That’s not how visa bans work ‘As a result, the Secretary of State may order U.S. consular officers at U.S. embassies and consulates in these countries to implement visa restrictions on certain categories of visa applicants. These sanctions may remain in place until the Secretary of Homeland Security notifies the Secretary of State that removal cooperation has improved to an acceptable level.’
The names of those sanctions have most likely already been uploaded to the US embassies and consulates in Israel, waiting to be denied if they go and try to get one.
And unfortunately Biden grated visa waivers for Israel earlier this year. Nobody has to apply for a visa so there is no screening process or way to weed these bad actors out.
That's great! Escalation shouldn't occur by non-state actors and hopefully this will act as a deterrent for civilian violence even if Bibi's administration is unwilling to punish them.
@altofaltception this is partly what I had envisioned, more eyes on recent settler violence due to the war leading to pressure to hopefully have them dealt with permanently.
And at the same time it’s totally plausible, that’s what makes it dangerous. No one knows who to believe and no UN forces want to get killed trying to keep things as fair as possible.
“No one knows who to believe” the statement there is for a reason. Killing Journalist and targeting their families, cutting communication is the reason.
At least now they admit it happened. Now to convince them that maybe intentionally targeting civilians, raping, and kidnapping people isn’t a good thing that should be celebrated.
Fat chance that will happen with the PLO as it is now. They figured out a long time ago that they get rich from not signing peace deals.
They (officials) never claimed it, it was only 1 journalist who said it, Israel claimed that 40 babies have died some with their head missing and that's true.
What is this insane lie? Not only did the israli officials claim it. They took it so far even JOE BIDEN claimed it. It was a blantant lie the IDF told everyone. Here’s evidence (see it’s not that hard to provide evidence!)
If anything this IDF strategy of: lie about beheaded babies, lie about hostages being dead, lie about tunnels they built, lie about their people dying from IDF fires, will make it really tough to believe anything else they say and discredit any actual war crime happened in October 7.
If they stopped for a day to actually think, and used international pressure to stop hamas fundings and intelligence to actually solve and portect the people we wouldn’t be in the mess.
Yet they caught on their history of lies and make it really hard to believe some of the rape stories that came up.
In fact the more you dig up historical war crime commited by IDF you will see the stories of mass graves, and baby in oven, and underage kids, some are 6 and 7, being arrested and put in prison without any charges and other atrocious acts the world pertend not to happend.
@gedaliyah said there was video evidence, so I’ll settle for that. He hasn’t shared it yet, though, despite getting very angry when someone said there was no proof.
Makes me dubious about there being any proof at all 🤷
Oh wait it’s nothing! No videos no pictures. No evidence aside from someone that supposedly said they witnessed “Khamass raping errbody out there”.
The rape kits? “Don’t work since the bodies are completely burned from all the Hellfire missles the Apache helicopter friendly fired israelis with”. Blame it all on Khamass!
Take your chauvinist, murder fetishistic, terrorist apologia back to infowars. They let you deny murdered babies and attack rape victims with impunity over there.
Even better, get some help, go touch grass. You are sick and need contact with other real life humans.
I, too, am waiting for this ‘video evidence’ of rapes he’s so certain about that he’s willing to call someone “a special kind of disgusting” for claiming there’s no proof.
This video evidence should clear everything up for everyone, unless he was lying.
I just wanted to say thanks for removing the personal attack that ended this post previously! It got reported and I WOULD have removed it, but you did the right thing and removed it yourself.
Yeah since the other commenter above me decidated an entire paragraph to insults towards me (actually, the entire comment is just insulting me there is no substance) I did add an ad-hom but decided it would be better without attacking him personally so I edited it out.
Please don’t remove his comments though I’m waiting for him to respond with evidence.
Can’t you just share the ‘video evidence’ to prove him wrong?
You’re the one who said there was evidence, share it so we can all see without a doubt that you aren’t full of shit. The fact that you’re saying “there’s evidence” then throw a hissy-fit when pressed to show it tells me that there isn’t actually evidence and you’re lying through your teeth.
The easy way to prove me wrong would be to share your evidence. Only a fool would take the word of reddit/lemmy comments at face value.
The burdon of proof lies with the one making claims. They aren’t making any claims. They are only asking for evidence. Would you say the same thing to people questioning the (fake) justifications of war the US used to invade Iraq?
WTF are you talking about? This is an internet forum, not a courtroom. I’m conveying facts that have been widely reported and verified by reputable international news agencies.
Articles, videos, testimony, etc. have already been provided here. If you believe that ALL the evidence presented here is somehow wrong, then feel free to give your reasoning and evidence point by point for all of the journalists, medical professionals, and world leaders being somehow wrong.
Or you can be like the other sick-minded people who have requested to personally see videos of women being raped.
The articles linked in this thread discuss the police, forensics experts, journalists, etc. Who have seen the bodies of women with genital injuries or mutilation. They have seen footage taken from the video the terrorists themselves took and videos from victims. They have testimony from victims. They have statements from the captured Hamas terrorists.
If your first reaction to hearing about a woman being raped is “show me the video or it didn’t happen,” then yes, you are a chauvinist and a sick person. Questioning women who are reporting rape is not “legitimate discussion.” It is victim shaming and empowering sexual assault.
Your first link has zero evidence (as do all your other links) just the generic “someone said they were gang raping, we don’t have any evidence though nor rape kits, just believe us”.
The second link is an edited video with someone that seems to talk in a Pashtun accent over it so I’m assuming that is a Taliban(?) video with random subtitles. Is that video even from this conflict? Your fact-check link says that there seems to be no real evidence, just oral allegations. And we know from the 40 beheaded babies how credible those are. All the women release by Hamas in the last few days don’t seem to be raped that’s for sure.
I’m not going to spend hours debunking every single lie you post. Can you just post a single link with evidence please thanks.
So, all you have are testimonies from people who claim to have seen video evidence?
You haven’t actually seen the evidence yourself? People saying there is video evidence is not the same as there actually being video evidence.
Just say you have people’s testimonies, because that’s all there is.
Unless you can share the actual video evidence instead of just people saying it exists.
It’s funny watching how transparent propagandist tactics are with just a little nudge.
If your first reaction to hearing about a woman being raped is “show me the video or it didn’t happen,” then yes, you are a chauvinist and a sick person. Questioning women who are reporting rape is not “legitimate discussion.” It is victim shaming and empowering sexual assault.
There it is. We’re the bad guys for asking for evidence, he’s not the bad guy for making a grave claim without providing evidence to support it.
Then he lies about the evidence that he said exists and links to a bunch of nonsense as though it proves his point.
You’re the one who said there was video evidence. Why are you getting so mad when people ask you to share it? Because it doesn’t exist and you’re lying.
Want to prove me wrong? Don’t link to a bunch of testimonies claiming they’re videos. Show me the videos themselves. It only takes 1 link.
You can’t do that though because you’re lying. The only way to prove me wrong is to share the video evidence.
I thought Fatah and Hamas were against each other? Fatah certainly lost the vote in Gaza against them. This sounds like some sort of political rewriting of history.
There’s a bunch of pro Palestinian accounts that all only post comments about the war and joined about the same time (not at Reddit API influx). The mods should ban clear propaganda accounts
I think mods should ban any account that argues points without reputable sources to back their claims. The amount of “they bombed hospitals” without evidence is pretty staggering.
You think little children dying as their blood drains away with their limbs blown away, or their life slowly fadding as their bodies are crushed by the rubble of what moments ago was their home or being burn through till their internal organs fail in complete total panic by a piece of burning white phosporous whose fire they cannot stopped, from a round that hit their schoolyard, is any better?!
Is them being arabic-speaking muslims that makes their horrible deaths acceptable in your eyes, even while the deaths of jewish hebrew speaking children are not?!
It’s really hard to see any other reason than the most disgustingly extreme psychopatic racism for somebody to justify the horrible murder of children using the murder of other children by people whose only relation is being from the same ethnic group.
You think little children dying as their blood drains away with their limbs blown away, or their life slowly fadding as their bodies are crushed by the rubble of what moments ago was their home or being burn through till their internal organs fail in complete total panic by a piece of burning white phosporous whose fire they cannot stopped, from a round that hit their schoolyard, is any better?!
Literally everyone thinks some kinds of deaths are better than others. Dying slowly and painfully due to someone’s maliciousness is generally considered among the worst.
You’re weird for trying to make this some sort of gotcha.
Literally only people very high in the sociopath end of the spectrum would think one gruesome kind of child murder justifies a different kind of gruesome child murder, to the point of using one to justify the other in an argument genuinelly believing other human beings will be swayed by that.
People in the normal human range within the sociopathy spectrum neither think “an eye for an eye” applies to the murdering of children - no matter the method used - nor think other people can be swayed to accept child murder by pointing out that child murders were commited by people only related to the former children by etnicity.
In fact normal people don’t even think one kind of child murder justifies the other kind of child murder even when the latter children have direct family relations to the murderers of the former.
You need to be quite the sociopath to merelly think somebody murdering children justifies killing their kids, and you need to be extremelly sociopathic to think somebody murdering children justifies killing kids of the same etnic group.
People whose psychological makeup is such that they trully believe child murder justifies child murder and, worse, that others think the same, need professional help, deseperatelly so.
Literally only people very high in the sociopath end of the spectrum would think one gruesome kind of child murder justifies a different kind of gruesome child murder,
A) this is quite incorrect
But more importantly
B) I never said anything justified anything
Perhaps engage with just a shred of intellectual honesty and good faith
And I’m pretty sure you don’t and also that it’s irrelevant given your options are hyperbole with one being almost benign and the other literally Fargo when those aren’t the options here nor are they what is happening in Gaza.
Again actual gaslighting with misogyny and the assumption I’m female. Love it. Point blank your argument is so shitty you can’t defend it, not won’t but literally can’t.
Good luck with the douchebag routine, maybe a read a book instead of trying and failing to stroke your ego.
Yes yes, my hand messes up because it’s going paralyzed, we went over this but at least this time your mocking something real and not inexpert opinion from an asshole.
Yeah being murdered with a hoe is definitely worse.
I actually brought this up with my elderly father at Thanksgiving lol. He thought it was hilarious that you went so berserk over it, and we came up with some of my comments together.
It was actually a really sweet little moment. I’m thankful for you.
So you’re just as much of a sad shitty person in real life, neat brag. No one has gone berserk I’m persistent, someone is running away and it certainly isn’t me.
I imagine none of it actually happened so sure, whatever you need bud.
Back to your shitty argument so if the the person bombed is beheaded by explosive is that than equal to or greater than this theoretical hoe beheading.
It’s weird to me that you value one human life over another. How many lives is a hoe beheading worth? Two, three? Ten? Because we’re at about 10x as many civilians casualties in Gaza. How many until Israel breaks even?
Similarly death by building, or explosive dismemberment notoriously not fast or painless.
That’s quite literally what you’re doing right now, we’re actively discussing it. I’m bad at math but goddamn homie you’d figure the guy on the high horse could figure out 1+1=2.
You want me to quote to you something that is two comments above this one? Egomaniacal and lazy, neat combo no wonder research is so difficult for you.
Again those weren’t the options bud, the comment you responded to specifically says slow and painful. You gloss over that fact because… You’re a bigot.
You think little children dying as their blood drains away with their limbs blown away, or their life slowly fadding as their bodies are crushed by the rubble of what moments ago was their home or being burn through till their internal organs fail in complete total panic by a piece of burning white phosporous whose fire they cannot stopped, from a round that hit their schoolyard, is any better?!
That’s because it a dumb bit of hyperbole from a loon that doesn’t understand how human bodies function.
Edit: but even still, us disagreeing on which is a worse death is not at all a discussion about the value of the life being taken. Someone dies in both instances - the value of human life is not being discussed at all.
That you think it is being discussed, and went so insane about it, is embarrassing. As I said before.
Ah another “crazy” person, everyone you deal with seems to be crazy huh? It’s not that maybe you’re a bigot. It’s not hyperbole, those things have objectively happened in Gaza during the conflict, Israel doesn’t deny it why do you.
It absolutely is, you were given two horrific examples of death and chose one over the other that’s giving them values.
relative worth, utility, or importance.
Someone dies in both instances - the value of human life is not being discussed at all.
It absolutely is being discussed, you just don’t see it because to do so would mean accepting that gazans are people not terrorists.
Again, bigoted insults, I do enjoy how easy you’re making proving your bigotry. What’s next another joke about my disability?
There are plenty of good ways to die. My daughter’s grandpa on her mom’s side got to choose how to pass and it was beautiful, surrounded by loved ones.
It would be great if we all got to make a choice and have it be easy.
Sounds like we agree on something, bigots do tend to be very petty people. I imagine so, bud but that’s not a metric of who will speak last. There’s no timelimit on response bud.
You’re a bigot at least be an honest bigot. An ashamed Nazi is still a Nazi after all.
Yes yes, because things I can show objectively are in my head. You want to try that again but be logical and make sense? No no, what you did was assume that being crushed by a building is painless and not terror inducing because you don’t value Palestinian life given your comments thus far.
You were given a situation. Ie. Crushed slowly under a building or beheaded by hoe and decided one is more valuable than the other. Words matter, context matters, actions matter and all of yours point to a bigoted outlook which is why you seem to equate Palestinians as terrorists, not people.
That’s not an explanation bud that’s a very obvious very pathetic dodge. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say you won’t explain it because it’s almost certainly very bigoted.
Then you’d be committing an ethical violation in calling me insane without physical observation. Guaranteed you are not a medical professional, I’m willing to bet you’re an actual factual child.
That’s your opinion Bud it’s also shitty deflection but do go on, the more you insist I’m crazy and refuse to stand by your argument the weaker you argument becomes.
It really hasn’t, it’s generic un geolocated video yet again and Israel is known to fake video. At the same time it’s not at all proof of their nonsense claims.
To be fair, Al Jazeera is blatantly anti-Israel, so I wouldn’t trust their analysis without other corroborating sources. Regardless, the evidence the IDF presented for that particular video was far from conclusive, so it’s certainly possible that particular entrance wasn’t to the Hamas tunnel network.
I also don’t doubt that nurse video is fake, but the source of the video is far from definitive. Many parties in this conflict benefit from muddling the waters with fake videos.
As if being anti-Israel means that Al Jazeera throws journalistic integrity into the wind? If the facts are valid, they’re valid regardless of what the spin being put on them is.
Bias needs to be taken into account, but it does not invalidate good reporting on its own. It’s the same reason I don’t immediately believe all statements from the IDF. They are a party in the conflict and extremely biased. They are however a valuable source of information and their claims should be considered. I would also rank the credibility of the IDF over the credibility of Hamas.
The IDF, as I’ve shown, has zero journalistic integrity. If Hamas starts to spread verifiably fake videos to Western audiences, I’ll discredit them too.
You’re miles up shit creek and so all you see is shit. You’re stuck comparing a nice big long shit to a gloopy one. Paddle down a bit and maybe you’ll get some clear water for once.
Hamas bombed their own hospital and then said the IDF did it and everyone ate it up
Saying you blindly believe Hamas, a known terrorist organization that says that all Jews worldwide should be wiped out, is really taking the mask off. You should be ashamed of yourself. It’s fine to assume Israel lies, but to blindly trust Hamas is truly moronic. I hope you wake up to reality one day
Not a great example. All recent reporting was that the hospital you’re talking about was hit by a Hezbollah rocket, not Hamas. Not surprising that Hamas would assume, after concluding it wasn’t them, that it was the IDF, and it not be an outright lie.
Well the most obvious example is the strike on that hospital killing 500 that ended up being a failed PIJ rocket landing on the hospital parking lot killing 10-20 people.
I will believe the findings of a third party investigation which the UN has called for. The “evidence” provided by the IDF is not at all conclusive. As I said, you can’t pretend otherwise unless you trust the IDF.
Sure, just keep your blinders on and keep going. It’s not like other governments corroborated that or anything. A fact you chose to clearly ignore in the comment you replied to.
The US and Israel are the only one making strong claims about who is responsible. France and Canada statements were not conclusive and did not “verify” Israel’s supposed evidence like you said. I think I’d rather wait for a third party investigation before I conclude that Israel, the country who’s had killed over 5000 children in little over a month, is free from culpability in this one instance.
You don’t have to convince me. Giving and medical care, education, and food to a people under blockade is totally the equivalent of giving bombs and guns to a state that’s actively committing war crimes. If it turns out to be a PIJ rocket, the UN will be directly implicated in a war crime and therefore they aren’t trustworthy. It makes perfect sense if you don’t think about it.
I’m honestly confused because the original article just says Hamas was seen taking one of the hostages to the hospital. Isn’t that a good thing like hey they are trying to make sure these people don’t die?
Wouldn’t it be better to not murder, rape and kidnap a couple thousand innocent civilians in the first place?
I mean, come on man… You’re acting as if taking two kidnapped Israeli citizens to hospital overshadows how they got into that situation in the first place.
Yeah I completely agree with your sentiment your talking about both sides right? I’m saying that it makes no sense to bomb a hospital if your enemy is taking the hostages there the get healed unless you don’t care about the hostages and just want to kill Palestinians.
Yeah I agree with both sides. You realize Israel has been arresting children simply because someone said they picked up a rock or said free Palestine. Sounds like both sides are taking hostages.
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