israel, in both the physical and political sense.

ubermeisters ,
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dojan , to world in Far-right minister: Nuking Gaza is an option, population should ‘go to Ireland or deserts’
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Wow, imagine having voted for this bucket head.

atro_city ,

That's an insult to buckethead. He's a great musician.

ubermeisters ,
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thanks for saying this, I wad ready to Don my armor and defend him also, but you already did the Lord work

audiomodder , to world in Hamas tried to send fighters to Egypt in ambulances for wounded Gazans — US official

Yes yes, good to see the news from the unbiased source of…lowers glasses…Times of Israel

mwguy OP ,

Other places are reporting it too. If you have a counter source please post.

Mrkawfee , to world in IDF soldiers film themselves abusing, humiliating West Bank Palestinians

Why is American media not showing any of this? Reading or watching US news is like being in a parallel universe.

TokenBoomer OP ,

I thought about posting this to the community. Should I? It breaks my heart that we are collectively letting this happen.

1847953620 ,

absolutely should. The heinous aspect of a truth should actually highlight the importance of it being common knowledge. It is in ignoring and burying it to avoid discomfort that helps enable repeating that which led to it.

jimbo ,

Are there media outlets in other countries, other than Israel, running articles like this? It would be interesting to know what you’re comparing it to.

Chocrates ,

Al Jazeera has good reporting usually. YouTube tells me they have questionable funding, I haven’t followed up on it.

pyrflie ,

Their funding is questionable but their coverage of the region is really good. They also cover a ton of topics in SE Asia that are only really touched upon otherwise by the BBC.

Maggoty ,

Israel has specifically threatened the families of Al Jazeera’s Palestinian team. That tells me all I need to know.

antidote101 ,

Israel is really good at misinformation, disinformation, information warfare and controlled narratives.

Rolando_Cueva ,

Isn’t misinformation and disinformation the same thing?

n0m4n ,

Almost. Disinformation is lying, while misinformation can be whaddaboutisms and/or a blackout of the inconvenient truths. Misinformation can include true facts, but use outliers as proof to their veracity. Misinformation can also include disinformation, but play semantics to minimize the controversies of labeling lies as the lies that they are.

Hamas continues to send missiles and hiding in areas barred from being attacked by military attacks from the rules of warfare. IDF says that they will not hold back on their counter-attacks, that the Palestinians were warned.

I see Russia attack Ukraine with the same terrorist targeting of civilian casualties as Hamas and Israel. My fear is that this is how warfare will be fought until enough carnage is inflicted that all sides see the consequences of breaking rules of engagement.

Morally, both sides (IDF and Hamas) have been bad for decades.

Kata1yst , to world in IDF says Hamas attacked troops as they opened Gaza evacuation corridor for civilians
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To use an old Reddit idiom, ESH. Except for the civilians in the crossfire, of course.

The leaders of Hamas and Israel are culpable and should be held fully responsible, but chances are slim to none

athos77 , to news in Far-right minister: Nuking Gaza is an option, population should ‘go to Ireland or deserts’

Serious question: what does Israel have against Ireland? Here they're saying that Hamas should go there, and earlier today there was a different article saying that Israel wasn't letting Irish nationals evacuate Gaza right now.

squiblet ,
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Ireland has a history of suggesting Israel chills out a bit.

OctopusKurwa ,

We recognise tyranny when we see it and have a lot solidarity with people living under an oppressive regime that hates them.

HubertManne ,

was wondering the same. looks like a few folk sorta explain it.

LazyBane , (edited ) to world in Hamas tried to send fighters to Egypt in ambulances for wounded Gazans — US official

Isn’t it convenient how every time the US or Israel bombs civilians they automatically know they we’re secretly terrorists the whole time?

homoludens , (edited )

Almost as if they were intentionally targeting terrorists…

Not saying they aren’t lying, but this proves exactly nothing.

mwguy OP ,

Ya it’s like they’re using the multiple billions of dollars we’ve invested in spy satellites and other technologies to track people against Hamas or something…

Sarmyth ,

It’d like the largest military and intelligence network was involved somehow…

Also these guys aren’t all “secret” terrorists. They go on TV and shit.

LazyBane ,

Is the US intelligence that good?

It just seems that in USA it’s self they can know about a guy whose been calling for help because he’s on the verge of shooting up a place and they don’t do nothing about it until they start shooting things up. US intelligence seems incredibly dysfunctional and if they can’t sort things out at home I don’t know how they would figure these things out abroad.

Sarmyth ,

Internal affair with 1 citizen is a police matter. Terrorists are the intelligence community’s focus. The same organizations wouldn’t be involved in both examples.

LazyBane ,

Fair point.

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