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athos77 , to news in Far-right minister: Nuking Gaza is an option, population should ‘go to Ireland or deserts’

Serious question: what does Israel have against Ireland? Here they're saying that Hamas should go there, and earlier today there was a different article saying that Israel wasn't letting Irish nationals evacuate Gaza right now.

squiblet ,
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

Ireland has a history of suggesting Israel chills out a bit.

OctopusKurwa ,

We recognise tyranny when we see it and have a lot solidarity with people living under an oppressive regime that hates them.

HubertManne ,

was wondering the same. looks like a few folk sorta explain it.

probablyaCat , to news in Far-right minister: Nuking Gaza is an option, population should ‘go to Ireland or deserts’

I absolutely loathe Otzma Yehudit. They are like MAGA, Vox, National Rally, and the rest of the far right religious assholes. While I understand why Israel separated religious courts and authority from the government (don't like how they did it though), they should have, at the very least, tied voting and government eligibility to national service. So much of the ultra orthodox functions like the extremist Mormon FLDS does in the US. A fucking stain on my people.

Oofnik ,

By and large Otzma Yehudit voters do serve in the army. You are confusing Religious Zionists (who do serve, and make up the bulk of the far-right and settlers in Israel) with the Ultra-Orthodox (who do not serve, and largely don't have views about the conflict and are more worried about social programs for their community who are by and large poor).

Oofnik ,

This minister in particular didn't serve because he was considered a suspected terrorist. Too far right for the IDF - almost impressive.

probablyaCat ,

Oh damn. You're right. I'm a little more familiar with ben Gvir's history than the whole movement and conflated them. Looking into it, I have changed my stance. The military needs better separation of Torah and State. Also, ben Gvir and Otzma Yehudit are still just giant piles of shit.

I still have issues with much of the Haredi. Things like their iron grip on religious control in Israel, domestic abuse issues, cult like behavior, demanding special treatment, and feeding off of others to survive.

But yeah that isn't Otzma Yehudit. They're more of religious militants it seems. Certainly not helping the state of things. Doesn't help that the haredi groups and religious zionists easily form coalitions.

lolcatnip ,

I’m of two minds about national service. On one hand, it seems like a powerful tool to build national unity. On the other hand, I see a lot of risk that people will be forced to serve in ways that offend their conscience.

My main reference point is the US during the Vietnam War. Lots of people were conscripted and sent to fight in a war they didn’t believe in. Being a conscientious objector was a thing, but the criteria were very narrow, such that (for example) I would not have qualified even though I consider it an immoral war. The main way people got out of serving was though the exemption for people getting university degrees, but that of course is a very unfair system that only benefits people who are privileged enough to attend a university.

girlfreddy ,
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Mohammed Ali did time because of it, and was banned from boxing for a time.

YoBuckStopsHere , to news in Far-right minister: Nuking Gaza is an option, population should ‘go to Ireland or deserts’
@YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world avatar

The United States has a base near Gaza, this would be the dumbest thing ever if it occurred. Israel would have the entire planet turn on it and this would lose all rights to a nation forever.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You know what is also right near Gaza? Israel. You know what doesn’t care about borders? Radiation.

This guy is a fucking moron even disregarding the genocidal nature of the comment.

dbilitated , to news in Far-right minister: Nuking Gaza is an option, population should ‘go to Ireland or deserts’
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Eliyahu also voices his objection during the interview to allowing any humanitarian aid into Gaza, saying “we wouldn’t hand the Nazis humanitarian aid,”

you are the Nazis at this point mate.

ghostdoggtv ,

The Nazis never had nukes or the backing of the United States. They didn’t have a state religion. They weren’t dispatching military assets to settle their neighboring territories. Zionism is worse than naziism.

too_high_for_this ,

Yikes

superduperenigma ,

They weren’t dispatching military assets to settle their neighboring territories.

My brother in Christ, what exactly do you think the Nazis were doing all over Europe during WWII?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German-occupied_Europe

Pips ,

They weren’t dispatching military assets to settle their neighboring territories.

What exactly do you think happened in the Western Front in WWII?

ZombiFrancis ,

Also the Eastern Front. And Czech lands. The Sudetenland. Austria.

It’s like, the thing that they did.

Pips ,

Adolf Hitler: Famed Isolationist

SheeEttin ,

They didn’t have a state religion, but not for lack of trying. Most of Germany was Christian in some way, and that was exploited by the Nazis, but they generally wanted their people to be Nazis first and anything else second. If Nazi Germany had continued, I’m sure Nazism would have been the state religion.

SaltySalamander ,
@SaltySalamander@kbin.social avatar

They weren’t dispatching military assets to settle their neighboring territories

So, what exactly would you call what they did during WW2? I'm with you on everything else you said, but this statement makes me think you know very little about history.

JustZ ,
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Well this is the dumbest thing I’ve read online lately, maybe ever.

cyd , to world in IDF says Hamas attacked troops as they opened Gaza evacuation corridor for civilians

I guess it was justified because the IDF was using civilians as human shields.

Threeme2189 ,

Just terrorists doing terrorist things…

FlyingSquid , to news in Far-right minister: Nuking Gaza is an option, population should ‘go to Ireland or deserts’
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Sure. There’s no wind in Gaza, right?

Rapidcreek ,

It’d be like nuking your backyard

Etterra ,

I have a mosquito problem, better get out the mustard gas.

vaultdweller013 ,

I knew a guy who did this.

It didnt work.

eskimofry ,

It probably did. He no longer complains about mosquitos.

Rapidcreek , to news in Far-right minister: Nuking Gaza is an option, population should ‘go to Ireland or deserts’

Always another idiot to be heard from. Happens everywhere.

TinyPizza ,
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Even in your neighborhood. Where there are potentially voyeurs about...
Which is a concern.

squaresinger , (edited ) to news in Far-right minister: Nuking Gaza is an option, population should ‘go to Ireland or deserts’

Now they are openly advocating for genocide. His Nazi-comparison is wrong, because in this case, the one not “handing out” humanitarian aid is the Nazi.

One can be both a Jew and a Fascist.

(I am totally not saying that all Jews are Fascist, because that would be a malicious lie. All Jews that I encountered where really nice people doing their best. But that guy (and a worrying amount of other members of the Israeli government) is a faschist.)

breakfastmtn ,
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I don’t think there’s a “they” here. He was universally condemned for the remarks and kicked out of government . But, yeah, this dude’s a real piece of shit for sure.

girlfreddy ,
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According to the link he was suspended from cabinet meetings, not booted from his portfolio as Heritage Minister.

Norgur ,

Even if he was booted, it's a bad sign that
a) people like this have.been in the government at all
b) now came out of the woodwork with their bullshit because the atmosphere in general is so much in their favour overall that they just slightly misread the room when they came out to the public with their genocidal ideology.

DanL4 ,

This particular government is the worst we’ve ever had. It was chosen by Netanyahu, who, you might be surprised, isn’t at all a fascist, barely right winged. He is an opportunist. He took control of a mid to right winged party, one that made peace with Egypt. He realised his only way to gain votes (and later to get out of prison) was to outdo the right winged parties and ‘steal’ their voters. This made him good friends with the ultra orthodox and extreme right wingers. His party has become him, anyone still in his own party are idiots and imbeciles, none of who can operate a gevernment. Netanyahu is the scum of the earth, he has a government made of the worst our country has to offer. He is changing the laws and the governing system to get out of jail and become another Erdoğan/ bolsonaro /Putin, and just stay in power forever, stealing money from everyone as he has been doing for decades.

And idealist right winger would at least have a plan other than to save his own career and money while destroying the country and its institutions.

lolcatnip ,

A politician who surrounds himself with fascists is a fascist, even if he’s not a true believer. That’s why I don’t hesitate to call Trump fascist even though his motivations are clearly all about enriching himself and stroking his ego.

DanL4 ,

I’m OK with that definition too. Definitely not better than a fascist, arguably worse.

Annoyed_Crabby , to news in Far-right minister: Nuking Gaza is an option, population should ‘go to Ireland or deserts’

He says the northern Strip has no right to exist, adding that anyone waving a Palestinian or Hamas flag “shouldn’t continue living on the face of the earth.”

🇵🇸

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

The Palestinians have found a solution to this.

It’s called watermelon.

audiomodder , to world in Hamas tried to send fighters to Egypt in ambulances for wounded Gazans — US official

Yes yes, good to see the news from the unbiased source of…lowers glasses…Times of Israel

mwguy OP ,

Other places are reporting it too. If you have a counter source please post.

assassin_aragorn , to world in Hamas tried to send fighters to Egypt in ambulances for wounded Gazans — US official

I understand the skepticism, but this is where it’s good to know your history. Radical militants have snuck in with Palestinian refugees before in the past. This has happened before.

It’s why Egypt was so reticent to accept refugees. These radicals have snuck in and caused civil strife. They even killed the King of Jordan, in what’s called Black September. This is why neighboring Arab countries aren’t taking in refugees either.

Hamas is utterly evil.

mwguy OP ,

Oh I’m not really that skeptical of the report. Hamas has done this multiple times before.

stella , to world in Hamas tried to send fighters to Egypt in ambulances for wounded Gazans — US official

Forgive me if I don’t take everything the US says on the matter at face value.

PhlubbaDubba ,

It was a joint verification with Egypt

Rapidcreek , to news in Hamas tried to send fighters to Egypt in ambulances for wounded Gazans — US official

It’s truly bizarre how the world holds Israel to an imposssible ethical standard, while Hamas may be the least ethical organization on the planet and people are cool with that.

Ryan213 ,
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Don’t kill children.

Israel: impossible!

Rapidcreek ,

If dead Palestinian Gazan babies upset you more than dead Jewish babies, Arab Druze Babies, Muslim Bedouin Babies, Ethiopian Falasha Babies, African Guest Worker babies … all of whom HAMAS executed by hand on 10-7. Reevaluate your life.

I respect peace activists who march to stop ALL deaths of children.

poo ,
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You’re such a troll. Grow up.

Rapidcreek ,

Sorry if the truth hurts

eee OP ,

I think it’s just lemmy. I’ve been browsing reddit more because sadly lemmy seems to have a rather extreme pro-Palestine bias, whereas reddit has a slight pro-Israel bias.

AI_toothbrush ,

Im not cool with hamas. Its a shitty terrorist group. But so is israels military.

LaLiLuLuCo , (edited ) to world in Hamas tried to send fighters to Egypt in ambulances for wounded Gazans — US official

The active Astro turfing in this thread, and on lemmy in general, when facts conflict with a pro Hamas narrative is fucked up.

E: You guys are making it really obvious when 5 or more down votes are applied all at once.

snek ,
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Quote the pro hamas narrative or are we supposed to take your vague word for it?

LaLiLuLuCo ,

It’s called checking the down vote history which is public if you run a federated instance.

Or how certain instances you frequent ban people for posting facts.

snek , (edited )
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Link specifically to some that support your claim? You made the claim, you support it.

You mentioned it happened in this thread. Show me please? You also said it’s in lemmy in general, honestly please share some evidence or take your statement elsewhere where people will take you on face value.

halfempty , to world in Hamas tried to send fighters to Egypt in ambulances for wounded Gazans — US official
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This explanation sounds too flimsy to believe. Seems more like a cover story after the fact for the insane bombing of hospitals and a caravan of ambulances within a clear pattern of overall genocide.

LaLiLuLuCo ,
deft ,

while considered a war crime those crimes only ever apply in some weird optic bullshit way like nobody gets punished for this shit at all so honestly I don’t really care that they do this. I care more it takes from civilians but still feel Israel forces these tactics.

Meanwhile Israel is using WP weapons and nobody seems to respond to that.

This conflict is war crimes galore but one of these combatants has far more resources than the other. That power imbalance should be considered

LaLiLuLuCo ,

WP is allowed for artillery range finding and is the US procedure as well.

That’s what’s it’s been used for. In Lebanon most of the wounded civilians got sent home the same day because Hezbollah doesn’t do the human shield shit to the same genocidal intent.

The Rome treaty you are thinking of Israel is not a party to BTW. Same as the USA.

mwguy OP ,

It’s not like Hamas hasn’t been caught using ambulances to smuggle military goods around before.

RickyRigatoni ,
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I think these hamas ambulances are as real as the middle eastern WMDs.

Buddahriffic ,

I can believe this happens without condoning just bombing the shit out of any group of ambulances because they might contain fighters.

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