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picnic , to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project

So, I used ubuntu for pretty close to 20 years and it was my go to distro. I have had hundreds upon hundreds of servers running ubuntu.

Last few years I’ve been moving away from ubuntu because of their lack of respect for their core users. They have no clear vision and when they do, its a magnificently shitty one like the donkey balls decision to enfrorce snap on everything.

I will still have some ubuntu servers to take care of, but every new server I set up will be fedora.

Because fuck snaps, thats why

platypus_plumba ,

I had like 4 snaps installed in my system and it was hogging like 60Gb of storage. What the actual fuck.

I wish I kept the names of the dependencies, I just ran a command to remove all snaps and the snap itself.

Am I talking bullshit here? I saw my disk drop 60gb after I did that but I have no evidence.

alsaaas , (edited ) to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project
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snaps are a proprietary vendor-locked format, the only redeeming quality is being able to run them in cli (once Flatpak get that too, there is no valid reason for snaps to exist).

I just find it midly infuriating (if that even is a thing, meaning I hate it but it’s not that significant for me to distro hop on my work laptop) to have two “universal” package formats on my system with Canonical shoving the objectively worse one (from a free/libre pov) down my throat…

ReCursing ,
@ReCursing@kbin.social avatar

I've used flatpak only once, but I am pretty sure I ran it through the cli. Did I imagine that? i might have imagined that, it was a while ago

alsaaas ,
@alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

no you didn’t, you can install flatpak using the terminal but iirc flatpak are mostly made with GUI applications in mind, while snaps support installing command line utils quite well

ReCursing ,
@ReCursing@kbin.social avatar

Ah, fair enough, probbaly me misremembering then

Samueru ,

(once Flatpak get that too, there is no valid reason for snaps to exist).

They said they will not fix it due to “security concerns”

bjoern_tantau , to mildlyinfuriating in The Duration Time on this Cookie...
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I guess they are not using php.

First time I encountered a Y2038 bug in the wild. And apparently they still did not fix it for some inane reason.

Moonrise2473 ,

There’s a long time to 2038, we can start to find solutions around the years 2026-2037

fruitycoder , (edited ) to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project

Nix, guix, flatpak, and OSI images are all better “universal” packages managers on sheer technical merits while also not be a vendor locked proprietary solution.

Snaps are worse than what Redhat is doing.

dream_weasel ,

Sheer* probably. Unless there a technical merit about cutting stuff.

fruitycoder ,

Thx!

dream_weasel ,

Np. We programmer types gotta help each other keep docs sharp ;)

Fal ,
@Fal@yiffit.net avatar

Also than*

fruitycoder ,

MR accepted. Thx!

jaromil , to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project
@jaromil@fed.dyne.org avatar

why depict RMS this way

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

They forgot the halo.

kn0wmad1c , to lemmyshitpost in Ideas
@kn0wmad1c@programming.dev avatar

The thing on the bottom is called Neopolitan, not Napolean. F-tier meme

Track_Shovel OP ,
Kusimulkku ,

Tricolor I’ve heard

Mio , to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project

I don’t really see a problem with a snaps/flatpaks as long as they are not on application I use every day.

But maybe it is easier if we have one standard instead of two.

ForgotAboutDre ,

Multiple standards are good, initially. Multiple visions and approaches can get tested. The best hopefully displaced the rest, whilst picking up all the other good ideas.

If there was only one standard we would get stuck with snaps with no alternatives.

Mio ,

I look at this from the developers perspective. Only need to learn one is good.

harry315 , to lemmyshitpost in Ideas

In germany this is even more of a shitpost, caue we only know this as Fürst Pückler ice cream sandwich, and not Napoleon

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Still not over the HRE, huh?

Well, as long as no one starts talking about Version #4

harry315 ,

Oh people are for sure. Our far-right party “AfD” functioneers aren’t publicly naming it, but everyone clearly knows they’re having wet dreams about their “fourth Reich”.

Holzkohlen ,

While simultaneously being literal spies for China and Russia. And they call themselves patriots. In a movie, I’d call this whole plot unbelievable and dumb.

muntedcrocodile , to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project

I mean I used to used to use Ubuntu for my server now I use Debian cos fuck snaps.

cyborganism ,

Ow! My brain!

Ensign_Crab ,

So I didn’t realize that the snaps logo is an origami bird.

“It was like a piece of self-opening origami, or a rosebud blooming into a rose in just a few seconds. Where just a few moments earlier there had been a smoothly curved black disk, there was now a bird. A bird, hovering there.” - Douglas Adams, describing the Hitchhiker’s Guide, Mk. II, from Mostly Harmless.

A bit on the nose there, Canonical.

possiblylinux127 ,

The other day I tested Ubuntu just to see if it had gotten any better. It has become worse.

barsquid ,

Same, I used to always pick Ubuntu to spin up servers. Now I pick it never.

Andromxda ,
@Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Same, Debian is the way to go (for servers, I can’t stand it on desktop)

RustyNova , to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project

I hate snaps, but NextCloud snap is way easier to than the other methods, so it gets a pass… Only one

possiblylinux127 ,

Over docker compose? You just apply the file and you are good to go.

RustyNova ,

You still need to install NextCloud next. Then if you are on a home lab you’ll probably need a reverse proxy too

On Ubuntu it’s just install > go to config > whitelist all urls

rtxn , to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project

successful project

That is a very biased claim. It’s like saying that the PS5 is the most successful gaming platform because God Of War: Ragnarök and Ghost Of Tsushima players prefer it over Xbox and PC.

starman2112 ,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

Did they say it’s the most successful project? Because Sony saying that the PS5 is a successful platform because players prefer it over other options doesn’t seem biased at all. It’s just an objective statement of fact

tsugu OP ,
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If you go to snapcraft.io, you can see snap being installed on many other distributions other than Ubuntu. It will not show you the exact numbers, but people willingly install it on their machines. I think that’s successful.

rtxn , (edited )

I don’t think “there exists an unknown number of non-Ubuntu machines with snap installed” is a valid metric when the general sentiment seems to be apathy. It’s popular for the same reason Internet Explorer was popular – it’s forcibly installed with the default OS.

If the numbers were favorable, Canonical would release them.

tsugu OP ,
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What is the “general sentiment” tho? Sure, on Lemmy and Reddit communities I usually see people hate Snaps, but that’s just a few thousands of people. Another metric of success could be developers maintaining their software as snaps. You will find that quite a lot of them do so.

rtxn ,

I said “apathy”, not “negative”. The people who dislike snap have likely moved to other distributions, and I don’t see any widespread praise considering Ubuntu’s market share within the Linux ecosystem, so the most likely answer is that people either don’t know or don’t care about snap.

Whether or not an application is packaged as a snap is also a poor indication. Most of the software used in Ubuntu still comes from an APT repo, mostly official or sometimes a PPA. Many developers distribute their software exclusively as flatpaks, appimages, or binaries. Shit, Valve even recommends against using the snap version of Steam. By using your standard, snap would be considered an abject failure.

Rustmilian , (edited )
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Snap doesn’t really even have as many applications packaged as people think. Snap’s package count is often touted as being much higher than Flatpak’s. However, this is misleading, as Snap allows the inclusion of many command-line interface (CLI) only packages that aren’t well-suited for containerization.
The inclusion of these CLI-only packages drastically inflates Snap’s overall package count, while Flatpak does not include as many standalone CLI tools.
Furthermore, packaging CLI tools as Snap or Flatpak packages doesn’t really make much sense. A huge amount of CLI tools were never intended to be used inside a containerized environment like Snap. As a result, there will likely be compatibility issues and unsupported edge cases.
Additionally, there are already established universal packaging standards for CLI tools, such as Nix and Homebrew. These packaging systems are better suited for distributing standalone CLI applications compared to containerized formats like Snap and Flatpak.

Mio , to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project

When Mozilla provide the firefox deb package - Why not give it then? IMO snaps/flatpacks are slower to start, can’t be updated while running, takes more diskspace, and takes longer time to update. With the isolation we also have different kind of problems - have you given it the correct permission?, and how do you get keepassxc browser extension to work with it(they dont support it)?

Rustmilian , (edited ) to linuxmemes in I respect people who don't like snaps, but Canonical will not abandon a successful project
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It’s not that successful if the userbase hates it and would rather use a competitor.

friend_of_satan ,

For me it was a successful deterrent. Debian bookworm has been wonderful.

Whayle ,

I installed mint on my second PC, and it's great. I feel like migrating my main, but I'm not sure it would go smoothly. I've had a lot of issues with my four months old Ubuntu install, lately the keyboard is nonfunctional at the login screen about half the time. Snaps are another reason making me want to leave it behind.

Zink ,

I found out I could dual boot Linux at work and went right for Mint. I think it’s great. It’s a nice pragmatic choice for people like me who love using Linux and are constantly in a bash prompt, but who don’t want to build up a system from scratch and who are fine not running the very latest.

It’s even downstream from some of the most popular distros out there, but without Canonical’s controversial shit.

TimeSquirrel ,
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Yeah I love it, Debian feels like opening a featureless gray box that just says "OS" on the front. Add whatever you want. A blank canvas. It's as close to "generic" Linux as you can get.

Tebbie , to lemmyshitpost in I am the thing that goes *thump* 'Fuck!' in the night

Might as well extend the steps so that they touch each other. It would no longer have a platform there, but it would be easier to climb. You would have a step ledge, but it’s already a crap situation.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/6c74616c-53e3-4cea-997b-c2fe0f7770cd.png

RGB3x3 ,

Fuck it, make it a smooth funnel

BubbleMonkey ,

I mean personally I fail to see how this whole… thing… is better than like… adding a half inch or whatever to each of the stair rises in the flight on the way up… as long as it doesn’t surpass 7 3/4 inch per-stair rise, which I imagine this doesn’t come close to just by the way it looks, you could probably kill a lot of that weirdness with just super basic alterations…

No, I think this hazard was a conscious decision, or at least the architect who drew it up sucks.

I’m surprised it meets code tho, tbh. This is just begging someone to tumble down the stairs in the middle of the night.

AA5B ,

Could even be caused by code - complying with current code only applies to things you change.

For example, maybe the stairs were in a bad place so someone moved them (I briefly considered that). Now the stairs need to comply with code, such as maximum steepness. How do you make that fit? The right way probably involves expensive structural mods (or having just said no), so this is the contractor making it fit “affordable”

Chocrates ,

You don’t want to change the height of stairs

ATDA ,

A dollar says your sketch is the first drawn plan of this project.

Furbag ,

You would have a step ledge

What are you doing step ledge? 🤭

eighty , to lemmyshitpost in Ideas

For the sake of the meme, I will out myself and say that I’ve been confusing Napoleon and Neapolitan for all my life. I feel seen.

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