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big_slap , to games in Phil Spencer wants Epic Games Store and others on Xbox consoles

my steam library on my xbox, yes please 🙏

atocci ,
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Can Win32 programs run on the xbox? I know there's Edge, but iirc, that's packaged in some unique way.

cyberpunk007 ,

I thought all xboxes were x86 hardware running some variant of windows under the hood?

Edit:

“The Xbox system software is the operating system developed exclusively for Microsoft’s Xbox home video game consoles.[1] Across the four generations of Xbox consoles, the software has been based on a version of Microsoft Windows”

"Though initial iterations of the software for the original Xbox and Xbox 360 were based on heavily modified versions of Windows, the newer consoles feature operating systems that are highly compatible with Microsoft’s desktop operating systems, allowing for shared applications and ease-of-development between personal computers and the Xbox line. "

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_system_software

altima_neo ,
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Just slap proton on there

atocci ,
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I'm pretty sure the shared applications it's referring to there are UWP apps, which use a different set of APIs to traditional Win32 apps that are only available on full Windows versions. I looked into how Edge works a bit more, and it sounds like Microsoft made a special translation layer to take Edge's Win32 API calls and turn them into UWP ones. I guess games would be possible to run like this too?

Chainweasel , to games in Phil Spencer wants Epic Games Store and others on Xbox consoles

The Series X would make a great Steambox

Desistance ,
@Desistance@lemmy.world avatar

Indeed. I’ll definitely consider buying one if I can turn it into a Steam box.

aluminium , to games in Phil Spencer wants Epic Games Store and others on Xbox consoles

Might as well allow me to install a other OS at this point

VindictiveJudge ,
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Playstation let you do that for a while.

nasi_goreng ,
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I remember Linux for PlayStation 2 back in the days.

dandroid , to games in Phil Spencer wants Epic Games Store and others on Xbox consoles

Yeah, well I want game pass on Steam and Linux, but we can’t get everything we want, Phil.

narrowscoped ,

I think it’s gonna get there very soon. Steam on Xbox, and also Xbox on steam deck.

The only issue with the latter is Valve is using proton translation to bypass windows and make their own thing, it’s a tremendously grey area that Microsoft has said NOTHING about, only because Steam is legit and game sale money go to publishers.

Imagine if Yuzu was legit and game sales still went to nintendo or 3rd parties, the tech behind proton and yuzu nce aren’t dissimilar!

HKayn ,
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How is Valve using Proton a grey area?

Mini_Moonpie ,

I’m guessing that they don’t mean a legally grey area. I think they probably mean it’s a grey area for Microsoft because Proton helps people get around needing Windows to play games made for Windows and Microsoft has an interest in keeping people on their OS.

xavier666 ,

Proton should be called PINE instead because PINE Is Not an Emulator.

istanbullu , to gaming in A handheld Xbox? Microsoft’s gaming chief can’t stop thinking about it

The success of Steam Deck is the reason.

lorty , to games in Phil Spencer wants Epic Games Store and others on Xbox consoles
@lorty@lemmy.ml avatar

And how much of a cut would you be taking Phil?

just_another_person , to technology in Discord wants to void your right to sue them in court — but you can opt out of the practice

Funny thing is, EULA agreements like this have already been shot down in so many cases, it’s dumb at this point to try and pull this off. They’re just trying to test if anyone will actually pull the trigger on a class action.

Chozo ,

They're just trying to test if anyone will actually pull the trigger on a class action.

What would be the benefit to such a move?

Kolanaki ,
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Thirty-seven cents for every Discord user.

just_another_person ,

Groundwork for “the next step”, which is expecting zero privacy, and all your messages are sold. Mark me.

darreninthenet ,
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But even so they costs the companies involved millions, they wouldn’t want to be dragged through one

CertifiedBlackGuy ,

Yeah, not sure why folks care

I can sue discord and there’s nothing their EULA can do to stop me.

God bless our right to litigate*

*terms and conditions apply: enough money to win in a battle of attrition

Vendul , to technology in Discord wants to void your right to sue them in court — but you can opt out of the practice

Go ahead, give Discord your address

DacoTaco ,
@DacoTaco@lemmy.world avatar

It already has anyway. Ive requested my discord data once and everytime you do anything in discord it explicitly saves and stores the location of where you were when you interacted with discord.

Vendul ,

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  • 5too ,

    Straight to victim blaming?

    CosmicCleric ,
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    Ive requested my discord data once and everytime you do anything in discord it explicitly saves and stores

    Curious as to if you saw your phone number in that data?

    I ask, because of this.

    DacoTaco ,
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    I no longer have the data on my machine so i cant verify anymore unless i request my data again. However, i remember a discord server im in, enabled that accounts in the server needed to be phone number verified if they wanted to chat. This was done to combat spammers and trolls. i told them to bugger off because im not giving discord my phone number. So its possible my phone number was not in there, but knowing discord it could have been

    geography082 , to technology in Discord wants to void your right to sue them in court — but you can opt out of the practice

    So we are caring about privacy but that polygon site is a massive scrapper

    huginn , (edited )

    It’s a massive scrapper?

    Like it engages in scrappy flights? I guess that’s one way to frame fighting with discord but I’d personally see them as fairly comparable weight classes.

    Or did you mean scraper like vacuuming up data* off of everyone who visits?

    Ashelyn ,

    Vacuuming up days?

    Like it sucks time from your life, siphoning precious time out from your life without even realizing it? I guess that’s one way to frame browsing Polygon but I’d personally view it as a pretty tame example compared to sites like YouTube or Lemmy.

    Or did you mean data like the site is harvesting information off your service when you click the link?

    huginn ,

    Typo; vacuuming up data.

    Ducking autocorrect

    Ashelyn ,

    I was just poking a bit of fun, because there’s a good chance it was an autocorrect typo for the original commenter too :p

    admin ,
    @admin@lemmy.my-box.dev avatar

    Any particular reason for this whataboutism that makes it stand out from the average website?

    HotsauceHurricane , to technology in Discord wants to void your right to sue them in court — but you can opt out of the practice

    I just deleted my account & it solved all my discord problems.

    agency_cookie_penalty ,

    It’s cute you think deleting your account means they’ve removed your user and information from their servers.

    cosmicrookie ,
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    Id assume one could have them do that if they lived in EU

    HotsauceHurricane ,

    Im considering the info i gave them as lost to discord. But now I’m not giving them more.

    sugar_in_your_tea ,

    What does that have to do with forced arbitration agreements?

    agency_cookie_penalty ,

    Because deleting your account doesn’t solve all your problems. It’s a solid bet still have all your information and data, which can be monetized, stolen or otherwise abused. And mentioned in article iirc, there is a current class action from parents about lack of protection for minors.

    sugar_in_your_tea ,

    I don’t know what all the problems you have are.

    Discord has had a perpetual license grant for as long as I remember, so deleting your account would have no expectation of the data you’ve submitted being removed. It’s the same idea as Reddit and most social media, when you submit content, but remains yours, but you grant them a license to it forever. With some you grant copyright as well, but that doesn’t appear to be the case with Discord.

    If your issue was them profiting from your content, that has been a problem probably since day 1, and this TOS update doesn’t change that. If your problem is with arbitration (e.g. you’d want to be a part of a class action lawsuit), then deleting your account signals to them that this change isn’t okay.

    Donut , to technology in Discord wants to void your right to sue them in court — but you can opt out of the practice

    *For US users

    EU users are already protected so this doesn’t apply to them.

    alexsup21 ,

    Common W for the EU

    cosmicrookie ,
    @cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

    Its amazing that a company in the US can simply demand that if you use their services you have to agree not to sue them. Its one of the only reasons anyone could or would sue them!

    tearsintherain ,
    @tearsintherain@leminal.space avatar

    Don’t forget the use of mandatory employment arbitration which effectively reduces workers rights by not allowing them a right to legal action.

    cosmicrookie ,
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    wow! and they think people don’t want to work!

    chiliedogg ,

    Just tacking on to your comment for any US workers:

    Just because you can’t sue for your rights doesn’t mean nobody can. The government is often perfectly happy to sue on your behalf to recover lost wages or to punish workplace health and safety violations.

    randint ,
    @randint@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz avatar

    bUt wE aLsO wAiVE tHe rIgHT to SuE yOu! says the company who doesn’t stand to gain anything from suing its users

    MonkderDritte , to technology in Discord wants to void your right to sue them in court — but you can opt out of the practice

    Companies can do that in US? Sounds like a loophole…

    MashedTech ,

    There are many, we’re just oblivious because it doesn’t affect us in our day to day lives. I’m sure there are loopholes in the EU as well.

    MonkderDritte ,

    I’m sure there are loopholes in the EU as well.

    Sure, yeah.

    mp3 ,
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    Welcome to the corpocracy and the land of the fee.

    800XL , to technology in Discord wants to void your right to sue them in court — but you can opt out of the practice

    Everyone calm down. They’re just going to use it for training AI and if you love tech you love AI. So this is a non-issue.

    The trained AI will make their public offering so much more desirable

    unreasonabro ,

    unmarked sarcasm whooshes even the mighty users of Lemmy, apparently

    Kedly ,

    tbf it was sarcasm so dry it might even trick a British person! xD

    Mango ,

    It was so on the nose and wet that my dog could relate.

    Kedly ,

    You clearly have not dealt with stupid people in your lifetime then

    Mango ,

    Honestly, I think I have a serious problem with giving people the benefit of the doubt too much.

    Kedly ,

    Thats a mood tbh

    unreasonabro ,

    lol no shit right

    it splashed when it hit

    learn to fuckin read, guys

    CosmicCleric ,
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    unmarked sarcasm whooshes even the mighty users of Lemmy, apparently

    The key presses ‘/’ and ‘s’ (in that order) would solve that problem.

    sugar_in_your_tea ,

    Nah, that’s akin to explaining the joke. Well crafted sarcasm needs no callout.

    CosmicCleric , (edited )
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    unmarked sarcasm whooshes even the mighty users of Lemmy, apparently

    The key presses ‘/’ and ‘s’ (in that order) would solve that problem.

    Nah, that’s akin to explaining the joke. Well crafted sarcasm needs no callout.

    Nah, its just signaling that in fact it is a joke in the first place. And the callout doesn’t happen until the very end, after everything else has already been read, and processed.

    Sarcasm can be overly crafted to be indistinguishable from non-sarcasm.

    https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en

    sugar_in_your_tea ,

    Nah, it’s much more fun to tease the people who don’t get it. 😉

    CosmicCleric , (edited )
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    Even more fun to chastise someone. 😇

    https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en

    unreasonabro ,

    learning to fucking read would solve it better

    CosmicCleric , (edited )
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    Mastengwe , to technology in Discord wants to void your right to sue them in court — but you can opt out of the practice

    Just opt out of discord. It’s a lot easier.

    Blackmist ,

    OK, but my raid leader is going to have to shout a lot louder than that if I’m going to hear him from the Netherlands.

    CosmicCleric ,
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    OK, but my raid leader is going to have to shout a lot louder than that if I’m going to hear him from the Netherlands.

    Yeah, market share is a bitch.

    ILikeBoobies ,

    Be your own leader, recruit people into a separate channel

    sugar_in_your_tea ,

    Nah, just get a pair of cups and a really long string.

    Appoxo , (edited )
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Who keeps the string under tension on the ocean, huh? /s

    sugar_in_your_tea ,

    That’s why each team has a support.

    Chakravanti ,

    Session

    obinice , to technology in Discord wants to void your right to sue them in court — but you can opt out of the practice
    @obinice@lemmy.world avatar

    …in the USA. Doesn’t affect us over the pond, but very important for USA users to take note.

    CosmicCleric ,
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    …in the USA. Doesn’t affect us over the pond, but very important for USA users to take note.

    Really appreciate you guys over there keeping up the pressure on corporations to act ethically/ accordingly.

    Here’s hoping some of that splash back happens over here.

    Gabu ,

    High five for unalienable rights

    BrownianMotion ,
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    Came to say this. Here in the AU you cannot exclude certain things, this being one of them. They can write it all they like into the TOS, but cannot be enforced. There are many examples, but basically no TOS/Warranty/T&C can exclude or explicitly deny any rights you have or laws that protect you.

    Similar to warranty here. Many companies like to put “limited liability” and 30 day warranty. But in AU, the warranty has to fall within our laws. (for example Samsung saying warranty on a $5000 TV is 2 years. Well in AU if the tv is that expensive, you have the right to claim warranty on manufacturing failure for at least 5 years.) Many items we buy here, have an “Australia only warranty amendment page” stuffed in the box!

    mitrosus ,

    Shows how much been biased countrywise the posts are. And internet in general.

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