this is going to be locked for a variety of reasons:
this is essentially propaganda/an extremely biased opinion piece
it uncritically adopts the framing of Elise Stefanik when she is neither a good faith actor generally, nor asking questions about “calling for the genocide of the Jews” in good faith. it’s very clear she just means “pro-Palestinian demonstrators” when she talks about people “calling for genocide” and that’s stupid.
it’s just not a good article, generally. there are plenty of other, better articles that can be used as a vessel to talk about Israel-Palestine (including ones that have a pro-Israeli voice)
What a garbage article, like, start to finish manipulative attempt to build a stupid narrative. Like, antisemitism is a real thing but this kind of nonsense discredits real attempts to call it out.
The chanting, I think, calling for intifada, global revolution, [is] very disturbing,” Magill said during questioning. “I believe at minimum that is hateful speech that has been and should be condemned.
Intifada means “resistance.” Every occupied people has a right to resist. Except, apparently, Palestinians.
… grilled Gay on Harvard’s Middle East Studies courses, which she claimed included “false accusations that Israel is a racist, settler colonialist, apartheid state
Well, it is. No amount of trying to conflate support for human rights with antisemitism is going to change that.
If this is what they mean by “hate” nobody should be surprised that lots of people aren’t buying it.
As the university presidents were trying to explain to Clown Shoes, sorry, I mean Elise Stefanik: Harassment is conduct that is severe or pervasive enough to create an environment that a reasonable person would consider intimidating, hostile, or abusive. A one-time generalized statement calling for genocide not targeted at a specific individual would not usually rise to the level of harassment per se, but can certainly be part of a pattern of harassment. Similarly, actual bullying is a pattern of abusive behavior and cannot be defined by any single act as it is often used colloquially.
That's the game Stefanik is playing: She knows these universities' policies are bound by the actual, legal definitions of "harassment" and "bullying" but she's counting on her ignorant audience not knowing those definitions and instead thinking the words are defined as what they use them for in their own lives: someone being mean.
It’s especially disappointing given the mission statement of beehaw. You know, the one they require every user to read when signing up and write a statement about?
… we grew increasingly upset with modern social media. Modern social media has become a breeding ground for hate speech, for trolls, and for bad behavior. We don’t want to recreate that environment. We want to explicitly make a nice little corner of the internet where we can hide from racist, sexist, ableist, colonialist, homophobic, transphobic, and other forms of hateful speech.
They are bombing Hamas terrorists, their enemy, not refugees. You must remember that Hamas fighters and civilians look exactly the same, and they deliberately lurk among the civilians. This is obviously not genocide.
I’ll give you a hint in form of a question that may lead you towards the truth: What happens to the amount of population in a genocide?
I’m guessing you’re gonna say that there is no genocide if not all or most of the people are killed, because then their people have survived. But, genocide also incorporates cultural genocide. Today the day definitions are one and the same. Destroying someone’s culture and history also qualities, like during slavery.
The methods employed in genocide includes the methods of colonialism, persecution, subversion and the destructions of farms, Mosques, churches, hospitals, libraries, monuments, etc. Anything to persecute, harass and destroy someone.
Take for instance “the gypsies”. A people in diaspora from a nation state that doesn’t exist, roaming Europe forever, with no land to call their own.
That’s the fate the Israeli state wants for Palestine. It is still technically genocide.
I’m guessing you’re gonna say that there is no genocide if not all or most of the people are killed, because then their people have survived. But, genocide also incorporates cultural genocide.
No, I’m saying that population doesn’t grow during a genocide.
That’s the fate the Israeli state wants for Palestine. It is still technically genocide.
But… Palestinian Arabs are >20% of the population of Israel. You’re making absolutely no sense.
Living under the tyranny of those who took your land, destroyed your cultural heritage and then swept your suffering and the death of your loved ones under the rug, using terrorism as some sort of justification? This is something you’ll have to clear with the native Americans and Inuits, even some other nomadic people.
Like again, I alluded to the Roma people (or Gypsy’s) for a reason. A broken folk, subjected under Romania (even though it has nothing to do with Roma folk), the “gypsies” lost their land in the North of India. Ever since, they’ve wandered as a people without ancestral lands, and that is a huge problem for not only the psyche, but also the culture has been subverted, destroyed and is but a husk of it’s former self.
This is why the technical definition of genocide has moved beyond body count.
I know in one case this is a bs slant. The person said its abhorrant but measures would only be taken if action was taken. IE the speech will not be silenced by the university but actually violence will not be allowed.
Zionists call anything short of unconditional support for Israel and it’s far right government an anti-semetic call for genocide of Jews. It’s propaganda.
So in other words they understood that they were being called on to condemn antisemitism in order to help reinforce the narrative that these college rallies were antisemitic protests, when in fact they were pro-Palestinian ones.
Good on them for choosing to side with their students rather than give the anti-Palestinian camp their manufactured “professors condemn antisemitic student rallies” soundbites.
Refuse to engage with their genocide-backing rhetoric that tries to tie being pro-Palestinian to being antisemitic.
I feel like there’s some weird context here. Why does Stefanik want to get that “yes” and why are they reluctant to say it? Would it be a declaration of some university policy that would lead to suppressing the demonstrations or what?
I read this more as “Heads of 3 top US colleges refuse to trap themselves in what was likely to be a performative thread of anti-Palestinian questions from one of Congress’s most shameless clown-people (Elise Stefanik).”
To be clear, from the article itself:
The university leaders all personally criticized anti-Israel activism.
On second thought, it may not have even been anti-Palestinian per se, but rather more careless exploitation in pursuit of CRT-adjacent nonsense.
Some Republicans sought to paint campus antisemitism as a product of universities embracing “the race-based ideology of the radical left,”
Saying Israel is biased and untrustworthy isn’t taking a side unless you think Israel can’t be criticized. In which case, I don’t care what you have to say.
Ever notice that during any of these “hostage” exchanges, Israel always has a ready supply of Palestinian “prisoners” to exchange in return? Funny how it’s only one side taking “hostages”.
It’s almost like one side is arresting specific people with handcuffs and eventually pressing actual charges instead of sending in a giant group of people to abduct as many people as possible.
Again, arrested not abducted. They are going to an actual prison with actual charges applied eventually. Whether or not those charges are warranted is up for debate.
Yeah, just like the Israelis word I’m not taking Hamas’ word for shit. They both lie all the time.I like the kid who said they broke his hand while there is hella footage of him using it while being released.
This place removed a link to Shanis body you know that woman who was “arrested” and thrown in the back of a truck and then stripped and spat on. Stop censoring things.
Sure, show me Israel sending waves of people into Palestine shooting every single person that moves, show me a bus stop of elderly Palestinians slaughtered. Show me a grandma being gunned down in her home. Show me Palestinian women bleeding profusely from her vagina tied and shoved into the back of a stolen car by the IDF.
It’s almost like one side is arresting specific people with handcuffs
We call that an apartheid state. Framing laws to specifically target an ethnic group so you can expell and eradicate them. In the US we called them Jim Crow laws.
In the US when you kill random people it’s murder and when you take random people who aren’t breaking any laws and child them captive, then it’s kidnapping.
Alright, that is simply not true. Most of these people are held in “administrative detention” indifinetely and don’t even get to see a judge. When they get to see a judge, they end up in a military court for offences as simple as throwing rocks, and the punishments are disproportionately harsh. The conviction rate of these courts was at around 99.7% a few years ago. Don’t just take it from me, take it from Breaking the silence, an israeli NGO comprised of ex IDF soldiers that served in the occupied territories and are now speaking out.
Dude, throwing stones at people is definitely an arrestable offense. If a group of people started to chuck rocks at me, I’d want them arrested. The fuck?
I never said they were right or just charges just they do in fact get charged or released eventually. They aren’t literal fucking hostages with demands being made. Fucking christ I don’t really like Israel but all you people are dumb as fuck if you really think Hamas captivity is anyway comparable.
These people are prosecuted under military law. Settlers that commit the same or even worse acts of violence are prosecuted under civilian law. This is the first big difference. The second big difference is the harshness with which these people are prosecuted in military courts. Settler crimes are considered to be of civilian nature and thus are simple misdemeanors or felonies. The occupied’s crimes are prosecuted under military law and thus are considered to be a threat of national security often paired up with terrorism charges for what would be a simple misdemeanor under civillian law.
Secondly, you can be kept under administrative detention indifinetely without any charge, even as a minor. That is not justice. That is hostage taking. I say that these people are hostages because first and foremost they haven’t had open, fair trials and secondly Israel convenientelly uses them as leverage whenever they see fit. They are a trading card for the occupying force.
The regime these people are subjected to is a regime of terror. They have no rights. Soldiers do not need a mandate to enter their homes and search them. Soldiers are strictly prohibited from protecting the occupied from settler violence. That is the job of the civil police, which is often controlled by the settlers. Sterile streets (streets where the occupied are not allowed to walk on; that’s exactly what the IDF calls them) are a normal sighting in the occupied territories. The rule of the land for the IDF is to “make their presence felt”. This means playing by no concrete rules, not letting the occupied see the rule book, creating chaos, so that they never know what to expect. These people have been living in a constant state of terror. That is state sponsored terror.
I would say that while definitely not the same you can very well compare the situations these civillians live in, given that an external force is wreaking havoc in their lives in unimaginable ways using terror and abduction.
I’m not reading all that, if you can’t tell the difference between arrest with handcuffs and charges(yes even false charges) vs a massacre and ending up a hostage that’s on you.
I think killing Palestinian children, robbing families of their homes, rounding up and detaining adolescents is doing a pretty good job of that already.
By random people, you mean occupiers that have stolen their land. We cheer the Ukrainians for defending their land from genocidal occupiers. I feel the same towards the Palestinian people.
Given the rumours about Egypt giving a warning 3 days earlier, I don't think Hamas is likely the only potential source or beneficiary of the information.
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