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Jimmycakes , to world in Tensions grow as 160 tonnes of Ukrainian grain sabotaged in Poland

Can’t they like scoop it back in there and sift out any dirt.

Ilovethebomb , to world in Tensions grow as 160 tonnes of Ukrainian grain sabotaged in Poland

Fucking terrorists is what these assholes are.

assassinatedbyCIA , to world in Italian police investigate ‘murder by spaghetti’ mystery

Mama mia

Uglyhead , to world in Italian police investigate ‘murder by spaghetti’ mystery
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Great niece accused of altering 80-year-old’s will and masterminding plot to kill her by feeding her meal that she would choke on

Daaamn. Greed is fucked up.

BigBananaDealer , to news in Couples race to move frozen embryos out of Alabama after court defines them as children
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if a woman has a period and has had sex, there is a good chance a fertilized egg was probably somewhere around the blood, making every woman in Alabama who has had sex a possible serial killer

milicent_bystandr ,

I think you’re a little confused about the normal reproductive cycle.

BigBananaDealer ,
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what do i have wrong

boogetyboo ,
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Periods are shedding the lining of the uterus and the unfertilised egg.

BigBananaDealer ,
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it is impossible that a fertilized egg can shed? i was under the impression that it may sometimes happen

NikkiDimes ,

(It happens frequently. Like more often then it doesn’t huehuehue)

boogetyboo ,
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What the fuck is going on with the down votes? Did you kids go to school???

boogetyboo ,
@boogetyboo@aussie.zone avatar

Fuck

Soulg ,

Yes we know what a period is, and it’s common for eggs to be flushed out after falling to implant.

gapbetweenus ,

Fun fact, there is quite more to learn about everything after school. School will provide you with rather abbreviated and often simplified version of scientific conses from around 50 years ago.

General_Effort ,

You have referenced forbidden knowledge. You are not supposed to talk about god doing abortions.

angrystego ,

I think you just didn’t word it clearly enough. Someone might read it as a woman getting pregnant from sex during period, which is not what you meant.

nutt_goblin ,

en.m.wikipedia.org/…/Implantation_(embryology))

Reproduction in humans is not very efficient. Only around 30% of natural conceptions result in successful pregnancies. Of the failed pregnancies around 85% are due to implantation failure.

Seems like it’s extremely normal for a fertilized egg to fail to implant and be flushed out during your next period.

boogetyboo ,
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Mate, are you just so confused with what is happening with the responses here? I’ve literally had an abortion; I’m pro choice. But there’s this random pile on of I’m assuming men, telling us what idiots we are.

gedaliyah , to news in Couples race to move frozen embryos out of Alabama after court defines them as children
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Sounds like transporting a minor across state lines

Zink ,

Well that’s a potential future news headline that I hadn’t imagined until just now. I can hardly wait to be horrified!

BritishDuffer ,

It turns out parents are allowed to take their children over state lines.

intensely_human ,

Yeah but frozen?

WindyRebel ,

Let it go. Let it go!

5too ,

I mean, if you thaw them without being ready for them, they die - so yeah, frozen.

TransplantedSconie , to news in Couples race to move frozen embryos out of Alabama after court defines them as children

Think of the potential tax wind fall these people could have! I’d knuckle shuffle up some “kids” and rake in the tax money.

TellusChaosovich ,

Unfortunately they made embryos children for the purposes of punishments, but let the bill die that would have made them dependents on taxes.

lolcatnip ,

What if we treat that bill as a person, too?

TransplantedSconie ,

Take it to court! They either have to decide this law is shit, or it forces the state to pay for them.

agitatedpotato ,

Well they cant be half children. Theyre either kids or not, Id claim them all and if they audit it, then it FORCES the government to involve themselves and set a precedent. If it’s a life, its certainly dependent on the clinic, claim them. Also if they’re truly considered lives, they are inherently entitled to all the rights the US offers living humans. A state tax bill can’t negate that, only dropping the clasification of being a living being can.

rambaroo ,

The history of this country proves that we have no issues with the blatant cognitive dissonance of declaring someone to only be a portion of a person.

agitatedpotato ,

And now there’s precedent on how that’s not legal. I still think its a worthwile challenge.

michaelmrose , to news in Couples race to move frozen embryos out of Alabama after court defines them as children

Isn’t the fact that the parents are in Alabama the more relevant than where the egg is. If there is a record of who owns the egg on the premises of an Alabama provider wherein it may be seized by the Alabama authorities it may be used to demand of the provider or parents an accounting of the disposition of the egg. If it has been destroyed and the information regarding its destruction is available to the provider in state (which would be normal) they can still be charged. Inability to account for it is suspicious in itself and parents could be held in contempt and forced to disclose.

intensely_human , to news in Couples race to move frozen embryos out of Alabama after court defines them as children

COUPLE ATTEMPTS TO SMUGGLE CHILDREN ACROSS STATE LINES

More at ten

FryHyde ,

Massive child trafficking ring brought down in Alabama. Governor to receive medal for outstanding achievement in law enforcement as 700 arrests are performed statewide.

Tremble , to news in Couples race to move frozen embryos out of Alabama after court defines them as children

This is a travesty. These people are engaging in blatant and obvious child trafficking

TengoDosVacas ,

I see what you did there

Dkarma ,

He did the Republican thing that they always do.

You know. Be bad people.

Tremble ,

Look here, pal!

I spent the first ten years of my childhood in Alabama living in a freezer! Do you have any idea what that’s like?

No hugs, no toys. A fucking freezer!

For ten years of my childhood!

Scubus ,

You think that’s bad? I literally stayed in my dad’s balls for a while.

MrShankles ,

Swimming in his pee as well‽

AnUnusualRelic , to news in Couples race to move frozen embryos out of Alabama after court defines them as children
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Shouldn’t they do that with actual children as well? Just to be safe?

echodot ,

Children are only important until they are born. After that’s happened they can work down the mines for all they care.

AnUnusualRelic ,
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I figured that their parents might care a wee bit.

RizzRustbolt , to news in Couples race to move frozen embryos out of Alabama after court defines them as children

What kind of monster submerges their child in liquid nitrogen?

hansl ,

Mine was just delivering pizza to… I. C. Weiner? Aw man…

TwinTusks ,
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Welcome, to the world of tomorrow!

Soulg ,

Shut up, Terry

General_Effort ,

Haven’t you heard of a little thing called showmanship?

ItsAFake ,

But you should see their cute little frozen faces!

Zibitee ,

They don’t all come back out alive either!

GreenPlasticSushiGrass , to news in Couples race to move frozen embryos out of Alabama after court defines them as children

I'm not messing with that soft paywall. Are they saying that parents who let their frozen embryos go bad in the freezer are guilty of murder or manslaughter?

NegativeInf ,

That’s one interpretation. The judge used religious logic in his ruling.

FenrirIII ,
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Fucking Christian whackos

Uranium3006 ,
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we need to get religion out of our society, it causes nothing but problems.

Daft_ish ,

You don’t understand. This old book told me all the answers to life’s mysteries. WoOoOooo it’s infallible.

God it would be funny/sad if someone found a copy of Mike Pences auto biography 10,000 years after some cataclysm destroyed society. Than they started worshiping it.

FuglyDuck ,
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WoOoOooo

You said it wrong. You failed your attempt at conversion.

Wololo. Wololo. Wololo.

Welcome to the Huns.

aniki ,

Why are my clothes red?

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

My dad was one of those jerks that would build 30-40 priests on an Econ build and then push with them when you decided to try and crack that nut,

Poof there goes your army.

Not that he really knew what an Econ build was, or any of the other things. But he’d play this “I don’t know what I’m doing” act and get away with it, (and he wasn’t good enough to deserve a feudal rush. Just… annoying.)

tryptaminev ,

These kind of “Christians” are about as christian as the people from Sodom.

That doesn’t make it right to fuck things up for everyone else.

FlyingSquid ,
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Sorry, that’s a no true Scotsman fallacy.

It doesn’t matter if they aren’t Christ-like. Many, many Christians, including clergy and even pontiffs have committed atrocities. They still worshiped Christ, making them Christians.

If we were to play it your way, the Crusaders weren’t Christians, the Spanish Inquisition weren’t Christians, the Conquistadors weren’t Christians, etc. I don’t think that’s what you intend, but that is the problem with suggesting people who are not Christlike are not Christians.

Otherwise, we need to invent a new religion and put a huge percentage of people from the last 2000 years who thought they were called Christians into it.

SaltySalamander ,
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If we were to play it your way, the Crusaders weren’t Christians, the Spanish Inquisition weren’t Christians, the Conquistadors weren’t Christians, etc

All of the above are Catholic, and the vast majority of Christians I know would agree that they aren't Christian.

FlyingSquid ,
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That is not only another No True Scotsman fallacy, it’s also anecdotal.

Catholics are undeniably Christians no matter what other Christians may think. Catholicism likely came before their sect anyway.

treefrog ,

That may be but the original point you seemed to make was broader.

I.e. you just moved the goal post because of the examples.

Are Prosperity Theology Christian’s not really Christian?

btw, the buddha wasn’t a buddhist, and christ wasn’t a christian. Let go of identity views and just do the next right thing.

The world is tribal enough.

PRUSSIA_x86 ,

Catholics are the OG Christians, despite what all the seething Protestants might tell you.

tryptaminev ,

Nope. That would be the orthodox christians you still find sprinkled around Palestine and Syria. The catholics are already roman “lets stabilize our empire with mixing religion and poltiics” brand of christians.

Flumpkin ,

They are fascists. Fascist christians vs christians.

tryptaminev ,

If you read the fallacy you’d realize that you fell into the false fallacy fallacy.

To quote your linked article:

No true Scotsman or appeal to purity is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect their generalized statement from a falsifying counterexample by excluding the counterexample improperly.[1][2][3] Rather than abandoning the falsified universal generalization or providing evidence that would disqualify the falsifying counterexample, a slightly modified generalization is constructed ad-hoc to definitionally exclude the undesirable specific case and similar counterexamples by appeal to rhetoric.

There is plenty of countries with a christian background and still majority christian population, that wouldn’t even think to discuss such absurd policies. American nutjobs cannot be considered to be representative of christianity as a whole. Much of their nutjobbery is specific to them.

FlyingSquid ,
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American nutjobs cannot be considered to be representative of christianity as a whole.

No one said they were. They aren’t. But they are Christians. That is their religion even if you don’t like that it is the same as yours.

tryptaminev ,

That is not the true scotsman fallacy though. I never said they aren’t Christians, i said that they are about as christian as, implying that they lack the qualities associated with it. Also i’m not a christian.

FlyingSquid ,
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I think you’re misremembering. You did say they aren’t Christians:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/2901409e-1ce1-40d8-8c87-cd8a43393a8d.png

BrokenGlepnir ,

I’ve been thinking of them as antichristian. Not as in against Christianity, but as in antichrist …ian. From what I’ve heard the whole idea of the antichrist is supposed to be that Christians love the guy even though the guy goes against all of the lessons of Jesus, but he does the performative stuff. That sounds like what I see there.

TengoDosVacas ,

Christianity is an evil ideology, and they are acting as christians.

TengoDosVacas ,

It is absolutely an evil ideology and shut be utterly abolished along with all Abrahamic religions. Fuck the Constitution; they got this one dead wrong

Scubus ,

*theistic religions

Believing that the flying spaghetti monster will solve all the worlds issues means you don’t function in society

TengoDosVacas ,

Sad that you have not been touched by His noodly appendage. Perhaps one day, Ramen

FuglyDuck ,
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to be fair, the (wrongful death*) lawsuit was because the hospital or wherever they were being stored at let the frozen embryos die off. It’s entirely reasonable to expect some kind of… protection… considering the reason for those to have been stored was so they might be able to have kids, etc.

*wrongful death is a bit much, mind you. But how far do you want to take the “guy beats a pregnant woman to kill the baby” types of charges? ultimately, I suspect, the issue here is that the religious nutjobs lack nuance. they see the world as black-and-white and can’t fathom a possibility where there were damages in this matter, but it wasn’t a “wrongful death” scenario.

Whattrees ,
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From what I’ve previously read the agency that had the frozen embryos did not let them die off, they stored them properly in an industrial freezer kept at far below 0 temps. The issue was a person who didn’t work at the clinic snuck into the room with the fridge, opened it and then dropped the embryos and ran away (the article said the assumption was because the containers were so cold he got freeze-burned). There might be a case here that they didn’t do enough to stop the individual, or check on them often enough, I don’t know enough details to know, but it doesn’t sound like they just simply didn’t care or didn’t store them properly.

States have long had laws against forcibly ending someone else’s pregnancy and those have stood up even before Roe died. It’s not usually on the level of murder/manslaughter, but at a minimum it’s been treated as a destruction of property. You don’t have to treat the embryo as a person to charge someone with aggravated battery or something similar.

The main issue here is the broadness of this ruling (besides the whole quoting the Bible thing) which equates embryos with full-human life. It won’t change a whole lot in this case, the families could have still sued for negligence or destruction of property, or any number of other civil remedies of this was denied, but now it’s laid the ground work to do much worse things in the future.

lolcatnip ,

How could it be battery if the embryos aren’t treated as people? Nobody was battered. No victim was even present.

FuglyDuck ,
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For the record, if we treat this more like a safety deposit box; the couple are the victims here.

It should probably be treated that way.

Their argument is because those embryos had potential to be human… they should be treated as human.

I don’t buy it, and it’s certainly not something that should establish the precedent that embryos=babies.

KairuByte ,
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So sue for property damage. Harvesting embryos is an expensive and painful process. Hell you could even sue for pain and suffering.

But wrongful death is just ridiculous.

FuglyDuck ,
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Gee, that’s…. More or less what I’m saying?

Whattrees ,
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Sorry for the confusion, the battery part of my reply was related to forcibly ending someone else’s pregnancy, which would have to involve some kind of battery unless it’s like poison or something, not related to the embryos in the freezer. There is no battery to those since they are not people.

FuglyDuck , (edited )
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Looking close, you’re right. Vandals got in.

I would suggest the facility was negligent in their security arrangements, as far as wrongful death (again, it’s a pretty dubious “if”, that it goes that far), it would be like somebody dying because the building wasn’t up to code when an arson came by.

My assumption is, though, that there’s a budget-rate warm body security guard; and between shit pay, shit training, shittier oversight… the guard couldn’t be arsed to care. (Alternatively, the guard was going to sell them for drug money.)

The good news for the facility… if their lawyers were any good in that contract they’d have gotten an indemnity clause and can pass that buck. (Liability is a bitch; and she hits hard. The security company will probably go poof unless they’re the size of G4S or Securitas)

In any case… personally, it doesn’t rise to wrongful death, but I can see a need for nuance. I would, personally, suggested the couple treat it as property, similar to a safety deposit box.

billiam0202 ,

The judge used religious logic religion in his ruling.

Ain’t no logic to be found there.

Scubus ,

Well it says here you are bread, and as such are guilty of cannibalism.

MonkderZweite , (edited )

Pretty sure personal beliefs which haven’t been proven should make the ruling invalid. He’s judge, not king.

Overzeetop ,

I don’t see how this isn’t prima facie evidence of a first amendment violation (presuming that the courts or state legislatures are bound by “Congress” being synonymous with “Government” as I believe it’s been interpreted)

notaviking , to news in Couples race to move frozen embryos out of Alabama after court defines them as children

Isn’t classifying a gamete, but only the female gamete (egg/ovum), and not the male gamete (sperm), of being “children” and has personhood rights, a form of sexist law. I know the Land of freedom is no rookie in taking away freedoms of the marginalized, almost the norm, but now they are taking away male gametes from being recognised as persons. Imagine in one ejaculation in Alabama and having a murder count similar to Stalin or Hitler. The court will show it was premeditated because the person bypassed state restrictions pulling out during copulation, the accused thus commited mass murder. This goes against Genesis 38 and it’s Devine condemnation of coitus interruptus. Even the egg was unfertilized thus another death of a person was committed by the accused pullout game

FlyingSquid ,
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Although- does that mean that ovulation is murder? Or, at the very least, manslaughter?

random9 ,

Your argument holds no weight against a group of people (the current republican supporters) who have repeatedly proven to be misogynistic assholes who gladly vote for a rapist.

Cruelty is the point of their actions, not the side-effect - pointing out to them that their actions are unjust has no effect when that was their goal from the start.

notaviking ,

My argument was not meant to hold weight, it was absurdist in its meaning by taking their arguments to the extreme and show its shortcomings. Trying to convince religious zealots that their religious reasonings is wrong is just going to make them double down and commit even more. That is why I make fun of their logic through comedy and hope even though I might not reach them I might put a smile on other open minded people.

cholesterol ,

Not trying to defend the ruling, but it’s not eggs, it’s embryos

AutistoMephisto ,
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I’ll need to do proper research, but to my understanding the embryo is an egg(ovum). I’m not sure at what point an ovum becomes an embryo, but I’m fairly certain it’s shortly after a sperm cell penetrates the outer layer and begins the mitosis.

cholesterol , (edited )

An embryo results from the fusion of an egg and a sperm (both are called ‘gametes’), and although the embryo is initially more reminiscent of an egg than a sperm, it is not itself an egg (or a sperm). The person I replied to is conflating eggs and embryos.

notaviking ,

So two gametes, male sperm and famale ovum, fuse to become a zygote or embryo. I just assumed their ruling meant the gametes because that is an ovum, and an embryo is a zygote

Akasazh ,
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Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great!

If a sperm gets wasted, god get quite irate

Quadhammer ,

coitus interruptus

Lol nice

ikidd , to news in Couples race to move frozen embryos out of Alabama after court defines them as children
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Anyone that’s taken by surprise by this never lived in Alabama anyway.

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